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  1. 19 points
    INVERSE DEAD POOL 2020 Another new year arrives, and with that comes another round of reckoning the lingering prowess of the DDP's most popular selections. Of the 16 expiries throughout 2019, drol only selected 3 and notched his second win in the process. Rules From the list of the 50 most popular DDP picks of 2020, pick a team of 25 names who you think will survive the year. Rank your list in order of least likely to die to most likely to die. Post your team in this thread. If someone dies and they are listed on your team, then you will receive points according to their position. If your #1 pick dies you'll receive 25 points, whilst if your #25 pick dies you'll receive 1 point. If someone dies and they are not on your list, then you receive no points. In case one of the names available for entry dies before the submission deadline, you are allowed to have one sub. The sub can be anyone from the top 50 or the 51st most popular name, who will be revealed alongside the top 50. The 51st name can not be part of the original 25 if no one dies. In the case of one of your original team dying pre-deadline, the sub goes into 25th place by default, but if the sub was previously the 51st, you are allowed to change the position of the new pick. If the above scenario happens, you are also allowed to name a new sub and I will reveal the 52nd most popular name. Whoever has the lowest score at the end of the year is the winner. If two or more teams are tied at the end of the year, the tie will first be decided by who has less hits. If they have an equal amount of hits, then whoever among the teams died latest in the year, and thus came closest to being a correct prediction, will decide the winner. If said name was on multiple teams in the tie, whoever had said name lowest will win. If multiple teams had said name in the same position, the second most recently-deceased name will be referred to, and so on, until a winner is found. If, by some alignment of the stars, the tie is of either no hits or of all of the exact same hits in the exact same positions, all teams in the tie share victory. Credit to Toast for inadvertently coming up with a peach of a topic description, and of course, credit to Spade for creating this wonderful game. Credit to Dead Cow for his job as previous host, laying the framework for the Inverse Dead Pool's OP, and the idea for a "dies during entry period" rule. Credit to machotrouts for the suggestion of the latest hits factoring into tiebreakers. Previous Winners 2019 - drol 2018 - machotrouts 2017 - drol 2016 - Pedro67 2015 - Death Impends 2014 - Bibliogryphon 2013 - N/A 2012 - Esturian Float 2011 - Garn2 Top 50 George Alagiah John Andretti Frankie Banali Bob Barker Susan Bayh Pope Benedict XVI June Brown Jimmy Carter Billy Connolly Olivia de Havilland Bob Dole Chris Doleman Kirk Douglas Queen Elizabeth II Paul Gascoigne Jill Gascoine Greg Gilbert Ruth Bader Ginsburg Mikhail Gorbachev Jimmy Greaves David Gulpilil Rolf Harris Terry Jones Lee Kerslake Henry Kissinger Angela Lansbury John Lewis Vera Lynn Stirling Moss Olivia Newton-John Linda Nolan Genesis P-Orridge Prince Philip Leslie Phillips Little Richard Michael Robinson Yoo Sang-Chul Prunella Scales Tom Smith Pat Smullen Leon Spinks Nobby Stiles Alex Trebek Jean-Louis Trintignant Bill Turnbull Dick Van Dyke Gianluca Vialli Doddie Weir Betty White Barbara Windsor #51 Sam Lloyd
  2. 17 points
    Come on, is this ‘Bring your parents to DeathList day’? Cunts.
  3. 15 points
    I am not the Duke of Edinburgh. Please desist from spreading unfounded rumours.
  4. 15 points
    Probably the guy who has to merge this thread into Suicidal Celebs....
  5. 14 points
    I'm not surprised, stupid place to stand.
  6. 14 points
    Her friend isn't looking great...
  7. 13 points
    Alright guys. I've noticed that nobody has appeared to continue the cup for action in 2020. I couldn't let this behemoth of a dead pool die by the wayside, so I've decided to step up to the plate and host the Deathlist Cup in 2020. I do plan to be an interim host, and hopefully we can find someone willing to host this long term starting in 2021, but for now, the cup is safe for another year. See you around after the new year...
  8. 13 points
    New neighbour! I'd never seen a wild hedgehog alive until Sunday. Now it's a nightly routine to leave food out for these 3 wee guys. Tonight the two older ones were angrily snorting at each other for about half an hour. Friggin adorable.
