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Hmm, I never actually thought about that. Atkins and her hubbie have been so ardently trying to convince everyone of her suitability for parole, that they probably forgot to ask themselves that question too. Having spent forty years in prison, how is a person ever to cope with his freedom? Not that Susan Atkins can be expected to have very ambitious plans for after her release, but who knows? It reminds me of the old lad with the mouse in 'the Shawshank redemption'. He hung himself, which was tragic, but not if it had concerned Atkins (or Biggs, or Al-Megrahi) - at least not from a DL-point of view.

Why would Al-Megrahi do a Biggsie (aka 'a Pinochet'), now that he has been released? When he came out of that aeroplane in Libya, I didn't had the impression that he was trying to make his condition look any worse than it was, why would he do now? The Libyan authorities never seemed to be concerned about bilateral courtesies either.

This thread is so incredibly slow and dull, it's almost like cricket.

Oh, what a shame I never noticed this thread before! I would have loved to make fun of the new dutch hero Kenny van Hummel - without any doubt the worst climber I've ever seen. I was abroad at the time, though, visiting France and the Tour at Mont Ventoux. I really was prepared to waiting for Kenny for four hours, but he already stepped out. The bastard. I'm a huge fan of the sport, and I was checking if anyone mentioned the terminally-ill Laurent Fignon. (The obvious answer was: yes.) A tour-champion is supposed to get an obit in the UK, isn't he?

I heard he was transported to a prison in Munich. With his age and health he won't survive long in a cell. Adolf Hitler was in prison in Munich. I wonder if it's the same one? Yes, it is. Hitler served time in Sadelheim Prison in 1922. I'm sure Demjanjuk feels honoured to follow in his footsteps! (For I'm sure the big fraud still can walk, he's just been doing a Biggsy or a Pinochet to delay his extradition.) In his defence, I'd like to state that the only reason that he's considered such a prominent war criminal is the fact that he's one of the last to be still alive. Even if he was a campguard in Sobibor, that would not make him a very large fish (especially not since he was acquitted of being Ivan the Terrible). I would not have him babysitting over my children, but the media are portraiting the man as the monster who's been responsible for the death of tens of thousands in Sobibor, which is not only very unlikely, but also a bit unfair. It's the irony of surviving the vast majority of your generation, I suppose. It's like the WW I veterans: the death of the last one will be generating massive media attention and a state funeral, but it's highly probable that this 115-year old "hero" will turn out to have been a non-combattant runaway-boy who hid himself on a transportship in the last days of the war whose only feat was to have been alive at the time.

Dutch newssources claim that Libya has asked for Al-Megrahi's extradition as he has 'only weeks' to live. Confirmed by this, it says it was published on february 26, though google mentioned a release-date of 45 minutes ago. I'm not too sure of Libya's credibility in matters like these, so let's wait for the British reaction to the plea. If the Biggs-case can be considered as a judicial precedent, things are looking grim for our oriental pyrotechnic friend (may Allah scorche his beard).

Well, it seems that you've already realised the DL's excuse for this 'obvious' miss....

Not my genius, alas, but generously provided by this clever person. Lots of wonderful ones there, take a look at the page index. That really is a marvellous site! I've never considered myself a smiley-type of person - no-one over the age of 13 should, actually - but I might change my mind. Especially because of the death/dead-department in which I found this one! That's cool! Can't you add that to the list of smileys at the left of this message?

1) Learn to spell properly - people make take you more serious that way. 2) Hoping that something bad happens to us is just as "sick", if not more considering most of the members here probably work hard and ultimately make less money than Goody who earns millions from doing absolutely nothing other than appearing on Big Brother and becoming ill. 3) If you don't like what you read, go somewhere else. Thanking you. ms woodlocked's piece has the poise and elegant construction of a Shakespearian sonnet compared to some of the mob congregated on that Bebo page. Ladies and Gentlemen, for those that might have missed it, i give you the sincere outpourings of "Teardrops On My Guitar X" "Tbh C If You Dnt Like Jade Then Y Daa Fuk Are U On This ??.x C If U Know How It Feels To Have Cancer Or To Know Sumwun U love Dieing A Cancer Then Uul Know How She Fells Yaa Dick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!x A Hope U Get Struck Wae A Bolt A Lightning And Goo Die Thu same Daii This Poor Girl Dies a Cancer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!x Feel Soo Sorry For Uu Jade <3 x Love You Jade <3 xxx A Hope Uu Doo Get Bettah If Possible xxxxxxxxxxxxx" if anyone could translate that little lot id be grateful... they should stick the english language in the box with Goody when she goes... I was particularly intrigued by the strofe: 'If U Know How it Feels To Have Cancer (...) Then Uul Know How She Fells Yaa Dick'. Translated to actual words it reads something as 'If you know how it feels to have cancer then you will know how she feels your penis'. That's a rude thing to say, isn't it? She might have been on Big Brothel and she actually intended to sell her deathbed-video but that doesn't make her nymphoniac or cheap!

