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And you said you weren't a Trekkie...

5 categories done. 5 categories submitted to Biblio yesterday. Biblio to create thread within days. Patience my young Padawan. Scotty - Beam me up.

As I said, I've got the same for Seasons 2 and 3, but haven't yet had time to upload it.

Posted this in the Yanks Science Fiction thread, not realising there was a Star Trek thread, despite searching. @time steered me right, so I'll re-post here: Following on from the death of John Winston announced last month (seemingly only posted elsewhere on here), I thought I'd take a look at how Star Trek's doing. Obviously quite a few of the notables have passed away (Roddenberry, Majel Barrett, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, Whitney, Lenard), but a few are still with us, plus a whole host of bit-part players and guest performers. I've done research into all three seasons of The Original Series and may do more of the series and films (although I had a look at The Motion Picture and after the principals there's shedloads of extras and single scene actors so it may be tricky to work out who's worth doing). Here's an (I hope) exhaustive list of everyone still with us from Season 1 of The Original Series, organised by age with those I have little to no idea of at the bottom. I'll add Seasons 2 and 3 when I get a chance. I've included some notes, where relevant and apologies for any inconsistencies, it was quite hard work! William Shatner (Captain James T. Kirk) – 22/3/31 (89) Nichelle Nicholls (Lieutenant Uhura) – 28/12/32 (87) George Takei (Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu) – 20/4/37 (83) Walter Koenig (Ensign Pavel Chekov) – 14/9/36 (83) Marc Adams (Hamlet in The Conscience of the King) – 9/10/25 (94) Memory Alpha (Star Trek wiki) suggests he’s still alive but last reference to him is from 2005 Robert Brown (Lazarus in The Alternative Factor) – 17/11/26 (93) Tom Troupe (Lieutenant Harold in Arena) – 15/7/28 (91) William Sargent (Dr Thomas Leighton in The Conscience of the King) – 28/11/30 (89) Currently resides in Salt Lake City according to Memory Alpha John Gabriel (Crewman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 25/5/31 (89) Christopher Held (Sociologist Lindstrom in The Return of the Archons) – 19/9/31 (88) Appears to also go by the name Carl Held Emily Banks (Yeoman Tonia Barrows in Shore Leave) – 23/1/33 (87) Robert Sampson (Sar 6 in A Taste of Armageddon) – 10/5/33 (87) Michael Barrier (Lieutenant DeSalle in The Squire of Gothos, This Side of Paradise and Catspaw) – 8/7/33 (87) Brief acting career, later entered the legal profession, becoming a legal officer for the US Coast Guard in Long Beach, CA, as of 2007 was a substitute teacher in southern Washington according to Memory Alpha William Knight (Amorous Crewman in The Naked Time) – 6/12/33 (87) Shirley Boone (Ruth in Shore Leave) – 22/5/34 (86) Ralph Maurer (Bilar in The Return of the Archons, S.S. Lieutenant in Patterns of Force) – 20/10/33 (86) Joan Swift (Aurelan Kirk in Operation: Annihilate!) – 11/5/33 (87) Joan Collins (Sister Edith Keeler in City on the Edge of Forever) – 23/5/33 (87) Ena Hartman (Crew Woman No. 2 in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 1/4/35 (85) Bruce Mars (Crewman No. 1 in The Corbomite Maneuver, Finnegan in Shore Leave and First Policeman in Assignment: Earth) – 23/10/35 (84) Now known as Brother Paramananda, a monk of the Self-Realization Fellowship Gary Combs (Gorn in Arena, Klingon Guard in Errand of Mercy) – 13/12/35 (84) Budd Albright (Security Guard Rayburn in What Are Little Girls Made Of?) – 18/8/36 (83) Bobby Clark (Gorn in Arena, Chekov’s Henchman #2 in Mirror, Mirror and Native in The Apple) – 12/2/37 (83) Gary Lockwood (Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 21/2/37 (83) Barbara Babcock (Mea 3 in A Taste of Armageddon, Beta 5 Computer Voice in Assignment: Earth, Voice of Loskene in The Tholian Web and Philana in Plato’s Stepchildren) – 27/2/37 (83) Sally Kellerman (Dr. Elizabeth Dehner in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 2/6/37 (83) Larry Anthony (Mr Berkley in Dagger of the Mind) – 11/11/37 (82) Abandoned acting and became a ballistics expert, working in the Philadelphia police department Barbara Baldavin (Lieutenant Angela Martine in Balance of Terror and Shore Leave and Communications Officer Lisa in Turnabout Intruder) – 18/10/38 (81) Stephen Mines (Lieutenant Robert Tomlinson in Balance of Terror) – 3/2/39 (81) David L. Ross (Guard in The Return of the Archons and The Trouble with Tribbles and Lieutenant Galloway in A Taste of Armageddon, City on the Edge of Forever, The Omega Glory and Turnabout Intruder and Lieutenant Johnson in Day of the Dove) – 24/4/39 (81) Miko Mayama (Yeoman Tamura in A Taste of Armageddon) – 15/8/39 (80) Eddie Paskey (Lieutenant Leslie in 32 episodes, Connors in The Enemy Within, Crewman in This Side of Paradise, Trooper in Patterns of Force) – 20/8/39 (80) Dick Scotter (Lieutenant Painter in This Side of Paradise) – 22/1/40 (80) Gloria Calomee (Crew Woman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 5/9/40 (79) Andrea Dromm (Yeoman Smith in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 18/2/41 (79) Mittie Lawrence (Crew Woman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 1/9/41 (78) Sean Morgan (Crewman in The Corbomite Maneuver, Ensign Harper in The Ultimate Computer, Lieutenant O’Neil in The Tholian Web) – 1941 (79) according to Memory Alpha Marianna Hill (Lieutenant Helen Noel in Dagger of the Mind) – 9/2/42 (78) Sherry Jackson (Andrea in What Are Little Girls Made Of?) – 15/2/42 (78) Laurel Goodwin (Yeoman J.M. Colt in The Cage and The Menagerie) – 11/8/42 (78) – only known survivor of the original pilot Sean Kenney (Fleet Captain Pike in The Menagerie, Lieutenant DePaul in Arena and A Taste of Armageddon) – 13/3/44 (76) Susan Denberg (Magda Kovacs in Mudd’s Women) – 2/8/44 (76) Patricia McNulty (Yeoman Tina Lawton in Charlie X) – 13/8/45 (75) Barbara Anderson (Lenore Karidian in The Conscience of the King) – 27/11/45 (74) Kim Darby (Miri in Miri) – 8/7/47 (73) Better known as Mattie Ross, the girl in the original True Grit Maggie Thrett (Ruth Bonaventure in Mudd’s Women) – 18/11/46 (73) Susanne Wasson (Lethe in Dagger of the Mind – 19/9/?? (DOB from Memory Alpha, no year given, reports on the death of her lesbian partner of “40 years” in 2010, which would put her at 20+ in 1970, so makes her 70+ now) Dawn Roddenberry (“Child” in Miri) – 31/8/53 (66) Daughter of Gene Roddenberry Stephen McEveety (“Child” in Miri) – 4/11/54 (65) Now a film producer Craig Hundley (Peter Kirk in Operation: Annihilate!, Tommy Starnes in And the Children Shall Lead) – 1954 (66) Also known as Craig Huxley, more a musician than an actor in later life, worked on the soundtrack to 10 Cloverfield Lane in 2016 Iona Morris (“Child in Miri) – 23/5/57 (63) Still acting, sister of Phillip Morris Phillip Morris (“Child” in Miri) – 4/4/59 (61) Still acting Clint Howard (Balok in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 20/4/59 (61) Brother of Ron Howard Kellie Flanagan (“Child” in Miri) – 15/10/59 (60) Not acted since 1960s but married since 1995 with a child Lisabeth Shatner (“Child” in Miri) – 6/6/61 (59) Daughter of William Shatner Scott Whitney/Dweck (“Child” in Miri) – 23/4/57 (63) Son of Grace Lee Whitney [Yeoman Janice Rand], now an airline pilot Melanie Shatner (“Child” in Miri) – 1/8/64 (55) Daughter of William Shatner Edward Madden (Fisher in The Cage and The Enemy Within) – unknown but hasn’t acted since 1978 John Bellah (Crewman I in Charlie X, Laughing Crewman in The Naked Time) – unknown, last had meaningful work in 1987 but v/o in 2010 and extra in 2014 Jerry Foxworth (Guard in Mudd’s Women) – unknown, only acting credit on IMDB David Ross (Security Guard #1 in Miri and Transporter Chief in The Galileo Seven) – unknown, results only come up for an English actor but no evidence that’s the guy Irene Sale (Louise in Miri) – unknown, Memory Alpha refers to her in past tense but no obits or death dates Keith Taylor (“Child” in Miri) – unknown, last acting credit in 1987 John Arndt (First Crewman in Dagger of the Mind and Fields in Balance of Terror) – unknown, IMDB lists him in the present tense but last credit was Diagnosis: Murder in 1994 William (Bill) Blackburn (Lieutenant Hadley in 32 episodes, Lieutenant Blackburn in The Apple) – unknown Tom Lupo (Security Guard in The Menagerie and The Alternative Factor) – unknown, also worked as a stunt man according to IMDB Marcia Brown (Alice in Shore Leave) – unknown, IMDB refers to in present tense Jim Spencer (USAF Air Policeman in Tomorrow is Yesterday) – unknown, only a couple of credits besides this, including 2 in Gilligan’s Island Sherri Townsend (Crew Woman in Tomorrow is Yesterday) – unknown, only known acting role Winston (Win) De Lugo (Lieutenant Timothy in Court Martial) – unknown, according to IMDB he was acting in short films by his son as recently as 2016/2017 though Alice Rawlings (Jamie Finney in Court Martial) – unknown, no acting credits since 1968 Nancy Wong (Personnel Officer in Court Martial) – unknown, no acting credits since 1972 Bart Conrad (Captain Krasnovsky in Court Martial) – unknown, last known acting role and judging by age in pictures almost certainly dead Mark Tobin (Joaquin in Space Seed, Klingon in Day of the Dove) – unknown, last credit on IMDB is from 2011 and referred to in present tense Kathy Ahart (Augment Kati in Space Seed) – unknown, only known acting role George E. Allen (Engineer #1 in The Devil in the Dark) – unknown John Cavett (Guard in The Devil in the Dark) – unknown, only known acting role Christian Patrick (Transporter Chief in The Alternative Factor) – unknown, only known acting role Maurishka Taliaferro (Yeoman Zahra in Operation: Annihiliate!) – unknown, model and sometime actress, only appeared in this episode Any info from anybody is of course much appreciated, obviously a lot of these I doubt would get a QO, but included them all for completeness. Hope it's useful, and as I said I'll add the other 2 seasons of TOS when I get a chance.

