YoungWillz

To be clear, I'm not bitching about the rules. I'm interested in the ruling and I have made it CLEAR beyond comprehension that I accept the MPFC ruling on this matter. I have no interest in the person or their death, or who gets points. However, on the basis that merely showing interest and getting clarification seems to have aroused some hostility amongst those who do have an interest, I respectfully say: Withdraw me from this game. I'll monitor my team over the year from a safe distance.

Yeah, I posted that over the Dead of 2017 some time ago.

Out of interest here is the timeline: Person in question dies 17:22 (Local) 08:22 (GMT) on 29 December 2017. FB Post by Partner: 06:13 -30 December (Local) 21:13 - 29 December (GMT) Tweet from Cancer Org: Looking at it now - 06:33 30 December. Whatever that means local or when it was posted, dunno, when widely available, dunno. News Obit: Holding our breath.

FWIW Round Up #Infinity Peggy Cummins: Awaiting Obit.

No. This year's will be finalised in early 2019! Now, as for last year's game, you know the one you are leading in, this gets finalised on the turn of 7/8 January 2018.

Apparently died 29 December 2017: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/peggy-cummins-dead-gun-crazy-femme-fatale-was-92-1024393

Any idea if this one will be finalised? I'm not what they call a "contender" but I did ok. I think I had no further hits and my total of 342 Points seems to be my final score. Let's see how this goes next year.

Must be about time to wind this one up. Looking forward to seeing who has won, and of course participating next year if you care to run it again JR.

Now hang on, aren't we forgetting to congratulate gcreptile on his theme team win? One of my teams finished 16= (or thereabouts once it is updated of course): proud of that in my second full year.

Now wait, are you saying that my teams of carefully chosen no-hopers won't be contenders? Because if you are...you're probably correct. So, away the lads and lassies...

Former major party Presidential candidates are always well known here.

I think that is clearer. The rules state the person must be alive on 1 January 2018. I'm allowed to be confused, aren't I? I'm not questioning the ruling, just let me be baffled.

I'm not going to push the point, it's not my game. A tweet dated 31 December 2017 exists. It is available to everyone and every one of Twitter's users. Whether it is read or not by people is another matter. That's why I'm confused. But I really don't care...

I'll pop this here although I'm not sure if she died 2017 or 2018. Reports coming in that Peggy Cummins, Welsh born actress famous for Gun Crazy, and DDP Pick for 2017 has died:

I see.... Actually, I don't. Hey, if them's the rules, I gotta be cool, relax, get hip, etc etc...

So explain how a tweet is not evidence her death was known about, but it's enough to get the points? It's clearly pre-2018. I'm confused.

I can't even find evidence that Cas Willow has died.

