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  3. Posted

    On 27/01/2024 at 13:50, Octopus of Odstock said:

    Time has already posted, but yep, Stuart Gray has died.

    He played a long time for Reading, and he now becomes, by far, the most recent Reading FC death (it was Neale Cooper, 1992). Not entirely sure if the club will last a lot longer than Stuart, to be honest.

    Didn't quite.reach his initial potential, but very able for us, RIP.

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    Eddie Gray was at Elland Road last night and looks pretty well for 76 year who has not long lost his son. 
     

     

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    On 22/02/2024 at 22:20, RoverAndOut said:

    Clearly she's decided she's finished in mainstream politics, so best to head down the looney rabbit hole since it's such a profitable endeavour these days.

    In America the looney rabbit hole is very much part of mainstream politics. And I fear it’s heading the same way here in the UK. 

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    11 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

    Hmm.

     

    I'll say again, the EBU aren't appeasing anyone. They have their rules, if they are breached they give the country concerned an opportunity to change or leave the competition. "Oh look, they are being anti-Israel" you keep crying out. That quite simply is garbage.

     

    Now if the song is allowed and Olly Alexander won't participate then as I made clear, he can fuck off and keep fucking off until we can't hear him fucking off any more. Flappy wristed fucking drama queen.be gababge but it is what 

    The rules are the rules but it’s what Israel will claim is what matters in terms of what the BBC will have to defend against a hostile government and press. It doesn’t matter if that’s not actually true. 

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    6 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

    The EBU are not bowing down to anyone as far as I can see. It's not anything to do with Israel per se, if the song is blatantly political it has to be changed or they can fuck off.

     

    And if Olly Alexander wants to throw a hissy fit and withdraw his song, the BBC (rather like yourself) better be prepared for the worst and have a back up. Are Scooch doing anything this May? :P

    Olly Alexander would likely be delighted if Israel was banned as he is strong supporter of the Palestine cause. 
     

    Several countries have faced domestic anti Israel backlash related to Eurovision (Iceland for example) so it would be seen as the EBU appeasing those campaigns. 

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  11. Posted

    58 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

    Having enjoyed Eurovision since the early 70s, I have seen nothing like this. 

     

    While I felt Ukraine's 1944 was just a dirge which was opportunistic, it wasn't relevant, just as ABBA's Waterloo wasn't relevant. 

     

    Here, however, Israel's song to me at least is nothing but political propaganda. It should be banned, but the EBU are treading carefully as always, not just because it's Israel. If Israel want to leave, they should do so. Nobody is going to withdraw their entry on the back of that, I can assure you.

     

    Eurovision is all about experiencing different music but the message if any in the songs should go beyond borders. Too early to say whether if it was allowed in, that Israel's song stands any chance anyway.

    I just don’t see the BBC being able to withstand the domestic calls to boycot an EBU that would be seen as bowing down to the anti Israel campaign it is facing. Olly Alexander’s views made the front page of a couple of Newspapers and this will be a far bigger story. 
     

    As a big Eurovision fan as well it is very much stressing me out but mentally I am preparing for the UK to withdraw. I habe to mentally prepare for the worse as much as possible in life so I can cope. 

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    1 hour ago, Father Brown said:

     

    Suspending Israel for a song with propaganda in it when other countries have already been expelled (Belarus) or outright rejected (Georgia) is not "anti - Israel". It's called breaking the rules of the contest and facing the consequences.

    The song is called "October Rain", that's certainly not a creative decision.

    Ukraine won in 2016 with a propaganda song. 
     

    Isreal knows if it is banned it will be able to get a few countires to withdraws with it due to political pressure in those countries. If Israel urged the BBC to withdraw Rishi Sunak would say he thinks the BBC should do so and they not likely to be able to withstand that pressure,.

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  18. Posted

    18 minutes ago, Father Brown said:

     

    That is complete rubbish. The deadline for participation has long been and gone, meaning the BBC will have to pay a (hefty) fine to the organisers if they withdraw at this stage. The UK song is out March 1st.

    Belarus were kicked out in 2021(?) for trying to send propaganda and that didn't stop anybody else.

    But Belarus wasn’t and is not a popular country. If Israel is suspended it will be seen as the EBU acting in an anti - Israel manner. That won’t be acceptable to many people in the UK. 

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  20. Posted

    I think the UK is going to withdraw soon as Israel is heading towards suspension and I don’t think the BBC could continue to take part with the backlash suspending Israel will bring with the press and politicians.

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