Searched for "Star Trek" got loads of links to anything with "star" in. Searched for "trek" on it's own, got sent here all the way down the first search page. Not a single mention of Star Trek anywhere in the title or description, maybe there's the clue. Anyway, good job it fits in here too isn't it, and better still I can copy and paste for completeness.

There would be poetic justice in this, but equally RBG is proper liberal, Garland was purposefully someone who could command bipartisan support, so more middle of the road with liberal leanings, making him more obviously confirmable to highlight how disingenuous the Senate were being. If @Greenwald above is correct (and I haven't looked into the electoral picture in a little while and after 2016 don't really trust it anyway) and the Dems win both the White House and Senate, I can see them picking someone more akin to a 40-year-old RBG than 67-year-old Merrick Garland - why settle for 20-25 years on the court when you could get 50?

One is using a walking frame to stand up, the other is holding a sword up in the air and still standing up, I think that answers the question on who's more frail. Point of interest: wonder when the last time was she knighted someone older than herself? Dame Angela Lansbury maybe? Actually, didn't Dame Olivia only get hers relatively recently?

Following on from the death of John Winston announced last month, and my slightly incomplete list of the oldest living actors from Doctor Who, I thought I'd take a look at how Star Trek's doing. Obviously quite a few of the notables have passed away (Roddenberry, Majel Barrett, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, Whitney, Lenard), but a few are still with us, plus a whole host of bit-part players and guest performers. I'm slightly surprised there isn't a thread for the franchise, but I'm keeping Sean happy and not creating one at this time (an admin can spin this off at some point if they want to). Anyway, I've done research into all three seasons of The Original Series and may do more of the series and films (although I had a look at The Motion Picture and after the principals there's shedloads of extras and single scene actors so it may be tricky to work out who's worth doing). Here's an (I hope) exhaustive list of everyone still with us from Season 1 of The Original Series, organised by age with those I have little to no idea of at the bottom. I'll add Seasons 2 and 3 when I get a chance. I've included some notes, where relevant and apologies for any inconsistencies, it was quite hard work! William Shatner (Captain James T. Kirk) – 22/3/31 (89) Nichelle Nicholls (Lieutenant Uhura) – 28/12/32 (87) George Takei (Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu) – 20/4/37 (83) Walter Koenig (Ensign Pavel Chekov) – 14/9/36 (83) Marc Adams (Hamlet in The Conscience of the King) – 9/10/25 (94) Memory Alpha (Star Trek wiki) suggests he’s still alive but last reference to him is from 2005 Robert Brown (Lazarus in The Alternative Factor) – 17/11/26 (93) Tom Troupe (Lieutenant Harold in Arena) – 15/7/28 (91) William Sargent (Dr Thomas Leighton in The Conscience of the King) – 28/11/30 (89) Currently resides in Salt Lake City according to Memory Alpha John Gabriel (Crewman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 25/5/31 (89) Christopher Held (Sociologist Lindstrom in The Return of the Archons) – 19/9/31 (88) Appears to also go by the name Carl Held Emily Banks (Yeoman Tonia Barrows in Shore Leave) – 23/1/33 (87) Robert Sampson (Sar 6 in A Taste of Armageddon) – 10/5/33 (87) Michael Barrier (Lieutenant DeSalle in The Squire of Gothos, This Side of Paradise and Catspaw) – 8/7/33 (87) Brief acting career, later entered the legal profession, becoming a legal officer for the US Coast Guard in Long Beach, CA, as of 2007 was a substitute teacher in southern Washington according to Memory Alpha William Knight (Amorous Crewman in The Naked Time) – 6/12/33 (87) Shirley Boone (Ruth in Shore Leave) – 22/5/34 (86) Ralph Maurer (Bilar in The Return of the Archons, S.S. Lieutenant in Patterns of Force) – 20/10/33 (86) Joan Swift (Aurelan Kirk in Operation: Annihilate!) – 11/5/33 (87) Joan Collins (Sister Edith Keeler in City on the Edge of Forever) – 23/5/33 (87) Ena Hartman (Crew Woman No. 2 in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 1/4/35 (85) Bruce Mars (Crewman No. 1 in The Corbomite Maneuver, Finnegan in Shore Leave and First Policeman in Assignment: Earth) – 23/10/35 (84) Now known as Brother Paramananda, a monk of the Self-Realization Fellowship Gary Combs (Gorn in Arena, Klingon Guard in Errand of Mercy) – 13/12/35 (84) Budd Albright (Security Guard Rayburn in What Are Little Girls Made Of?) – 18/8/36 (83) Bobby Clark (Gorn in Arena, Chekov’s Henchman #2 in Mirror, Mirror and Native in The Apple) – 12/2/37 (83) Gary Lockwood (Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 21/2/37 (83) Barbara Babcock (Mea 3 in A Taste of Armageddon, Beta 5 Computer Voice in Assignment: Earth, Voice of Loskene in The Tholian Web and Philana in Plato’s Stepchildren) – 27/2/37 (83) Sally Kellerman (Dr. Elizabeth Dehner in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 2/6/37 (83) Larry Anthony (Mr Berkley in Dagger of the Mind) – 11/11/37 (82) Abandoned acting and became a ballistics expert, working in the Philadelphia police department Barbara Baldavin (Lieutenant Angela Martine in Balance of Terror and Shore Leave and Communications Officer Lisa in Turnabout Intruder) – 18/10/38 (81) Stephen Mines (Lieutenant Robert Tomlinson in Balance of Terror) – 3/2/39 (81) David