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A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. Let's be real here inacting gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war. Are all Americans going to happily give up guns? No Will there be a civil war most probably yes. Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it? Will the police support it? America is a long cry from 1861. The American standing military would have no difficulty taking down your average bubba-redneck idiot sitting in his handmade bunker under his Confederate battle flag and “The South Will Rise Again” banner. I live in Texas. I know these people. They can take an AR-15 into a WalMart full of unprotected civilians but they will pale when they are staring down a M109 Howitzer. Mass shooters are cowards. Will people resist giving in their guns? Very few people have suggested that gun owners give up their guns and the most reasonable who have only want the assault weapons off the streets. American gun control legislation is generally very middle of the road – the NRA is the agency of hyperbole here. What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? They will have their guns. See above. However, this argument is logically fallacious as the reason most people who live rurally in the US do so, at least in part, because there is little to no crime. Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts. The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. Again. You are arguing from an extreme position that is driven by the hyperbole of the NRA. If you look at the legislative history in the US concerning gun control – and there are multiple timelines on the internet – will demonstrate that legislation swings a little left in response to a tragedy, then swings a little right to compensate, then settles back in the middle. And there is precious little effective legislation after the 1930s. It takes 15 years for legislation to wend its way through the US courts and enter the Supreme Court. I find it the height of ridiculousness to make decisions based on the makeup of the court. Another truism is that Supreme Court justices are free agents. They tend to vote their intellect and their understanding of the Constitution even though they played most Senators for fools in their confirmation hearings. See Texas v Johnson. Will police be disarmed? If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army. If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. American police will never be disarmed. It's not even an issue worth considering. See reductio ad absurdum. For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these. Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders? In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? Actually, find significant instances of armed Americans, even in Texas, who have intervened and taken down a domestic terrorist. There ain't very many. An FBI study in 2014 showed that while five of 160 active shooter situations between 2000 – 2013 had civilians effectively exchanging gunfire with the shooter, 21 were handled by unarmed bystanders. Since 2014, the trend has been more to the ineffectiveness of civilian gun owners, with the exception of Sutherland Springs – but the damage was done by the time that intervention happened. My father was a five time combat veteran and he told me something very interesting. First, the instinct is to flee in self preservation. Second, if that urge is defeated, simply facing someone you know wants your life can send you back to fleeing. Third, if you can push through that, a significant number of people, no matter their rhetoric at the backyard barbecue, simply can not kill even to save their own lives. This, he said, is what American military training is designed to break down. Civilians generally do not have that training. They have a lot of hubris, though, I’ll grant you. If I had a dollar for every time I heard some Texas redneck wannabe talking about what he'd do if he saw a bad guy I'd be lounging in Aruba. As far as women go, according to the FBI, 7.6% of all firearm homicides in the US are committed by women, and since 2000 nine women have committed mass shootings. In addition, they tend to be armed with handguns, not assault rifles, and their targets tend to be people and places with connections to them. That’s a glass ceiling I’ll keep, thank you. Americans will always have guns, but we have got to find a way to effectively drive down the rate of mass shootings. We sacrifice children on the altar of the Second Amendment. This is unacceptable to sane people. Arming every man, woman, and child is not practical nor is it the answer – it didn’t work on the frontier and it is not helping now. All that this has demonstrated is that Congress is firmly in the pocket of the NRA and that assault weapons exist for one reason and one reason alone. The NRA has effectively replaced the concept of “well regulated militia” with the individual, negating the intent of the second amendment while strengthening it, oddly enough. They have mastered the rhetoric. There is no issue that is so dangerous it can’t be talked about, but it requires people of good faith to talk about it in good faith. That’s where we are lacking in Washington right now. That’s why we will continue to die.

That is the biggest pile of horse shit I have ever read on here.

We do have a bit of a drolean wipe-out this year. Maybe it's all building up to a Mugabe death at Christmas.

Ok, it's in the top 5.

Nuon Chea has died https://www.france24.com/en/20190804-khmer-rouge-brother-number-two-nuon-chea-dies-cambodia-court. Another "best riddance" award?

He needed no instruction there, his French was rather good too I know what you mean about the forum. I was reading the Joe Longthorne thread and quite enjoyed all the ranting.