  9. 12 points
    17-year-old on your Derby Dead Pool team? Disgusting. Depraved. Consider psychiatric help you fucking freak. Absolutely no place for that kind of sick fucking shit here. 18-year-old on your Derby Dead Pool team? MAXIMUM POINTS, BABY! YEAH! WORTH FOUR SUPERCENTENARIANS! SNATCH THOSE 12 POINTS OUT OF THAT DEAD TEEN ASS! CHECK OUT THE SIZE OF THESE HOT YOUNG TUMOURS! ALL GROWN UP!
  10. 12 points
    DDP latest (in terms of being open and try and stop the annual "whens the update? Its 3rd January already!" moaners): Grim has been going through all the new celebrities added in 2020. There was 300 on the database from the pre-Christmas period, and another 620 to process of which 154 were dealt with today. This includes checking to see if they are actually alive first - more difficult than it looks for some of the obscure sods chosen! Once added to the big excel thing, me and Reptile have been going through that and actually adding the information to each name. Gender, DOB, are they alive, descriptions, etc, that sort of thing. Again, some folk (Jim Steinman) are easier to cover than others (some random Princess of no place, Europe...). Work is moving steadily onwards.
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  12. 12 points
    Thanks to Spade for his exceptional running of the game in the last couple of years and thanks to everyone else who has contributed in the 5 years or so that I have been participating. I have decided not to field a team in next year's DDP and to stop (or at least dramatically reduce) my interest in deathlisting for the forseeable future. I have had a couple of great sadnesses in my life in the last couple of weeks. Firstly my dog died after an operation. The short story was that he had an operation for a liver problem which went well initially but after about a day he developed serious complications from which he could not recover. I am absolutely heartbroken. He was only 17 months old and he was my best friend. A few days later my uncle committed suicide. He had some very very serious health problems in 2017 and was in hospital for some months. At a few points he wasn't expected to live but he pulled through and then lived with my wife and I for about 6 months afterwards. He had become low dealing with the after-effects of his illness and trying to cope with financial and residential insecurity at the age of 64. After these events I have no interest in taking even the smallest amount of joy, pride, or satisfaction out of anyone's death. I don't feel like spending the last few hours of 2019 trawling the internet to see who might not see out 2020. I want to spend that time watching cricket, playing bridge and training my new puppy. I still understand the interest in deathlisting and I certainly do not want to diminish anyone else's enjoyment of the game, I just know that it is not for me at the moment. Good luck to everyone in the various deadpools. I will probably check back in time to time-I'll certainly be interested to see who makes the 2020 list and I'll pop back in to congratulate 2019's very worthy DDP champion. Thanks to everyone who has helped me enjoy the site and especially to those who spend their spare time to make it all possible. Kindest Regards Dr T
  13. 12 points
    @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper @The Quim Reaper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    BELOVED FORUM POSTER DIES 11/50 6th September 2019 Robert Mugabe, best known for his many years of insightful posts on Deathlist forums, has sadly died at 95 to give another crowdsource score. He was a familiar and loved figure on the forums, with his wit, anti-racism posts, and long friendship with Deathray who recently married Neil Kinnock’s Welsh Constituency. He also had a bit of a tenuous relationship with your crowdsource host, but you can't please everyone. In these sad Post Hein days, this is the first time we’ve had 100% confirmation of the death of a Deathlist poster, since the death of forum admin Paul Bearer in 2013. Mugabe will be fondly remembered by all fans of his Swingtime Band. PS It has just reached us that Robert Mugabe was in fact a mass murdering embezzling dictator who ran roughshod over his own people for nearly 40 years. The things that people can get away with, while pretending to be a friendly member of the online community, never cease to shock. Side note: apart from a few minor tweaks this obit was the work of msc, not me. Since he clearly wanted this obit published for the longest time and I did one of his obits for Stan Lee back in 2018, I decided to give him one obit. Now I'm waiting for the why are you so racist comments...
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  17. 12 points
    Like every summer, I'm going to Poland with my family. This time for about 2 and 1/2 weeks. Right in time for my 18th birthday too, me and my friend over there got big plans. My flight leaves tomorrow - Saturday - from Chicago O'Hare at 17:25 to Warsaw (LO 2), and I have an hour layover there before I land in Rzeszów (LO 3809) at 11:30 local time Sunday. That info of course being for Cat in case he wants to track. I get back on August 1st. Don't think I'll be visiting the forums during my vacation. ABC title defense team already submitted. So this is goodbye for now.
  18. 11 points
    Random picture of Derby. Entries for the 2020 Derby Dead Pool are now open! Emails appear to be very slow sending out, if you haven't received one by, idk, tomorrow, let the Cmme know. I'll let our other members introduce themselves below, especially as they are doing the Data Entry bit, so you can shower them with bribes and likes... Rules are as before, but The Herald newspaper returns as a Qualifying Obit. As do the ITV local pages, which weren't already one on the 2019 list.