L. Ross (Guard in The Return of the Archons and The Trouble with Tribbles and Lieutenant Galloway in A Taste of Armageddon, City on the Edge of Forever, The Omega Glory and Turnabout Intruder and Lieutenant Johnson in Day of the Dove) – 24/4/39 (81) Miko Mayama (Yeoman Tamura in A Taste of Armageddon) – 15/8/39 (80) Eddie Paskey (Lieutenant Leslie in 32 episodes, Connors in The Enemy Within, Crewman in This Side of Paradise, Trooper in Patterns of Force) – 20/8/39 (80) Dick Scotter (Lieutenant Painter in This Side of Paradise) – 22/1/40 (80) Gloria Calomee (Crew Woman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 5/9/40 (79) Andrea Dromm (Yeoman Smith in Where No Man Has Gone Before) – 18/2/41 (79) Mittie Lawrence (Crew Woman in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 1/9/41 (78) Sean Morgan (Crewman in The Corbomite Maneuver, Ensign Harper in The Ultimate Computer, Lieutenant O’Neil in The Tholian Web) – 1941 (79) according to Memory Alpha Marianna Hill (Lieutenant Helen Noel in Dagger of the Mind) – 9/2/42 (78) Sherry Jackson (Andrea in What Are Little Girls Made Of?) – 15/2/42 (78) Laurel Goodwin (Yeoman J.M. Colt in The Cage and The Menagerie) – 11/8/42 (78) – only known survivor of the original pilot Sean Kenney (Fleet Captain Pike in The Menagerie, Lieutenant DePaul in Arena and A Taste of Armageddon) – 13/3/44 (76) Susan Denberg (Magda Kovacs in Mudd’s Women) – 2/8/44 (76) Patricia McNulty (Yeoman Tina Lawton in Charlie X) – 13/8/45 (75) Barbara Anderson (Lenore Karidian in The Conscience of the King) – 27/11/45 (74) Kim Darby (Miri in Miri) – 8/7/47 (73) Better known as Mattie Ross, the girl in the original True Grit Maggie Thrett (Ruth Bonaventure in Mudd’s Women) – 18/11/46 (73) Susanne Wasson (Lethe in Dagger of the Mind – 19/9/?? (DOB from Memory Alpha, no year given, reports on the death of her lesbian partner of “40 years” in 2010, which would put her at 20+ in 1970, so makes her 70+ now) Dawn Roddenberry (“Child” in Miri) – 31/8/53 (66) Daughter of Gene Roddenberry Stephen McEveety (“Child” in Miri) – 4/11/54 (65) Now a film producer Craig Hundley (Peter Kirk in Operation: Annihilate!, Tommy Starnes in And the Children Shall Lead) – 1954 (66) Also known as Craig Huxley, more a musician than an actor in later life, worked on the soundtrack to 10 Cloverfield Lane in 2016 Iona Morris (“Child in Miri) – 23/5/57 (63) Still acting, sister of Phillip Morris Phillip Morris (“Child” in Miri) – 4/4/59 (61) Still acting Clint Howard (Balok in The Corbomite Maneuver) – 20/4/59 (61) Brother of Ron Howard Kellie Flanagan (“Child” in Miri) – 15/10/59 (60) Not acted since 1960s but married since 1995 with a child Lisabeth Shatner (“Child” in Miri) – 6/6/61 (59) Daughter of William Shatner Scott Whitney/Dweck (“Child” in Miri) – 23/4/57 (63) Son of Grace Lee Whitney [Yeoman Janice Rand], now an airline pilot Melanie Shatner (“Child” in Miri) – 1/8/64 (55) Daughter of William Shatner Edward Madden (Fisher in The Cage and The Enemy Within) – unknown but hasn’t acted since 1978 John Bellah (Crewman I in Charlie X, Laughing Crewman in The Naked Time) – unknown, last had meaningful work in 1987 but v/o in 2010 and extra in 2014 Jerry Foxworth (Guard in Mudd’s Women) – unknown, only acting credit on IMDB David Ross (Security Guard #1 in Miri and Transporter Chief in The Galileo Seven) – unknown, results only come up for an English actor but no evidence that’s the guy Irene Sale (Louise in Miri) – unknown, Memory Alpha refers to her in past tense but no obits or death dates Keith Taylor (“Child” in Miri) – unknown, last acting credit in 1987 John Arndt (First Crewman in Dagger of the Mind and Fields in Balance of Terror) – unknown, IMDB lists him in the present tense but last credit was Diagnosis: Murder in 1994 William (Bill) Blackburn (Lieutenant Hadley in 32 episodes, Lieutenant Blackburn in The Apple) – unknown Tom Lupo (Security Guard in The Menagerie and The Alternative Factor) – unknown, also worked as a stunt man according to IMDB Marcia Brown (Alice in Shore Leave) – unknown, IMDB refers to in present tense Jim Spencer (USAF Air Policeman in Tomorrow is Yesterday) – unknown, only a couple of credits besides this, including 2 in Gilligan’s Island Sherri Townsend (Crew Woman in Tomorrow is Yesterday) – unknown, only known acting role Winston (Win) De Lugo (Lieutenant Timothy in Court Martial) – unknown, according to IMDB he was acting in short films by his son as recently as 2016/2017 though Alice Rawlings (Jamie Finney in Court Martial) – unknown, no acting credits since 1968 Nancy Wong (Personnel Officer in Court Martial) – unknown, no acting credits since 1972 Bart Conrad (Captain Krasnovsky in Court Martial) – unknown, last known acting role and judging by age in pictures almost certainly dead Mark Tobin (Joaquin in Space Seed, Klingon in Day of the Dove) – unknown, last credit on IMDB is from 2011 and referred to in present tense Kathy Ahart (Augment Kati in Space Seed) – unknown, only known acting role George E. Allen (Engineer #1 in The Devil in the Dark) – unknown John Cavett (Guard in The Devil in the Dark) – unknown, only known acting role Christian Patrick (Transporter Chief in The Alternative Factor) – unknown, only known acting role Maurishka Taliaferro (Yeoman Zahra in Operation: Annihiliate!) – unknown, model and sometime actress, only appeared in this episode Any info from anybody is of course much appreciated, obviously a lot of these I doubt would get a QO, but included them all for completeness. I'm just waiting now for @msc to point out the 20-odd people I've missed so far!