The YoungWillz Numerical Necromancy Team sent really early: 01. Charles Aznavour (b. 1924) Singer (d. 1 October 2018) 02. Tom Baker (b. 1934) Actor 03. Gordon Banks (b. 1937) English Goalkeeper 04. Jean Barker, Baroness Trumpington (b. 1922) Retired Peer (d. 26 November 2018) 05. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI (b. 1927) Former Pope 06. Barbara Bush (b. 1925) Former First Lady (d. 17 April 2017) 07. George HW Bush (b. 1924) Former US President (d. 30 November 2018) 08. Lord Peter Carrington (b. 1919) Former Politician and Peer (d. 9 July 2018) 09. Jimmy Carter (b. 1924) Former US President 10. Billy Connolly (b. 1942) Scottish Comedian/Actor 11. Olivia de Havilland (b. 1916) Actress 12. Ken Dodd (b. 1927) Comedian (d. 11 March 2018) 13. Pete Frates (b. 1984) Baseball Player/Ice Bucket Challenge JOKER 14. Rev. Billy Graham (b. 1918) Christian Evangelist (d. 21 February 2018) 15. Jimmy Greaves (b. 1940) English Soccer Player 16. Valerie Harper (b. 1939) US Actress/Comedienne 17. Rolf Harris (b. 1930) Australian Personality 18. Bob Hawke (b. 1929) Former Australian PM 19. Stephen Hawking (b. 1942) Scientist (d. 14 March 2018) 20. John Hume (b. 1937) Irish Politician 21. Douglas Hurd, Baron Hurd of Westwell (b. 1930) Former Politician and Peer 22. Clive James (b. 1939) Australian Scribe and Wit 23. Alun Gwynne Jones, Baron Chalfont (b. 1919) Former Politician and Peer 24. Kenneth Kaunda (b. 1924) Former Zambian President 25. Henry Kissinger (b. 1923) Former US Secretary of State 26. Dilip Kumar (b. 1922) Indian Actor 27. Angela Lansbury (b. 1925) Actress/Singer 28. Vera Lynn (b. 1917) Singer 29. Shane MacGowan (b. 1957) Irish Singer 30. John McCain (b. 1936) US Politician (d. 25 August 2018) 31. Paul McCartney (b. 1942) Beatle 32. Ennio Morricone (b. 1928) Italian Composer 33. Pete Murray (b. 1925) Disc Jockey 34. Olivia Newton-John (b. 1948) Singer 35. Jack Nicklaus (b. 1940) US Golfer 36. Linda Nolan (b. 1959) Irish Singer/Presenter 37. Denis Norden (b. 1922) Comedy Writer (d. 19 September 2018) 38. Yoko Ono (b. 1933) Japanese Artist 39. Michael Parkinson (b. 1935) Talk Show Host/Presenter 40. Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1921) Royal 41. Leslie Phillips (b. 1924) Actor 42. Sidney Poitier (b. 1927) US Actor 43. Burt Reynolds (b. 1936) US Actor (d. 6 September 2018) 44. Little Richard (b. 1932) US Rocker 45. Nobby Stiles (b. 1942) English Soccer Player 46. Norman Tebbit, Baron Tebbit (b. 1931) Former Politcian and Peer 47. Terence Thomas, Baron Thomas of Macclesfield (b. 1937) Former Peer (d. 1 July 2018) 48. Morgan Tsvangirai (b. 1952) Former Zimbabwean PM (d. 14 February 2018) 49. Sir Frank Williams (b. 1942) Formula One 50. Brian Wilson (b. 1942) Beach Boy

FFS!

Second last again.

M - Z "Mad" Mike Hoare Marge Champion Mary Carlisle (d. 2018) Mary Wilson, Baroness of Rievaulx (d. 2018) Max Splodge Michael York Noam Chomsky Norman Kember Norman Lloyd Olivia De Havilland Oscar Quitak Pearl Carr Peter Carrington (Lord) (d. 2018) Philip Pullman Pierre Delauney R Dean Taylor Rachel Robinson (Jackie Robinson's Widow) Radovan Karadzic Ratko Mladic Ray Kennedy Richard Bach Richard Carpenter Richard O'Sullivan Richard Sherman Ricky Valance Roberta McCain Roger Bannister (d. 2018) (Roland Doe) Rona Barrett Ruth Westheimer Sepp Piontek Sheila Mercier Sophia Loren Stanley Bates (Bungle) Sue Nicholls Susan Maughan Sydney Lotterby Teddy Johnson (d. 2018) Tippi Hedren Tom Lehrer Tony Soper Ursula K Le Guin (d. 2018) Victoria Ramsey (Lady) Vince Fumo Werner Herzog Wilford Brimley William Goldman William Perrie (d. 2018) Yoshiko Kuga Zizi Jeanmaire

