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You know how it is. They're on their 11th whisky, they need to get a list up for the hell of it, ideas are running short. "Might as well try the forum" says Grim, and the rest shudder. He logs in, finds the ideas thread, looks at the first new post and screams. "What's up?" says Welshman, concerned. "It's a 500 name list by Sean!" "Oh fuck that, let's just pick Dick Van Dyke and have another round."

Welcome to the 9th annual Hares Death Pool. As another year winds down, and the 2021 Hares Death Pool hots up, its time to start looking ahead to next years event. Since Deathray does not appear to have been granted clemency by the Mods to rejoin the site and reclaim his game, I will be taking on the task for another year. As always, should Deathers return and express a wish to take over, the game will be handed back. We have had an impressive number of 43 teams for the past 3 years (with a little cheating last year!), and we are hoping to exceed that target this year. It’s the easiest of pools to enter- pretty much anything goes. Old or young, massively famous or fairly obscure, domestic or from the far-flung reaches of the globe. Just chuck together a team and send it in. They just have to die, and they have to take their bloody time about doing it. The rules are published below. They are pretty much the same as every other year, but your attention is drawn to a couple of points. Firstly, the criteria for fame is being tightened up a little, while still allowing for the vast array of obscure overseas picks that liven up this pool. But if you want to have a high-school tiddlywinks coach on your team, they better be a hall-of-fame high-school tiddlywinks coach. And if you want a cancer-mum, they better have done a little more than cried a few times to the Daily Mail. Secondly, and importantly, I will not be spending much time (or indeed any time) clarifying who a player meant with a pick, as Deathers was always so good at in the past. A quick Google search is all they are getting, and I will then assign the pick in accordance with the rules. So, make sure that they are spelled correctly, put a brief description in brackets if necessary, and feel free to add a link if they are particularly obscure. Otherwise, you have no-one to blame but yourself. SEND YOUR TEAM TO ME BY PM, OR POST IT UP ON THIS THREAD. NO OTHER METHODS OF ENTRY ARE ACCEPTED. To make life a little easier on me, you are kindly asked to enter your team in the following format. · List picks in alphabetical order of first name. · Do not put numbers in front of the name. · Put description in brackets after name · Mark one pick as a Joker (or wildcard- I’m not getting into that discussion again!) I will accept entries that are not in this format. However you may be subject to a torrent of abuse of Deathray-ian proportions. Best of luck to you all.

I agree, this is a very sound suggestion. Y’all should pick him for 2022.

They obviously listen to the masses of people when they suggest putting the perfectly healthy Dick van Dyke right at the top of the list every year.