Seven months, RBG, just hang on seven months... (God help them if he wins again, though)

I hear good things about Square Space, but I have no personal experience, just various recommendations that are of no use to me!

She wants $5m bail granting as she's worried about contracting Covid in prison (surely that's her best outcome?): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53370960

Many thanks msc. I can tell you exactly what happened after looking through your names - when I did my research 4 years ago, I went through Wikipedia and clicked everyone with a page to get a DOB. That gave me 885 names so I didn't bother looking up the people who didn't have wiki pages, not least because the chances of them earning a QO were slim to none in many cases. I did have Philip Latham on my list though, so he passed that test, if seemingly not in real life! I haven't updated it since I did the research, which would be around first series Peter Capaldi (Dark Water/Death in Heaven) so there's bound to be a few more to add on the cusp if I do some research into later Capaldi/Whittaker. I'm loathe to comment as I'm sure msc will have a younger option! Emilia Jones who played Merry in The Rings of Akhaten (2013) is 18 now and Isabella Blake-Thomas who played "Child" in The Bells of Saint John (2013) is 17. Taking it a step further, the twins who played Melody Pond in A Good Man Goes to War (2011) will be approaching double figures now, and I'm guessing there have been other babies in more recently too (did Clara have a baby in one of her many "future with Danny" scenes?) Young Davros was played by Joey Price. He's be about 13-15 now?

There was more than a little tongue in my cheek about that remark to be fair. And policy-wise, I agree they're both awful. But at least GWB gave a passing impression of a politician prepared to at least go through the motions of appearing interested in policy, Trump just treats the whole job as an unnecessary complication to him being able to do whatever he wants. Frankly, whether Biden wins or loses in November, I don't see the US healing any time soon. And if you think Trump goes away if he loses then that's a pipe dream. He'll either set up his own TV network (as was supposedly the plan once he lost in 2016) or I could see him buying Fox News (I'm sure Murdoch could be tempted, he's not getting any younger) and then we get non-stop bullshit about how Joe Biden really died and has been replaced by a Chinese agent or how Hillary Clinton was responsible for coronavirus, all while Ivanka prepares her ground game for 2028...

My apologies, I assumed you were interested in serious political discussion, not half-baked claptrap. At least I know for next time.