  19. 11 points
    I've done this as a separate topic from the Time Added thread, because the Time Added thread is very catch-all, as a football thread will be. I can only go by the English Football League, as I don't have access to the Scottish records, but hopefully someone can copy and paste the Scottish only players for reference here. There are a number of people definitely alive and they come in the first set of information. Of those that I'm not certain of, there will definitely be some alive but there's no report recently on them to confirm that, or no general "oldest player" posts or snippets on the web. Barry Hugman's Footballers was the backup source for the list and basically it's been going through Google, BHF, UK and Ireland Family Records, Scottish Death Indexes and Probate searches to eliminate other possibilities. Some footballers I couldn't find death records for but when some clubs have gone "such and such is our oldest player" then it's made life easier. Hopefully having this will actually help confirm some others off the list. The likelihood is that the top four are indeed the oldest four, but you never know... So here, you go; DEFINITELY (OR ALMOST CERTAINLY BELIEVED TO BE) ALIVE: First Name Surname DoB Clubs Arthur Smith 08/05/1915 Bury, Leicester City William Simpson 02/10/1919 Carlisle, Tottenham wrexham, Rochdale, Blackpool Alf Patrick 25/09/1921 York Jack Vitty 19/01/1923 Workington, Brighton, Charlton, Boldon Villa Reg Harrison 22/05/1923 Derby County, Boston U Bob Gray 14/12/1923 Gateshead, Newcastle Albert Bateman 13/06/1924 Huddersfield, Yorkshire Iron and Steel Eric Dale 06/07/1924 Shrewsbury, Irlam Daniel Flanagan 24/11/1924 Manchester City, Bradford, Notts County Walter Jones 04/04/1925 Blackpool, York, Grimsby, Doncaster John Watling 11/05/1925 Bristol Rovers Jock Aird 18/02/1926 Burnley, Scotland Tony Collins 19/03/1926 Crystal P, Watford, Rochdale, Torquay, Norwich, York, Sheff W Trevor Hitchen 25/09/1926 Southport, Wigan, Oldham, Notts Cty, Wellington, Halifax Bill Holmes 29/10/1926 Southport, Morecambe, Bradford C, Blackburn, Wolves, Doncaster Sam Burton 10/11/1926 Swindon George Derek Holt Hawksworth 28/02/1927 16/07/1927 Halifax Bradford, Lincoln, Huddersfield, Sheffield United Charlie Heffron 13/08/1927 Bradford PA, Belfast Celtic Gordon Astall 22/09/1927 Birmingham, Torquay, Plymouth, Southampton Frank O'Farrell 09/10/1927 Preston, West Ham Sid Watson 12/12/1927 Mansfield Town Jimmy Billy Elder Murphy 05/03/1928 22/03/1928 Portsmouth, Colchester, Yeovil Bristol Rovers, Exeter, Stirling Albion Derek Ufton 31/05/1928 Charlton, England Dick Taylor 21/08/1928 Southport, Everton Con Sullivan 22/08/1928 Arsenal, Bristol City, Horfield Tommy Docherty 24/08/1928 Arsenal, Chelsea, Scotland Harry Jarvis 08/10/1928 Notts County, Worksop Cecil Steeds 11/01/1929 Bristol City, Bristol Rovers Joe Boyden 12/02/1929 Walsall John Core 29/03/1929 Halifax Len Fletcher 28/04/1929 Ipswich, RAF Didcot Don Gibson 12/05/1929 Leyton O, Sheff W, Man U Ron Baynham 10/06/1929 Luton, England Polly Ward 15/06/1929 Bradford PA, Bradford C, Kings Lynn Roy Killin 18/07/1929 Lincoln, Man U Eddie McLaren 08/09/1929 Reading, Blackpool Terry Robinson 08/11/1929 Brentford, Northampton, England Amateur Maurice Leather 09/11/1929 Portsmouth Tommy Banks 10/11/1929 Bolton, England Ron