Hello Everyone, here we are again. Time for a new round, are you up for it? Do you think we can ever surpass the original score record of 1838 by DevonDeathTrip in the first Death By Numbers of 2016? (The one of 2015 was a little different) Well, I guess it's time you try! The general rules: Send me 50 main team names by pm or just post them in this thread, if you want, from now on until Dec 31st 2021, 23:59 GMT. You can choose one joker who gives you double points - and you can also submit up to five substitutes in case one of your 50 names dies before the end of the submission window. You may also choose new subs before the game starts if they die. Submission form: Just give them in the normal "First name", "Last name" format Please don't number them, don't give any added data, like birthdays. And only note their claim to fame if there might be confusion, for example: Frank Williams (racing team owner) Frank Williams (UK actor) The scoring is [year of birth] - 1900 = score. So someone born in 2001 will get 101 points in case of death You may submit the following people: living, not expecting or knowing their precise date of death (by execution, dignitas, or whatever), at least 18 years old on the beginning of January 1st, 2021, and being somewhat notable. "Somewhat notable" means: they should at least be notable for something else aside from being terminally ill. "Something else" being something that has an effect on society. Terminally ill activists are okay if they've done at least something generally beneficial, a campaign, a book, or a winning court case. If they're only in the news because of their tragedy or because they need our sympathy I will not accept them. So no "cancer mums with cancer kids", no "terminally ill fans", no "ordinary person in a coma because of a car crash". This also counts for brothers/sisters/children of notable people - unless they are so notable that every relative is also notable by default, like the House of Windsor, or maybe the Bush family. Unfortunately, it is me who will decide if the person is famous enough. Previous BBC coverage will usually convince me. Clarrification: Anybody that gets rejected in the DDP would also be rejected here! However: "Oldest Person of XYZ" will always be allowed - even a completely irrelevant person (in the grand scheme of things) will be accepted if they are the oldest person of their country, or last survivor of World War II, Korean War, etc... Usually those people do not give many points, but maybe 5 pts is better than zero? And they are of a certain "historic relevance", you know President Tyler's grandson, and such. Anyway, I will allow them. Substitution phase: On the 1st of July 2022 GMT you may switch 5 old people still alive for 5 new ones for whom all the above rules also apply. When is a hit a hit: If the person permanently dies in 2022 (GMT!) and their death gets noticed in written form by qualifying media outlets within 2022 or the first seven days of 2023. The QO rules are: Everything accepted by the Derby Dead Pool 2022 plus The New York Times. Your host: I will also submit a team and will do so two posts below around December 15th and hide the names with "XXXXX XXXXX" and reveal them on January 1st. Main reason for not already submitting right now is that I want to avoid the situation of 2019, when I ran out of subs and then filled the gaps with "new" names, especially Edmund Capon, who revealed his illness mid-December. So I hope I will not run out of subs if I submit a little later. As in last year, I will also make use of the substitution window, but only use 2 names. After all, there's always a pretty broad consensus of a couple of names (example 2019: Ivan Milat, Michael Sleggs, Tom Long), so I wouldn't steal anyone's names by picking those who are universally known anyway. Also, I will substitute on the 30th of June, so you can see my two names. I will not read your submission emails until January 1st (I think you can check that) to prevent the impression that I might take a name from your posts for other deadpools. This also means that I might discuss borderline acceptable picks with you on January 1st or 2nd. We will have to talk then. If you're unavailable, I will replace a disqualified name with one of your substitutions. Remember, the disqualification in some cases might come only after the DDP committee has decided, so maybe not before the 2nd week of January. If you post your team right in this thread, you save me some work but also give away names. If you pm me, please make sure that I know what the mail is about in the header "Death By Numbers", "Team submission" or something like that. If you have other questions, you can also ask in this thread!

his day[o]s are numbered.

The duchess of Grafton with a QO: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/12/05/dowager-duchess-grafton-steadfast-confidante-queen-performed/ Have I missed any obits so far? I will be gone for a week from tomorrow on - so no score updates during that time.

Peter Cundall has retired from life at 94: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-05/peter-cundall-gardening-australia-host-dies-aged-94/100675686

Noticed this years version of the thread had not been opened yet and It feels time to launch it. Some of the people I think should be considered for a debut. Glynis Johns Julie Goodyear Jean Marsh Michael Gambon Duchess of Kent Duke of Kent George Alagiah Bill Turnbull Pele Frank Field For a return Liza Minnelli Jerry Lee Lewis.

@TheSpinosaurus... Harry Belafonte can only die once.

Scotland's former Rugby Union captain Gary Callander dead from cancer aged 62: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/59540662

I feel like James Bolam could be a relatively unexpected one. He hasn’t been in anything since 2016.

Kris Kristofferson, Mikhail Gorbachev, Desmond Tutu, John Astin, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Schumacher, Jack Nicholson, Marsha Hunt, James Earl Jones, Gene Hackman, Robert Wagner, Juan Carlos I, Harald V, Michael Caine

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/12/05/dowager-duchess-grafton-steadfast-confidante-queen-performed/ Now a Qualifying obituary in the Daily Telegraph for The Duchess of Grafton

One more vote for Nigel Lawson, I can feel it. Also, Gina Lollobrigida. I know the committee wants to go for James Baker soon, but it might be too early? Wait for Kissinger's death. Another vote for Gorbachev , but kudos for avoiding him this year. Sandra Day O'Connor Pelé Silvio Berlusconi Desmond Tutu (!) Edit: Oops, this isn't the DeathList thread?