Just been perusing this thread, so apologies for being a few days old but after Earl Cameron's death, I was looking at the research I did for Round 1 of Biblio's Scavenger Hunt Bingo (Doctor Who actors). By my reckoning, since I compiled the list in 2016, we've lost the oldest 5 living Doctor Who actors (of which Cameron was the oldest): Earl Cameron, Richard Beale, Peter Sallis, Dudley Simpson and Nicolas Parsons, plus plenty more from the top 20 or 30. I believe (and I'm sure someone on here will correct me if I'm wrong) the oldest living Doctor Who actors now are: 1. Arnold Yarrow (100) - Bellal in Death to the Daleks (1974) 2. Donald Pelmear (96) - Professor Rubeish in The Time Warrior (1973/74) 3. Laurie Webb (96) - Mr Ollis in The Three Doctors (1973) 4. David Graham (96) - Professor Kerensky in City of Death (1979), plus other roles including voices of the Daleks (and Parker in Thunderbirds) 5. William Russell (95) - Ian Chesterton, companion of the First Doctor 6. Morris Perry (95) - Captain Dent in Colony in Space (1971) 7. Ysanne Churchman (95) - Alpha Centuari in The Curse of Peladon (1972) and The Monster of Peladon (1974) 8. Andre Maranne (94) - Benoit in The Moonbase (1967) 9. Gregg Palmer (94?) - Cyberman in The Tenth Planet (1966) 9. David de Keyser (93) - Voice of the Atraxi in The Eleventh Hour (2010) 10. June Brown (93) - Lady Eleanor in The Time Warrior (1973/74) 11. Geoffrey Palmer (93) - Masters in Doctor Who and the Silurians (1970), Administrator in The Mutants and Captain Hardaker in Voyage of the Damned (2007) 12. Graham Rigby (93) - Larry in The Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964) 13. Derek Smith (93) - Doorman in Human Nature (2007) 14. Wendy Danvers (93?) - Amazonia in The Curse of Peladon (1972) - status unknown 15. Frank Windsor (92) - Ranulf in The King's Demons (1983) and Inspector Mackenzie in Ghost Light (1989) 16. Peter Cellier (92) - Andrews in Time-Flight (1982) 17. Michael Craig (92) - Commodore Travers in The Trial of a Time Lord: Terror of the Vervoids (1986) 18. Mark Eden (92) - Marco Polo in Marco Polo (1964) 19. Georgine Anderson (92) - May in Gridlock (2007) 20. Bernard Cribbins (91) - Wilfrid Mott, companion of the Tenth Doctor (plus other Who roles) 21. Frank Mills (91) - Radio Telescope Director in Terror of the Autons (1971) 22. John Nettleton (91) - Reverend Ernest Matthews in Ghost Light (1989) 23. Damaris Hayman (91) - Miss Hawthorne in The Daemons (1971) 24. Thelma Barlow (91) - Lady Thaw in The Lazarus Experiment (2007) 25. Steve Machin (91) - Various parts in Old Who 26. Patricia Prior (91) - Mr Ollis in The Three Doctors (1973) 27. John Woodvine (90) - The Marshal in The Armageddon Factor (1979) 28. Colin Jeavons (90) - Damon in The Underwater Menace (1967) 29. Clifford Rose (90) - Rorvik in Warriors' Gate (1981) 30. Roy Evans (90) - Trantis in The Daleks' Master Plan (1965/66), Bert in The Green Death (1973) and Miner in The Monster of Peladon (1974) 31. Henry Woolf (90) - The Collector in The Sun Makers (1977) 32. Shirley Cooklin (90) - Kaftan in Tomb of the Cybermen (1968) 33. Gary Watson (90) - Arthur Terrall in The Evil of the Daleks (1967) 34. David Garfield (90) - Neeva in The Face of Evil (1977) and Von Weich in The War Games (1969) 35. Lilias Walker (90) - Sister Lamont in Terror of the Zygons (1975) 36. John Rolfe (90) - Soldier in The War Machines (1966) Sam in The Moonbase (1967) and Fell in The Green Death (1973) 37. Alan Curtis (89) - Major Green in The War Machines (1966) I think that's all the living Doctor Who actors who are over the age of 90. Hope this is useful. Special mention for Barbara Clegg (94) - writer of Enlightenment (1983) EDITED to include @msc's more *complete* research...

Don't necessarily disagree with your point, but the American electoral system really isn't designed for more than 2 parties. The Electoral College requires a 270-268 majority as a minimum to win and if nobody reaches the threshold then the House of Representatives chooses the president (which obviously ruins a third party's chances as the House will be either Democrat or Republican majority). It last happened in 1824, by the way. The last time there was a serious third party challenge was in 1912 when Teddy Roosevelt re-entered the political frame as the 'Bull Moose' candidate to challenge his Republican successor William Howard Taft. Roosevelt finished second in the Electoral College but only received 88 votes (Woodrow Wilson won with over 400), but between them Roosevelt and Taft earned over 50% of the popular vote (Wilson's popular vote is the lowest percentage-wise since Lincoln's just before the Civil War). More recently, Ross Perot probably made the difference to Clinton beating Bush in 1992 and I'm sure you're familiar with the claims that a few thousand Nader votes in Flordia cost Gore the 2000 election, although neither of those won votes in the Electoral College. We live in a multi-party world but most political systems are built for two parties - government and opposition and until that changes, someone will lose out if there's more than 2 contenders.

You show very little understanding of US politics in that post if I may be so bold. Joe Biden has been a centrist throughout his career. He's always been popular among the unions that are vital to winning the rust belt in the Midwest that killed Hillary's chances 4 years ago. Sanders and Gabbard are vastly to the left of Biden - Sanders wants medicare for all and a green new deal. I don't know enough about Yang to comment. I think it's perfectly plausible that Trump wins again. I also don't think Biden was the strongest candidate this time around by a long way. But your argument seems to revolve around the Democrats being too left wing and out of touch with the American people, and then in the same breath suggest that Sanders and Gabbard are more in touch with the American people - seriously? This is a country that sees socialists in the same way as anarchists. There is also no way that Biden is more 'erratic, racist and stupid' than Trump. He was a longtime member of both the Senate Judiciary Committee and Senate Foreign Relations Committee, serving as Chairman of both and ranking member in between (when the Democrats didn't hold power). He was also Vice President for 8 years without serious incident. He has always had the ability to put his foot in it and has some very unhelpful views on race (as you'd expect from a nearly 78 year old white man) but his opponent promotes white supremacist content and has been recorded bragging about sexual assault. Compared to a competent politician, Biden comes some way down the list of desirable presidents (he barely got out of the starting gates on two previous runs for President) but compared to Trump, Biden is like manna from heaven, which is more a damning indictment of what Trump has done to the presidency than it is of what Biden brings to the table. Who'd have thought we'd look back on the days of Dubya with fondness?