Harbertson 23/12/1929 Lincoln, Darlington, Wrexham, Grimsby, Bradford, Brighton, Newcastle Ron Phoenix 30/06/1929 Rochdale, Man City PROBABLY ALIVE First Name John Graham Surname Lavery Bailey DoB 24/11/1919 22/03/1920 Clubs Halifax, Bradford City Huddersfield, Sheffield United Google alive 2016? alive 2019? Maurice Leslie 19/08/1923 Swindon, India, 53rd infantry division alive 2011 Tom Docherty 15/04/1924 Norwich, Lincoln, Reading, Newport County alive in 2010 Peter Joe Greenwood Lancaster 11/09/1924 28/4/1926 Chester, Burnley, Todmorden Accrington, Manchester United alive in 2009 alive in 2016 Terry Regan 26/06/1926 Bradford City Alive in 2012 Russell Crossley 25/06/1927 Shrewsbury, Liverpool Alive in 2012 John Scott 18/07/1928 Leeds, Workington alive in 2011 Bobby Bruce 14/10/1928 Leicester, Leyton O Alive in 2012 Keith Francis 22/07/1929 Leyton O, Yeovil Alive in 2012 George Price 02/12/1929 Crewe Alive in 2017 CANNOT CONFIRM IF ALIVE OR NOT: First Name Surname DoB Clubs Jerry Jones 28/09/1918 Hartlepool, Belle Vue Congs Billy O'Neill 29/01/1919 Walsall, Burnley, Chelmsford Dewis Brown 04/06/1919 Stockport, Rotherham Jim Smith 01/01/1920 Leyton O, Burnley William Reid 13/01/1920 Newport, Cumnock Juniors Mike Kelly 30/11/1920 Crewe, Wolves Eddie Martin 30/03/1921 Accrington, Alloa Alec Jackson 02/10/1921 York, Huddersfield Eric Hampson 11/11/1921 Stoke, Stafford Rangers Reg Hipkin 31/12/1921 Brighton, Charlton, Wolves, Norwich John McCarthy 22/01/1922 Cork United, Bristol City Ken White 15/03/1922 Hull, Selby Town Herbert Robinson 30/04/1922 Accrington, Barnoldswick John O'Sullivan 30/05/1922 Swansea, Aldershot, Waterford, Lovells David Lindsay 29/06/1922 Southend, Sunderland, Blantyre Victoria Roy Moody 12/03/1923 Lincoln, Workshop David Gray 13/04/1923 Bradford City Andrew Jack 30/06/1923 Tranmere, Wishaw Frank Winters 30/10/1923 Torquay, Clyde Trevor Churchill 20/11/1923 Reading, Swindon, Rochdale, Leicester, Sheff U Syd Ward 26/11/1923 Bradford, Upton Colliery John McBride 31/12/1923 Third Lanark, Reading, Shrewsbury Fred Sharpe 26/01/1924 Wrexham Sam Parker 05/04/1924 Crewe, Accrington, Barnsley Tommy Moran 31/05/1924 Accrington, Ayr John Taylor 24/06/1924 Bradford, Kilmarnock Ray Ruffett 20/07/1924 Luton Ernie Butler 28/08/1924 Darlington, Southend, Stockton Johnny Jones 31/10/1924 Milwall, Larne, Fulham Henry Potts 23/01/1925 Northampton, Pegasus James Kelly 16/02/1925 Carlisle, Tottenham, Glenavon Tommy Carpenter 11/03/1925 Watford, Harrow John Ollerenshaw 03/04/1925 Oldham, Hartelpool, Arsenal Ted Harding 05/04/1925 Crystal P, Coalville James Taylor 07/04/1925 Crewe, Man City Ron Mitchell 27/05/1925 Celtic, Exeter Bert Williams 19/06/1925 Newport, Wales Amateur Bill Mellor 29/06/1925 Accrington, Droyslden Eric Searle 20/07/1925 Aldershot Bill Parker 15/08/1925 Reading, Swindon, Exeter Eryk Kubicki 18/08/1925 York, Polish Army Ambrose Wilson 10/10/1925 Swansea, Glenavon Arnold Jackson 10/11/1925 Shrewsbury, Stockport Jimmy Kirk 12/11/1925 Aldershot, Torquaym, Colchester, St Mirren, Bury Johnny Williams 21/11/1925 Blackburn, Southport Eddie Lewis 21/01/1926 Leyton O Jim Jowett 27/01/1926 York, Sheffield United Joe Houston 27/02/1926 Aldershot, Dunfermline Fred Smith 07/05/1926 Bradford, Grimsby, Man City, Sheff U, Derby C, Draycott Joe Slattery 03/06/1926 Accrington, Hexham Ray