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They've had a bit of bad luck with drummers .
Their first big line-up change involved a drummer flying through the windscreen near Scratchwood Services.
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I've learned quite a lot about the concept of "less is more" by reading his book.
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Just now, Death Impends said:Just gave Anita Bryant's book a read. She's a bit too consumed by this obsession with the gay issue but raises some pretty salient points on the horror stories over how they're invading straight spaces and corrupting the children.
Anita Bryant is an interesting example.
As far as I can tell she was/is simply "anti-gay". IIRC, the original stance on Gay Rights which made her famous was that she wanted to repeal a law that outlawed discriminating against gays in employment . recruiting . Or to put it another way, she wanted to make it legal to not recruit people for being gay.
I don't think Linehan is saying anything similar. He's not saying it should be illegal to transition, or that transitioning is wrong per se.
In an odd way his position on the trans issue is more nuanced and tolerant than Bryant's on Gay Rights.
And I'd agree that they both have the odd salient point mixed in with everything else.Maybe the key difference in presentation is that while Bryant was widely despised and mocked she always came across as a slightly dotty aunt; Linehan comes across as an obsessive who's fighting individuals.
NB- Do we know anything about Bryant's current health for the main List. All IO can find is that she's 84, and seems to be running a ministry in Oaklahoma.
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Having said all that, I'm more interested in what others think.
Any thoughts DL'ers??
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I've just got to the end of his book and I have a couple of conclusions, good and bad.
1) Great comedy writer. If you look at the thread on Cook's and Bomb'd , link above, there's a very obvious feeling of those who wrongly consider themselves to be comedy talents kicking a man when he's down. (Or perhaps, more accurately, kicking a man when he's too mentally distracted to fight back.)
2) He's obsessive. I can't think of any autobiography I've ever read that focusses so much on one topic that isn't strictly related to the reason the subject is famous. For example, if you read a celebrity "recovery memoir", you won't find that 80% of it is related to AA meetings, drug dealers, and *other people's* drug use. Linehan's story is around 4/5 related to the trans issue. He's allowed himself to become solely associated with it. Maybe he thought that he'd get more support or be able to parle it into a positive career branch. That won't happen since he's come to be seen as obsessed with trans rather than informed about it.
3) He has no presentation skills on the Trans issue. He shares the truly horrifying stories: men being allowed into women's prisons and women's spaces, abuse of children, blackmail, online abuse etc. But tends to come across as angry and nothing else. I think the key is that there's not a single constructive suggestion anywhere about what to do for trans people in legal or legislative terms. One of those, anywhere, would change the whole tone.
Maybe this comes from the fact he's a writer. They're not supposed to be emotionally intelligent in the real world, only in abstract.
4) He's too reactive. If you're in an online argument about an issue you should never allow yourself to get personal while criticising the other party. This is the exact stage at which you've lost the argument and they've won on presentation grounds. You are, in effect, drowning your own argument out. This is doubly so if you are wholly or in part in the right. And from time to time, he is in the right. I'm far from being a media expert, but I'd say he'd be far better off sharing the evidence of the shocking stories he's come across and then *not* commenting on them further. Let others do their own working out so that he doesn't come across as haranguing on the issue.
NB- I'm in the States at the moment. Los Angeles to be precise. I had a coffee with a trans friend yesterday, asked them if they'd ever heard of Graham Linehan and they hadn't. So maybe the ultimate irony here is that there's been no "cut through" in media terms.
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1 minute ago, TQR said:There are lots of words to describe Linehan. A fair few of which are anatomical, so let's pick the most appropriate one, the one that we all have in common, whether you're a man, a woman, an enby or anything in between, whether you're trans, not trans or just have gammon-infuriating pronouns.
Linehan is an arsehole.
Thread complete.
Sure, maybe. But what exactly are you saying makes him an arsehole?
I definitely see objective evidence of him being obsessive.
Mind you, are you saying that the sheer level of obsession makes him an areshole?
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11 minutes ago, Clorox Bleachman said:Perhaps this was the moment he became obsessed with genitals...
That's one of the elements that confuses me : "obsessed with genitals".
It does seem to have become an obsession for him.Having said that, I can't see much that he's saying which isn't factual. Even if his "spin' on the facts may be extreme.
It may be one of the oldest problems for anyone discussing any subject- "It's not what you're saying, it's *how* you're saying it." -
Just now, Commtech Sio Bibble said:Probably, but I'm not sure that I want to hear what the likes on Bon Scott have to say on this bigoted divorcee.
He's been dead 44 years. He won't say much at all.
Out of interest, why do you go straight to "divorcee" ?