More detail on the above proposals: plans to model his Presidency on Wakanda from the MCU, "still has to do research" on his foreign policy and tax plan (tiny areas really in the grand scheme of things). Will decide whether he's running in 2020 or 2024 this month. Definitely not doing it for album publicity though. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53332251

Big problem is if he gets over it quickly, it will only serve to prove himself correct in his eyes - nothing to worry about, why are you all moaning?!

Couldn't happen to a nicer despot.

Ask and ye shall receive: (deaths in bold, ineligible struck out, uniques asterisked *) (DW = Dr Who, HL = House of Lords, US = Presidents and spouses, TC = Test Cricket, #1 = Hit Artists) Switch: DW - Tom Baker, Sonny Caldinez*, Ysanne Churchman*, Richard Franklin, Hugh Futcher*, HL - Bertram Bowyer (2nd Baron Denham), Lord Carrington, Charles Lyell*, Malcolm Mitchell-Thompson, David Trefgarne*, US - John B. Anderson, Ed Clark*, Bob Dole, Lyndon LaRouche, Walter Mondale, TC - Roy Miller, Don Smith, Lindsay Tuckett, John Watkins (South Africa), Everton Weekes, #1 - Tony Bennett, Doris Day, Vera Lynn, Kay Starr, Jimmy Young YoungWillz: DW - Prentis Hancock*, Milton Johns, Leslie Schofield*, Gabriel Woolf*, Henry Woolf, HL - Lord Carrington, Patrick Jenkin, Colin Sharman*, Francis Tombs, Helen Warnock, US - George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, TC - Dennis Amiss*, Jimmy Binks*, Len Maddocks, Fred Rumsey*, Everton Weekes, #1 - Kiki Dee*, Ken Dodd, Chris Farlowe, Smokey Robinson*, Bill Wyman* RadGuy: DW – Tom Baker, Richard Franklin, Jean Marsh, Sylvester McCoy*, William Russell, HL – Bertram Bowyer (2nd Baron Denham), Lord Carrington, Alun Gwynne Jones (Baron Chalfont), Pamela Sharples, Viscount Slim, US - Barbara Bush, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, TC – Roy Miller, Don Smith, Lindsay Tuckett, John Watkins (South Africa), Everton Weekes, #1 – Doris Day, Vera Lynn, Paul McCartney, Sinead O’Connor*, Kay Starr Time: DW – Tony Caunter*, Julian Glover, Frazer Hines*, Milton Johns, Jean Marsh, HL – Lord Carrington, Lydia Dunn*, Marcia Williams (Baroness Falkender), Malcolm Mitchell-Thompson, Viscount Slim, US – Jimmy Carter, Rosalynn Carter, Dick Cheney, Lyndon LaRouche, Walter Mondale, TC – Nari Contractor*, Doug Insole, Rohan Kanhai, Imran Khan*, Peter Pollock*, #1 – Pat Boone, Billy Connelly, Doris Day, Vera Lynn, Tommy Steele* ImNotHades: DW – Claire Bloom*, John Hurt, Katy Manning*, Jean Marsh, William Russell, HL - Bertram Bowyer (2nd Baron Denham), Lord Carrington, Earl of Crawford, John McCluskey, Pamela Sharples, US – Barbara Bush, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Rosalynn Carter, Walter Mondale, TC – Bob Barber*, Roy Miller, Don Smith, Lindsay Tuckett, John Watkins (South Africa), #1 – Harry Belafonte, Tony Bennett, Barry Gibb*, Vera Lynn, George Michael* msc: DW – Geoffrey Bayldon, Honor Blackman*, David Gooderson*, Donald Pelmear*, Antony Webb*, HL – Betty Lockwood, Wendy Nicol, Gwilym Prys-Davies, John Sainsbury, Michael Sandberg, US – Dick Cheney, Lynne Cheney*, Bob Dole, Tipper Gore*, Walter Mondale, TC – Imtiaz Ahmed, Somachandra de Silva, Don Smith, Lindsay Tuckett, Everton Weekes, #1 – Pat Boone, Vic Damone, Tab Hunter, Kay Starr, Jimmy Young Deathray: DW – Tom Baker, Bernard Cribbins*, Derek Jacobi*, Peter Purvis*, William Russell, HL – Baroness Trumpington*, Lord Carrington, Alun Gwynne Jones (Baron Chalfont), Pamela Sharples, Neville Wigram*, US – George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Ralph Nader*, Barack Obama*, Willie Mae Reid*, TC – Len Maddocks, John Richard Reid, James Taylor*, Lindsay Tuckett, Shane Warne*, #1 – Tony Bennett, Vera Lynn, Paul McCartney, Keith Richards*, Kay Starr Handrejka: DW - June Brown*, Ken Dodd, Bella Emberg, Richard Franklin, Henry Woolf, HL – Betty Boothroyd*, Basil Feldman*, Betty Lockwood, Donald Nicholls*, Randolph Quirk*, US – Barbara Bush, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, TC – Graham Dowling*, John Edrich, Waqar Hassan*, Dick Richardson*, Ian Sinclair*, #1 – Marcia Barrett*, Billy Connelly, Dave Davies*, Windsor Davies*, Judith