McKee 16/06/1926 Northampton, Finchley Alf Horne 06/09/1926 Northampton Alec Montgomery 16/09/1926 Walsall, Baddesley Bill Anderson 06/11/1926 Southend, Hibs Les Dicker 20/12/1926 Southend, Tottenham Ken Williams 07/01/1927 York, Doncaster Phil Turner 20/02/1927 Chester, Accrington, Scunthorpe, Bradford PA, Carlisle George Davies 01/03/1927 Chester, Sheff W, Oswestry John Brooks 08/03/1927 Stoke Jack Ritchie 31/03/1927 Accrington, Crossgates Prmirose Henry Wood 08/04/1927 Chesterfield, South Liverpool Norman Lewis 28/05/1927 Gravesend, Newport, Shrewsbury, Oakengates Chris Leonard 11/07/1927 Darlington, South Sheilds Robert Slade 15/07/1927 Millwall, Acton Town Harry Simpson 02/08/1927 Accrington, Lytham Graham Miller 25/08/1927 Aldershot, Workington Gordon Revel 19/09/1927 Mansfield Bryan Williams 04/10/1927 Liverpool, South Liverpool, Crewe Robert Williams 25/10/1927 Liverpool, Shrewsbury, Wrexham Tom McGairy 25/11/1927 Walsall, Dumbarton Albert Capstick 02/01/1928 Accrington, Fleetwood Robert Godwin 03/02/1928 Swindon, Old Headlandians Ken Maxwell 11/02/1928 Bradford PA, Northampton, East Stirling, Kilmarnock Charles Campbell 27/02/1928 Oldham, Rutherglen Glencairn Jack Street 30/05/1928 Barrow, Bootle, Southport, Tranmere Geoff Steiner 08/06/1928 Watford, Barnet Reg Chapman 14/06/1928 Crewe, Hereford Chris Conway 23/07/1928 Bury, Ayr Utd Andy Mullen 28/07/1928 South Sheilds, Aston Villa, Scunthorpe, Workington, Brighton Bernard Kelly 21/08/1928 Brentford, Bath City Denis Howe 14/09/1928 Aldershot, Southend, Darlington, West Ham Alan Layton 27/11/1928 Barrow, Bolton Ronnie Codd 03/12/1928 Barrow, Sheff W, Bolton, Meynell Herbert Jones 20/01/1929 Wrexham, Colwyn Bay Willie O'Brien 26/01/1929 Darlington Ron Evans 21/02/1929 Stockport, Bolton Harry Williams 24/02/1929 Swindon, Bury, West Ham, Man U Kenny McDevitt 04/03/1929 Tranmere, Unity BC Arthur Bramley 25/03/1929 Mansfield, Bentick Collery Welfare Joe Harris 08/04/1929 Oldham, Blackburn Ernie Bond 04/05/1929 Carlisle, Man Utd Louis Bimpson 14/05/1929 Rochdale, Bournemouth, Blackburn, Liverpool, Burscough Roy Martin 16/05/1929 Chesterfield, Derby, Birmingham Ron Steel 03/06/1929 Darlington, Bishop Auckland John Cook 26/06/1929 Bristol Rovers Keith Thomas 28/07/1929 Cardiff, Plymouth, Exeter, Oswestry, Sheff W Billy Molloy 28/08/1929 Newport, Southampton, Lockheed, Ludgershall Geoff Hill 31/08/1929 Carlisle Bernard Shaw 04/09/1929 Goole, Lincoln, Hull Tom McGoldrick 20/09/1929 Chesterfield, Rotherham Roy Evans 07/10/1929 Watford, Millwall David Proctor 10/10/1929 Barrow, Blackpool, Portadown, Wrexham, Norwich, Northwich Ray Ratcliffe 03/11/1929 Stockport John Clowes 05/11/1929 Stoke, Wellington, Crewe, Shrewsbury Johnny Langland 09/11/1929 hartlepool, Blyth, Chesterfield, Sunderland, Silksworth Jimmy Forrest 14/11/1929 Accrington, Leeds, Musselburgh John Yates 18/11/1929 Chester, Sheff Utd John Babes 20/11/1929 Scunthorpe, Arsenal, Glentoran Johnny Simm 24/11/1929 Bolton, Bradford C, Bury Frank Varney 27/11/1929 Lincoln, Hull, Oxford Liam Coll 16/12/1929 Accrington Johnny Moffatt 22/12/1929 Brighton, Bellshill Jim Storey 30/12/1929 Darlington, Rochdale, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Exeter
  20. 11 points
    Unless they're driven into a wall by a drink driver at 100mph, with a fleet of pepperazzi in hot pursuit.