I see where you’re coming from, but most of the people mentioned have their own threads anyway, and threads like this one are just invitations for a) TOC-level impertinence, b) The well-trodden ground of who is/isn’t ‘deathlisty’ and c) Delusions that the cmme give a shiny shit what people think.

Stonewall Jackson hit #24 in the UK Charts in 1959. His only UK single entry.

Norman Tebbit Bamber Gascoigne Jimmy Tarbuck Virginia Mckenna

The Rules 1) Your Team All teams must contain 25 people with some claim to fame (See FFBI section) you expect to die, and a nominated joker amongst the main 25. If no Joker is nominated, the first name on your list will automatically become your Joker. A maximum 5 subs are permitted for any picks who die before the starting line, or any picks who are disallowed by the host (These substitutes will be promoted in order if required). It is strongly recommended that a player submits subs, as the host may not bother to chase you for a sub should one or more of your players fail to make the starting line. All picks must be human beings aged over 18 on January 1st of the game year. Picks who appear at the commencement of the game to be human, but are subsequently found to be shape-shifting reptilians will still be valid (See Philip, Prince). Pond-scum who show only the vaguest signs of being human will also be allowed (see Rees-Mogg, Jacob). They will still be subject to rule 4.2 below, however tempting it might be. Death row prisoners only score if they die of other causes. Those still on trial will still score points if sentenced to execution after 0000 on January 1st. Entries must be posted in the annual Hares Death Pool thread or PMed to the game runner. Entries sent by any other method will be completely ignored. The competition automatically opens for entries at 0001 on the 1st December and closes at 2359 on December 31st. Substitutes will be automatically promoted if a pick dies before the game commences., or if a pick is disqualified by the host. Substitutions will be allowed for the entire duration of the game until 23.59 on 31st December 2022. In the unlikely case a player uses all 5 substitutes on picks who died before January 1st, they will not be allowed to add another pick, and will start the game with one pick short should a 6th pick die. Let’s face it, if you are so bad at this game that 6 picks die before it even starts, then you deserve some sort of penalty. If someone has not provided sufficient substitutes to cover picks who died prematurely or were disqualified, then they will also play the game with a numerically disadvantaged team. Late entries are not permitted. No exceptions. Don’t even think about it. Seriously. Entries are welcomed up until the deadline of 23.59.59 on 31st December. The fine tradition of abusing players who post late on New Years Eve will not be carried on this year by the current host, as he will be too pissed to care. However, it may be revived in subsequent years if players insist on abusing the hosts good nature. In another change to a previous pool tradition, absolutely no effort will be made to clarify who your picks are should there be confusion. Frankly, I do have a few better things to do with my life. The previous Hare's host has always been incredibly lenient on this front and seemed to take pleasure is corresponding with participants for clarification on picks. The current host will do no such thing. If you do insist on picking obscure names (which are actually welcomed), we recommend you put a brief description in brackets which will assist the host in assigning the correct name (see Rule 10 below). This is unnecessary for the blindingly obvious. For example, from last years submissions, this is good: Thomas Nilsson (Swedish jockey) This is a touch excessive: Queen Elizabeth 2 – Royal If the host is not certain who a pick is (which to be fair is actually most picks), the player will be assigned the first living name that comes up on a google search, regardless of how young, healthy, or obviously-not-the-intended-pick they are. If no suitable name comes up on page 1 of a google search, the pick will be disregarded and a sub will move up. For example, if you wish to select John Smith, the former Wigan and Oldham player who is now head coach at Cornell University, then perhaps enter John Smith (Cornell Coach). If you enter John Smith, then page 1 of a Google search gives the explorer of Pocahantas fame and the dead former Labour leader, and so the pick will be invalid. If you enter John Smith (football) then the first living person who comes up is the former New England Patriots kicker who will then be your (probably better) pick. If your pick is so obscure that they do not appear on page 1 of a google search, a link to a suitable article on the person is acceptable and advised. 11. The host may accept clarifications to picks made after the team has been submitted. This will be solely at the discretion of the host, and will largely depend on the hosts mood at that time. The host’s mood is usually not good, so I wouldn’t bank on it. No alterations to the master-list will be made after 00.01 on January 1st 2022 2) Obituary Rules Celebrities qualify if they achieve an obituary or article about their death in a local, national or even specialist newspaper, magazine or website. The aforementioned article does not need to specifically relate to their death, instead just mention it and date it. The Hare’s Pool has always been extremely lenient when it comes to accepting “obits” and that will be continued. Unlike other pools, a QO is not used as a barometer of fame – the weeding out process is carried out before the game begins. Basically, anything that convinces the host that the person is actually dead will be accepted (See Point 3). The obit may be published in any language but entrants should give the host a translation if it is not in English. (It has been a tradition for foreign dead pool players to submit local hero teams of DDP useless picks to the Hares pools on account of this and the current host heartily welcomes such entries – how else is he going to learn about Singaporean Ceramacists!) Paid for obituary sites are not specialist websites and will be not accepted as proof of death, as unscrupulous (and frankly desperate) players could pay for an obituary. The same applies to death notice sections of otherwise acceptable sources. The exception to this rule is if these sites have a celebrities death page - should the picks death notice/paid for obituary feature on their celebrity deaths page/feed the points will be awarded. Wickipedia pages are not accepted. Social media posts, personal blogs etc do not count. The cut off period for obituaries is 2359 on the 7th January the year after the competition ends. (death date must be recorded as 31st December at the latest). While the host will make every effort to search for obituaries before this date, it is ultimately the responsibility of the player to bring deaths and obits to the attention of the host. No death notices will be accepted after this date, even if the final scoreboard has not yet been published and a winner declared. 