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Just now, Spade_Cooley said:This strikes me as a great idea for a thread and one that'll surely bring disparate political sides together in an intelligent and cordial atmosphere. Can't wait to read it.
Well, if you can see anything uncordial in what I've written point it out to me and I'll change it.
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
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There's another forum which I'm banned from that has several very long threads about Graham Linehan. Trans Mania: Graham Linehan is an Obsessive Transphobe (cookdandbombd.co.uk) (Note Deathlist admins: I got banned from it for using the word "retarded". Not even for calling someone retarded, but for using the word "retarded'". It's a very PC/woke space.)
I've had a bit of free time in the last few days and I went through most of the Graham Linehan threads on there and listened to the audiobook of his autobiography on a plane.
I wondered what people on here thought of the whole "Graham Linehan Trans Row".
I can't decide between his own self image (defender of women's rights who's also bravely raising and publicising severe abuse of children) and the more critical view of him (basically raging transphobe/ homophobe who's literally gone insane over the subject and is a severely nasty piece of work.) Having listened to his story from his point of view in a bit more depth I'm still totally undecided.
Do Deathlisters have any thoughts on him?
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More like Sven-Göran Deadikson.....
( I'm putting in an early claim for that on thw day he goes.)
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16 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:
*heDoesn't he go by she nowadays?
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On 14/03/2024 at 12:06, Bibliogryphon said:I thought people might have been all over this one but I have searched and not seen it mentioned
Unlikely to get a direct obituary but might get some coverage
It's a very generous employer who will give you the day off work because your mother has been diagnosed with something.
What do they do if she actually dies?
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On 07/03/2024 at 02:41, John "요한" Sulu said:William H. Webster turned 100 today.
He looks fucking amazing for 100. What type of moisturiser does he use?
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I'm sorry if I'm being dumb here. Help me understand once and for all. To qualify for this particular Death List the criteria are that you have to be
a) French
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b) Francophone
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c) Have had "an impact in France'. Not merely performed in France, or be famous in France, but have your main or ongoing source of fame be *in France*.
Have I understood correctly?
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15 hours ago, Lafaucheuse said:As far as I can see, neither Bob Dylan or Woody Allen made half of their career in France, But feel free to join our committee if you have some more useful names to give
To end this debate, we stick to Clark being on the list, Linda de Suza for example, despite being Portuguese, would have been qualified for our list as she based her career essentially on french market. I repeat, this is a french speaking deathlist. I suspect we will just keep Clark’s until her demise to piss people like you who don’t understand her impact in France and why she belongs in such a list.
I'm still somewhat confused by the idea of someone being a "Francophone celebrity" making them eligible for your list.
Petula Clark gets on the list despite - as far as we know- not being French, but because she is famous in France and speaks French.Eddie Izzard performs in French and speaks French. Would she be eligible?
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5 hours ago, Lafaucheuse said:Petula Clark was chosen due to her long and illustrious career in France. She may not be french per se (I can’t find any info about french citizenship) but we did say « francophone personalities » and not « french » on the first page with the rules. Petula has had a long history with France which, we commonly thought, was enough to include her in a french speaking deathlist. This choice may be controversial but we can’t delete her now. Maybe we’ll replace her for next year, as she was in competition with Leslie Caron.
I see what you're saying.
So , for example, could Bob Dylan be on your list on the grounds that he was given the Legion d'Honneur in 2013?
Or Woody Allen on the grounds that he's conducted TV interviews in French?
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5 hours ago, Bestparolanto said:I was warned of the pedantry that could reign here, I did not expect it to arise in such a petty way.
In any case, and if the choice of Madame Petula Clark in the French deathlist does not suit these gentlemen, and in order to avoid extreme acts. We could consider :
1. removing Madame from the list and replacing her with another
2. removing Madame from the list without replacing her.3. Or we can keep her and consider her enough French because she sung "La Gadoue".
Those are my suggestion, I don't know the case law on the matter.
Do you really find it pedantic to point out that someone on a French Deathlist might not be French?
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13 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:I would agree she doesn't belong on the list. Lives mainly in Geneva. She has another residence close to my aunt in London. The place in the French Alps sounds like a place where she goes on holiday.
I have a time share in Tenerife. I'm not fucking Spanish.I tend to agree. But all this could be solved by finding out if Petula Clark is actually French/ has joint citizenship.
I've had a hunt around and I can't find out.
It would be a shame to invalidate all @La Faucheuse's hard work on a point of accuracy.But we don't want to be sloppy with facts either.