  21. 11 points
    Currently sitting on the work network googling porn stars to check they are spelt correctly and are alive - not sure the IT Dept will buy that excuse!
  22. 11 points
    Happy 103rd birthday Kirk Douglas
  23. 11 points
    The dead centre of Derby no less. Hi - I'm the idiot who thought the easy bit would be taking all the entries and entering them into the spreadsheet etc - once that's done in about July though (although perhaps I shouldn't joke till I've successfully loaded a few) I get to put my feet up and leave it to the other two. As I'm going to be seeing everyone's teams and entering them into the spreadsheet I've already sent my team to YW. Wish us luck (and accuracy and attention to detail and humorous obit writing and a solid IT platform...…)
  24. 11 points
    A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. Let's be real here inacting gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war. Are all Americans going to happily give up guns? No Will there be a civil war most probably yes. Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it? Will the police support it? America is a long cry from 1861. The American standing military would have no difficulty taking down your average bubba-redneck idiot sitting in his handmade bunker under his Confederate battle flag and “The South Will Rise Again” banner. I live in Texas. I know these people. They can take an AR-15 into a WalMart full of unprotected civilians but they will pale when they are staring down a M109 Howitzer. Mass shooters are cowards. Will people resist giving in their guns? Very few people have suggested that gun owners give up their guns and the most reasonable who have only want the assault weapons off the streets. American gun control legislation is generally very middle of the road – the NRA is the agency of hyperbole here. What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? They will have their guns. See above. However, this argument is logically fallacious as the reason most people who live rurally in the US do so, at least in part, because there is little to no crime. Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts. The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. Again. You are arguing from an extreme position that is driven by the hyperbole of the NRA. If you look at the legislative history in the US concerning gun control – and there are multiple timelines on the internet – will demonstrate that legislation swings a little left in response to a tragedy, then swings a little right to compensate, then settles back in the middle. And there is precious little effective legislation after the 1930s. It takes 15 years for legislation to wend its way through the US courts and enter the Supreme Court. I find it the height of ridiculousness to make decisions based on the makeup of the court. Another truism is that Supreme Court justices are free agents. They tend to vote their intellect and their understanding of the Constitution even though they played most Senators for fools in their confirmation hearings. See Texas v Johnson. Will police be disarmed? If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army. If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. American police will never be disarmed. It's not even an issue worth considering. See reductio ad absurdum. For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these. Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders? In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? Actually, find significant instances of armed Americans, even in Texas, who have intervened and taken down a domestic terrorist. There ain't very many. An FBI study in 2014 showed that while five of 160 active shooter situations between 2000 – 2013 had civilians effectively exchanging gunfire with the shooter, 21 were handled by unarmed bystanders. Since 2014, the trend has been more to the ineffectiveness of civilian gun owners, with the exception of Sutherland Springs – but the damage was done by the time that intervention happened. My father was a five time combat veteran and he told me something very interesting. First, the instinct is to flee in self preservation. Second, if that urge is defeated, simply facing someone you know wants your life can send you back to fleeing. Third, if you can push through that, a significant number of people, no matter their rhetoric at the backyard barbecue, simply can not kill even to save their own lives. This, he said, is what American military training is designed to break down. Civilians generally do not have that training. They have a lot of hubris, though, I’ll grant you. If I had a dollar for every time I heard some Texas redneck wannabe talking about what he'd do if he saw a bad guy I'd be lounging in Aruba. As far as women go, according to the FBI, 7.6% of all firearm homicides in the US are committed by women, and since 2000 nine women have committed mass shootings. In addition, they tend to be armed with handguns, not assault rifles, and their targets tend to be people and places with connections to them. That’s a glass ceiling I’ll keep, thank you. Americans will always have guns, but we have got to find a way to effectively drive down the rate of mass shootings. We sacrifice children on the altar of the Second Amendment. This is unacceptable to sane people. Arming every man, woman, and child is not practical nor is it the answer – it didn’t work on the frontier and it is not helping now. All that this has demonstrated is that Congress is firmly in the pocket of the NRA and that assault weapons exist for one reason and one reason alone. The NRA has effectively replaced the concept of “well regulated militia” with the individual, negating the intent of the second amendment while strengthening it, oddly enough. They have mastered the rhetoric. There is no issue that is so dangerous it can’t be talked about, but it requires people of good faith to talk about it in good faith. That’s where we are lacking in Washington right now. That’s why we will continue to die.
  25. 11 points
    Buttigieg, Hickenlooper and Klobuchar are either entries in a dictionary of euphemisms or the new generation of Pokemon
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