3) Scoring Rules For the purposes of determining the date of death of a celebrity, the information to hand will be used to determine the points allocated to the competitors who chose the person. In the event that an exact date is available a) Journalistic phrases such as 'on Wednesday, or last night/yesterday' will count as dates of death, with the date being determined by the tedious process of working it out - points will be awarded. In the event that a more vague phrase is used such as “Last week” or “recently”, the host will use their own discretion to determine a likely date of death, based on the phrase and the context used. The hosts decision on this shall be final, but is also changeable should further information subsequently become available. b) In the event that only the month of death is in the obituary, points will be awarded to the first date of the month that has been given ('the Leah Bracknell' rule) if a date is subsequently given before the closure of the competition window the remaining points will be added to the total. c) In the very unfortunate event that only the year of death is provided in the qualifying obituary the poor bastard who picked them will be awarded points to the first day of the year that is given (which the savvy among you will have worked out is 0 points). The overall points system is incredibly simple: a) 1 Point for each day of the year that passes before your celebs death (if they die on the 10th of January you are awarded 9 points for example) up until the games close at midnight on the 31st December. b) 250 point bonus if one of your "celebrities" dies on 31st December in that game year (i.e a 31st death will score 614 points in a normal year or 615 points in a leap year rather than the 364 or 365 points it would normally accrue) c) Pick 1 of your celebrities as a joker to double the points for that pick upon their death. (i.e if they die on the 9th January you'll get 16 points). Jokers are calculated before the 250 point bonus, meaning are 31st December joker will score 978 in a normal year and 980 in a leap year. d) In the impressive event of all 25 of your team dying you will receive a 500 point bonus 4) The "Don't Be A Cunt" Rules Blatant plagiarism of another person’s team (in the opinion of the host) is punishable by expulsion and a 5-year ban on entering the competition. It is also fairly pointless in this game, so why bother. Murdering your chosen "celebrities" is against the rules. While the host greatly admires dedication to dead-pooling above and beyond the call of duty, and was tempted to relax this rule as a result, the site’s lawyers have pointed out that it is actually illegal and should probably not be encouraged (not to mention it gives us a worse name than we currently have). Players are forbidden from encouraging/discouraging or actively taking part in their (or another contestants picks) assisted euthanasia. Similarly, encouraging picks to commit suicide is prohibited (as well as being a fairly shitty thing to do, even by dead-pooling standards) Keeping alive another person’s pick against the picks will to benefit in this game is also against the rules (although again being grudgingly admired). 5) The Qualifying Picks Rules Picks are not accepted if it cannot be reasonably ascertained that they are actually alive. Celebrities are disqualified if the host determines them to be famous for being ill. This rule has been significantly tightened in recent years, and will be tightened further this year. This includes · Famous due to impending death (hit by a car, stabbed, in ICU with Covid despite 10 vaccinations etc - you get the idea) · Famous due to illness, with not even a minor fame to claim of their own making resulting from that illness (mother with 6 months to live, man with rare genetic disorder) 3. Exceptions will be made for people with an illness who have become activists or otherwise achieved a reasonable level of fame on account of their illness. This will be solely at the discretion of the host, whose decisions will likely be arbitrary and mood dependant. Writing a single book about one’s illness will likely not qualify, because let’s face it, what self-respecting cancer-mum hasn’t written a book about her battle. Relatives of the famous are not accepted, unless they have achieved a reasonable level of fame themselves. The threshold for this “fame” will be relatively low and may be directly related to the famous person (e.g. appearing regularly on their reality TV show), but anything not related to the celeb is generally welcomed and is more likely to have the pick accepted. The hosts decision will be final, and may appear unfair and inconsistent. That’s life (and death) folks! If a pick is rejected, the first sub on the list will be promoted. If a team has more than 5 rejected picks, they will play with a shortened team. The most obscure accepted pick in the opinion of the host shall win the Who the Feck Are They? award. I'd be grateful if people didn't deliberately go after the Who the Feck Are They? award, as it's meant to be light-hearted fun and will be discontinued if people appear to submit substantially more fringe picks. Rejected picks will be published once the game begins, along with the players name (a break from tradition). Players are welcome to (and indeed encouraged to) ridicule other players for their barrel-scraping antics.