A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. Let's be real here inacting gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war. Are all Americans going to happily give up guns? No Will there be a civil war most probably yes. Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it? Will the police support it? Will people resist giving in their guns? What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts. The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. Will police be disarmed? If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army. If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these. Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders? In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ7qAcSifpY 79 year old woman shoots and fights off robber https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/ https://komonews.com/news/local/woman-shoots-burglary-suspect-in-south-park American Koreans or roof Koreans would of lost their properties and Korea town would of been wiped out without guns. Without guns you'd have alot more of this in USA.Armed criminals attacking rural properties. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9310908/farmers-wife-shot-and-raped-in-front-children-south-africa/

You can't deny this was more fun when Z was around though really can you? Presumably the social media police age has caught him up by now, pretty sure they'd be interested in some of his frequently repeated opines on Islam had they been written on twitter/facebook etc. I'd let him back any day of the week. Also what happened to Guest_Guest or whoever it was, maybe opening guest posting back up would help attract some of the old loony guest posters back as they don't appear to have signed up. But the link you missed is the weird posters were primarily narcissists only happy to engage with those who agree with everything they say. Facebook/twitter allow them to do exactly that, I'm sure Z is off on Britain First or whoevers facebook page now trotting out opinions to a crowd of people who agree of him. Why would you bother with forums full of rational people when you can retreat to your irrational echo chambers? The glory days of internet forums are gone, as the nutters are. As you say too many intelligent, rational posters on here.

Her friend isn't looking great...

Nope, it was an Essex Comprehensive school that was a bit shit. Next time I will let you assume that I porked the drama teacher.

Because as we know, if you take guns out of the equation, it'll result in more shootings.

Excellent posting. Thank you. I lived in the Los Angeles area during the LA Riots. Those Koreans were/are a brave bunch. Luckily my Condo Complex had several Roof Fighters prepared to protect all of us. I will be forever greatful to those men. Then a short time after the riots our neighbor experienced an armed robbery while she was shopping at a store. My husband`s friend was murdered. We decided to move back to Norway. Our neighbor moved to upper State New York at the same time.

I don't necessarily think it is an issue of forums dying so much but more a case of the kind of people that are joining. We have too many that have the personalities of dead hamsters and too many that think they are edgy and Frankie Boyle. There are plenty of intelligent people on here ( not me, obviously) but we do not need anymore smart arses, we need PERSONALITY, ya know, people that have something about them instead of posting like they are actually some sort of robot. I miss Banshees and Lardy, Z was a lunatic but lunatics are in short supply here so...

Haven't we all? Zorders and Banshee's need bringing back but those days are gone. Few others as well. Although forums on the whole are becoming a dying art (thanks to twitter, facebook etc) so maybe this place will die before some of it's picks at the current trajectory. After all internet forums were on their deathbed when I joined this gaggle of lunatics around this place 5/6? years ago. So is it real a suprise it's turning into a bit of a wasteland, in fact it's a wonder there's still enough of us kicking the can about the playfield and posting shite.

Maybe you should. You must have noticed how utterly shit it has been in here for a good while now. Too many posters are, frankly, shite and bore the absolute tits off of me with their insipid crap that does absolutely nothing but make you yearn for the days when we had posters going off on one or taking threads and mangling the shit out of them by taking them in directions they were never meant to go. This was one of the first places i would log into when i lifted the laptop lid, it is now one of the last. I know, things change and people come and go but i wish a load of those that have come would just fuck off and go elsewhere. Go ahead and rant Deathers, might shake the fucking place up from its tedium or summat.

You're right of course, we're two consenting adults and it shouldn't even be an issue, but the next morning I couldn't help but feel slightly pervy. It's daft, I have colleagues younger than him and I wouldn't give it a second thought if I'd pulled one of them.

YOU WERE SAYING?????????

I posted the teams basically in the order I received them. It's slightly interesting that ALL of the first 4 teams entered all had Loretta Lynn (L entry), but only 3 of the next 22 followed suit.

And that is unusual because?

Director D.A. Pennebaker dead at 94 years: https://variety.com/2019/film/news/d-a-pennebaker-dead-dies-dont-look-back-1203290823/ He was well known for his documentaries, including the classic “Don’t Look Back” (1967), “Monterey Pop” (1968) and “The War Room” (1993) and “Elaine Stritch at Liberty” (2002)

'Multiple people killed' after 'gunman armed with an assault rifle' opens fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, sending panicked shoppers fleeing before SWAT respond and take a 21-year-old suspect into custody America needs more gun ownership and Walmart need to sell more bullets to stop this sort of thing happening.

Done Macron no harm. Is the bloke a politician? Aspirations perhaps to Number 10?

Frommer to Eternity?

Is it the same reason why your avatar is a shirtless man?

Alf Smith, joint title-holder of the UK's oldest man with Bob Weighton, has died at 111.