Durham* Rockhopper Penguin: DW – John Cleese*, Julian Glover, Nerys Hughes*, Catherine Schell*, Peter Wyngarde*, HL – Lord Carrington, John Eden, William Goodhart, Francis Tombs, Shirley Williams*, US – John B. Anderson, Barbara Bush, Pat Choate*, Michael Dukakis, Ross Perot, TC – Ian Botham*, Somachandra da Silva, Doug Insole, Lindsay Tuckett, Everton Weekes, #1 – Petula Clark*, Plas Johnson, Eden Kane*, John Leyton*, Mike Sarne* Death Impends: DW – Earl Cameron*, Mark Eden*, William Russell, Peter Sallis, Laurie Webb*, HL - Earl of Snowden, Lord Carrington, Douglas Hurd*, Jeremy Hutchinson, Wendy Nicol, US – John B. Anderson, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, Lyndon LaRouche, Bob Richards*, TC – Imtiaz Ahmed, Lance Gibbs*, John Richard Reid, Don Smith, Lindsay Tuckett, #1 – Tab Hunter, Jane Morgan*, Peter Sarstedt, Kay Starr, Jimmy Young Captain Chorizo: DW – Colin Baker*, Richard Franklin, John Moreno*, William Russell, Peter Thomas*, HL – David Barber, John Eden, William Lloyd-George (3rd Baron Tenby)*, Francis Tombs, Helen Mary Warnock, US – George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Rosalynn Carter, Bo Gritz*, Mary Alice Herbert*, TC – Ronald Draper*, Garfield Sobers, Don Smith, John Watkins (South Africa), Everton Weekes, #1 – Ken Dodd, Chris Farlowe, Rolf Harris, Kay Starr, Ricky Valance* gcreptile: DW - Geoffrey Bayldon, Kenneth Cope*, Geoffrey Palmer*, Nicholas Parsons*, Frank Windsor*, HL – Earl of Snowdon, Lord Carrington, Lady Saltoun, John Habgood, David Nickson*, US – John B. Anderson, George H.W.Bush, La Donna Harris*, Lyndon LaRouche, Ross Perot, TC – Ken Archer*, Hubert Doggart*, Datta Gaekwad, C D Gopinath*, Arun Lal*, #1 – Ken Dodd, Don Everly*, Peter Sarstedt, Nobby Stiles*, Jimmy Young Rotten Ali: DW – Tom Baker, Keith Barron*, Brian Blessed*, John Hurt, William Russell, HL - Edwin Bramall*, Lord Carrington, Jeremy Hutchinson, Peter Jenkin, David Waddington, US – George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney, Bob Dole, Walter Mondale, TC – Imtiaz Ahmed, Donald Carr*, Datta Gaekwad, Rohan Kanhai, Garfield Sobers, #1 – Ken Dodd, Rolf Harris, John McVie*, Des O’Connor*, Cliff Richard* Rover and Out: DW – Windsor Davies*, Ken Dodd, Jean Marsh, William Russell, Peter Sallis, HL – Earl of Snowdon, Derek Barber, Lady Saltoun, John Habgood, Jeremy Hutchinson, US – John B. Anderson, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, Lyndon LaRouche, Ross Perot, TC – Imtiaz Ahmed, Doug Insole, Len Maddocks, Lindsay Tuckett, Everton Weekes, #1 – Harry Belafonte, Vic Damone, Plas Johnson, Vera Lynn, Kay Starr Toast: DW – Geoffrey Bayldon, George A. Cooper*, Damaris Hayman*, Jean Marsh, Peter Sallis, HL – Earl of Snowdon, Derek Barber, Jane Campbell*, Alun Gwynne Jones (Baron Chalfont), Jill Knight*, US – John B. Anderson, George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney, Bob Dole, TC – Ted Dexter*, John Edrich, Ray Illingworth*, Rohan Kanhai, Lindsay Tuckett, #1 – David Cassidy*, Vera Lynn, Peter Sarstedt, Kay Starr, Jimmy Young

Not that you're keen or anything...

I nearly put "month in, month out" too. Sod's law says if I said yes there'd be a bloodbath or, you know, a global pandemic say, and they'd be dropping like flies. But point taken, "maybe next time round when I win", he says confidently... I didn't miss your other post by the way, it'll just take a bit of time to write up the data of who picked who.

Yeah, when I was checking back you did seem pretty pessimistic of your chances of scoring a hit in that category. I do wonder how you reached the conclusion that an elderly President of the United States wasn't going to count in a round on US Presidents though.

Very kind of you to say so - it's a great game and I'm good at dipping in and out but I don't really have the time or focus to do it justice week in, week out (I'm a teacher - bit more free time during lockdown!). You can bet I'll take slightly greater interest as I'm picking the categories but Biblio's done a great job these first two rounds and if he's happy to continue I'm not going to rock the boat and let it all fall apart! I'll moderate the finished games that don't have the time pressure instead.