Ann Fortune FitzRoy is an unique hit for @Yvonne CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Christina Applegate (Joker) Bobby Shantz Jean-Louis Trintignant Barbara Walters Yoko Ono Harry Belafonte Linda Nolan Manmohan Singh Dwayne Hickman Demi Lovato Sir Bobby Charlton James Whale Bob Dole: Replacement: Bob Dylan John Devitt (Aussie swimmer) Brigitte Bardot Mikhail Gorbachev Just Fontaine Sandra Day O'Connor Ozzy Osbourne Barry Humphries Nichelle Nichols Edwin Meese Jeff Bridges Shannen Doherty Catherine Deneuve Betty White: Replacement: Joachim Gauck Brian May (Queen) Derek Draper Dick Cheney Wendy Williams (TV show host) Jean-Pierre Jabouille Eva Marie Saint Roger Donlon Bill Clinton Stephen Stills Joni Mitchell Jim Ward (character voice actor) Michael Parkinson Katie Price Pope Benedict XVI 6ixnine (Rapper) Willie Nelson Judi Dench Phil Collins John Williams (composer) Rob Burrow Bernadette Chirac Tom Stafford (astronaut) Pervez Musharraf Frank Field subs Bob Dylan: MOVED TO MAIN LIST Joachim Gauck: MOVED TO MAIN LIST Nancy Pelosi Tina Turner David Attenborough

After reading the below article, I was even more convinced Jean-Louis Trintignant should be a lock in for the 2022 DL. His wife admits he is doing badly, he refuses to take chemotherapy for his cancer from years ago, his won’t adapt to treat his diabetes, he cannot walk well and his sight is fading. https://news.in-24.com/lifestyle/celebrities/194358.html And being one of France’s most famous celebrities, it is almost guaranteed that he will get a BBC obit, a Guardian obit, a Daily Mail obit etc...

Only now being reported that Yvonne Wilder, best known for playing Maria's friend Consuelo in West Side Story died back on November 24, aged 84: https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/yvonne-wilder-dead-84-actor-west-side-story-1235123213/

You're right, @Lafaucheuse. Dolly Parton is perfect in every way and I love her.