Seems an opportune time to update the lists from last year to include those mentioned on the thread in 2017 and deleting those who have died. As always, if you know better.... A - L Abi Ofarim (d. 2018) Andre Maranne Angela Lansbury Anita Harris Ann Hamilton (British actress) Ann Turner Cook Ann Winterbottom (Lady) (d. 2018) Annie Ross Anton Mosimann Antonio Tejero Arthur Cox (NI Actor) Barry Chuckle (d. 2018) Benjamin Ferencz Bernard Lewis (Historian) d. 2018 Beverly Cleary Bill Legend Bill Macy Bobby Brown (Footballer) Brian Holland Burt Bacharach Carl Davis (Composer) Carol Channing Charles Van Doren Christopher Biggins Christopher Tolkein Chuck Yeager Cicely Tyson Clarissa Eden Cloris Leachman Colin Jeavons Creed Taylor David Edgerton (Entrepreneur) (d. 2018) David Graham (actor) David Montgomery, 2nd Viscount of Alamein Debra Mooney Debra Paget Diana Serra Carey Dick Cheney Don Fraser (Boxing Promoter) Don Larsen Doug Sandom (Who Drummer) Eddie Harty (Jockey/Trainer) Eddie Holland Eddie Stobart Edgar Ray Killen (d. 2018) Edward De Bono Elsie Robson (Lady) Erich von Daniken Esther Ofarim Doris Day Felix Silla Francoise Gilot Frank Windsor Gary Glitter Gene Chandler George A Cooper Georgia Holt Gershon Kingsley Gloria Vanderbilt Glynis Johns Hal Holbrook Hannah Hauxwell (d. 2018) Herb Stempel Irving Kanarek Jack Elliott (Ramblin') Jack Thompson (Aus actor) James Galway Janet Mead Jean Coutu Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg Jerry Maren (d. 2018) Jimmy James (Singer) Joe Brown (climber) John Asquith (?) John Astin John Gavin (d. 2018) John Mallory (?) (George Mallory's son) John Patler Joseph Kittinger II Joseph Marcell Josip Elic Joss Ackland Ken Nordine Kenneth Anger Lamont Dozier Leonard Fenton Lily Ebert (Holocaust Survivor) Lisa Loring Lloyd Price Lucy Greenwood Lynda La Plante Lyndon LaRouche

Footie Legend Jim Baxter's son Steven, died on 30 December: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2035853/rangers-legend-jim-baxter-son-steven-baxter-dies/

This is the list I sent to Vaagheid. Yeah, I know, I know. 01. Rev Billy Graham (d. 21 February 2018) 02. George Bush Senior (d. 30 November 2018) 03. Olivia de Havilland 04. John McCain (d. 25 August 2018) 05. Prince Philip 06. Vera Lynn 07. John Hume 08. Bob Dole 09. Sidney Poitier 10. Leah Bracknell 11. Herman Wouk 12. Pope Benedict XVI 13. Barbara Bush (d. 17 April 2018) 14. Dilip Kumar 15. Alberto Fujimori 16. Javier Perez de Cuellar 17. Kirk Douglas 18. Peter Carrington (d. 9 July 2018) 19. Denis Norden (d. 19 September 2018) 20. Leslie Phillips 21. Stefan Karl Stefansson (d. 21 August 2018) 22. Franco Zeffirelli 23. Dick Van Dyke 24. Nobby Stiles 25. Murray Walker 26. Nicholas Parsons 27. Frank Bough 28. June Whitfield (d. 28 December 2018) 29. Norman Tebbit 30. Jacques Chirac 31. Stephen Hawking (d. 14 March 2018) 32. Aretha Franklin (d. 16 August 2018) 33. Robert Mugabe 34. Terry Jones 35. Sumner Redstone 36. Gloria Vanderbilt 37. Yoko Ono 38. Burt Reynolds (d. 6 September 2018) 39. Bernard Cribbins 40. Clive James 41. Rolf Harris 42. Valerie Harper 43. Ken Dodd (d. 11 March 2018) 44. Bob Hawke 45. Ennio Morricone 46. Charles Aznavour (d. 1 October 2018) 47. Jerry Maren (d. 30 May 2018) 48. Vic Damone (d. 11 February 2018) 49. Michael Caine 50. Shane MacGowan

And now the job of updating my signature. Oh, joy unconfined....