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2 hours ago, La Tombe said:Petula Clark lives in Geneva, she lost her French husband Claude Wolff some days ago…Out of this, I don’t know if she has taken French citizenship, but with Brexit, there is a possiblity in that sense.
Then , technically, should she still be on your otherwise excellent list?
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On 31/12/2023 at 17:04, Lafaucheuse said:1. 103 Philippe de Gaulle admiral and nepo-baby
2. 102 Roland Dumas former Foreign Minister
3. 103 Edgar Morin philosopher and sociologist
4. 102 Micheline Presle actress
5. 96 Jean-Marie Le Pen neo nazi
6. 96 Line Renaud the Line
7. 90 Brigitte Bardot BB
8. 89 Alain Delon actor and ego-centrist
9. 102 Jean Malaurie explorer and anthropologist
10. 91 Bernadette Chirac Madame prout-prout
11. 94 Philippe Bouvard TV host
12. 80 Françoise Hardy singer
13. 95 Edouard Balladur former prime minister
14. 96 Robert Badinter former minister of justice
15. 95 François Cheng author, academician
16. 97 Geneviève Page actress
17. 81 Charles Biétry sport journalist
18. 89 Bernard Pivot author and journalist
19. 63 Florent Pagny singer, songwriter
20. 77 Frédéric Mitterrand touche à tout (especially young thaï boys)
21. 85 Brigitte Fontaine touche à tout
22. 73 Catherine Laborde weather-girl
23. 88 Jacques Balutin actor
24. 103 André Chandernagor former European Affair Minister
25. 87 Maryse Condé author
26. 94 Gilles Jacob film critic and essayist
27. 90 Claude Zidi screenwriter
28. 90 Marie-France Garaud presidential candidate
29. 92 Marthe Villalonga actress
30. 100 Anne Vernon actress
31. 95 Charles Dumont Composer, songwriter ("Non Je Ne Regrette Rien")
32. 98 Judith Magre actress
33. 95 Claire Maurier actress
34. 98 Jean-Pierre Serre mathematician
35. 99 Raphaël Géminiani cyclist
36. 99 Laurent de Brunhoff illustrator
37. 90 Nadine Trintignant filmmaker and novelist
38. 96 Laurence Badie actress
39. 95 André Darrigade cyclist
40. 89 Aldo Maccione actor
41. 92 Petula Clark singer
42. 89 Guy Gilbert punk priest
43. 95 Alejandro Jodorowsky avant-garde filmmaker
44. 87 Jean Paul Guerlain Perfumer
45. 100 Roger Guillemin neuroscientist
46. 80 Jean-Pierre Léaud actor
47. 93 Gérard Mulliez billionaire
48. 91 Gérard Hernandez actor
49. 77 Isabelle Balkany politician and fraudster
50. 72 Renaud singer
It's a very impressive and well-researched list. list. I'm particularly engaged by the fact you've got so many hits so early in the year.
One question: are you entirely sure that Number 41 Petula Clark has taken French citizenship? (I know that she's lived there for decades, but is she fully naturalised?)
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On 20/03/2024 at 22:52, diego said:Francisca Mangonez Martinez was the oldest person in Colombia since 11 Jan 2024 and died on 18 Mar 2024 in Sucre, she was born in Majagual, Sucre Department on 4 Jan 1910
https://longeviquest.com/supercentenarians/francisca-mangonez-martinez/
Not smiling when someone is taking your birthday photo is incredibly bad manners.
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35 minutes ago, An Fear Beag said:I think you need to learn to read more carefully.
Emmet Stagg was many things, but there is absolutely no evidence that he was a "nonce", at least not by my understanding of the word.
For those who haven't read about him, the scandal surrounding him was that he was questioned by Gardai after being discovered loitering in an area of the Phoenix Park known to be frequented by male prostitutes. That was it. He was not arrested and was not charged with, much less convicted of, any crime.
One could charitably invoke the "innocent until proven guilty" principle, and say that he was just out enjoying a late-night stroll in a public park, which everyone is free to do. However, even if you assume that he was attempting to pick up a prostitute, that does not make him a nonce, as @Toastwould no doubt be happy to explain to you.
From my memory of the event, there was a reasonable amount of righteous indignation form the usual sources, and a fair amount of snickering amusement. However, there was also quite a lot of sympathy for Stagg, as the Gardai leaked his name to the press despite him not having actually done anything illegal, something which they have a nasty little habit of doing.
I think *you've* misunderstood the meaning of the word nonce:All kid-fuckers are nonces but not all nonces are kid-fuckers . If you're a, then, 50 year old man hanging around an area known for teenage prostitutes you're a nonce. Simples.
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