Well, in some occasions, it's perfectly suitable to hate some-one and be cruel.

It's about the standards he sets for himself. Life should be about living even if it really isn't. I was watching an episode of the Twilight Zone last night and it revolved around age and how human beings submit themselves to be older then they actually are. One is only as old as they believe themselves to be .. Well, mr. Cliché, I totally disagree. One's age is determined by the number of years that has passed since birth, it's as simple as that. Of course, the extent to which people let their age influence their way of life might differ, but I'm sure you'll agree that even the strongest and most positive and optimistic supercentenarian will eventually be caught up by his age. And thank God for that, it's the sole reason why a site like Deathlist actually exists. Otherwise we might well be discussing things like royalty or computer stuff. Brrrrr...

When I heard of Richard's death, I was expecting the forum to be flooded by anonymous rants, but where are they?!? Wendy Richard is the perfect hit for that: let's face it, because of her Eastenders-fame her death will be hotly debated among the er... lower classes - the kind of people that have difficulty controlling their emotions and who tend to identify themselves with soap-characters to a far greater extent than we do. (Hanging around Deathlist regularly and enjoying it might not exactly be a token of elitist superiority, but I reckon that no-one here seems to care about Richard's demise, apart from the fact that it adds to the score exactly the same amount of hits as a more intellectually challenging one.) Hmm, when typing 'Wendy Richard' on Google the DL does not appear in the first 100 hits, that might be keeping the ranters away. Is there anything we can do about that?

Castro's doing fine but his death is 'imminent', according to the man himself. (Still looking for an english source...)

Her health is deteriorating. (Still looking for an english source...) Queen Fabiola was declared dead by several Belgian media, but it turned out to be a mistake. There have been several more examples of newspapers and TV channels that seemed too eager to publish their obits lately. Did anyone actually check Dai Llewelynn's pulse? It would be heartbreaking to see him appear on some Obama-inauguration-party with a bottle of bourbon in his hand...

Her health is deteriorating. (Still looking for an english source...)

Is it actually possible to drink that amount of alcohol without being dead or comatose? I'm sure Sir Dai was a big consumer, but the eight bottles of wine alone would have given him a blood alcohol content of about 10,7 permille. Just the two bottles of rum and vodka would have lead to about 11,9 permille, assuming that the man was about 100 kgs. A permillage of 3,5 is supposed to be fatal. I don't know how you measure the BAC in Britain, but I'm sure that such concentrations are considered as lethal in the UK as they are in Holland. Dai died, the remaining question is: did Dai lie?

Castro's favourite cronie Hugo Chavez said it's unlikely that Fidel will appear in public again. That sounds as if he is dead already...

Exactly what makes Patrick Swayze so brave? That he is holding on? Well, what else can he do? Lying down, feeling miserable and crying his eyes out until he dies? No, really. Being terminally ill and facing it like a man might be considered an act of bravery, but how do we know Swayze actually does that? When his agent is dropping a statement, the odds of it being the truth are very slim, when Swayze himself is appearing in front of the camera all he has to do is to put on his happy yellow face for a split second and afterwards he can return to his own misanthropic self without us ever noticing. I would even take this one step further: if you were dying and you would find it very difficult to accept your fate, would that make you weak or a coward? I'd say it would make you typically human. It's not just that he is holding on, but how he is doing so. It really doesn't matter if Swayze is woeful anytime the cameras aren't on him: when he's out there, he's full of confidence, that he's a survivor, and there will be a cure one day, etc, and that passes on to others in the same condition. If he was misanthropic about his disease, I'm willing to suggest he'd have died a long time ago. That he continues to speak about it, fight and continue to be is brave, because I've seen far too many people go "Oh I've got cancer and give up." My best friend's dad did that and died within weeks. Swayze's diagnosis at the outset would have been much more bleak than his dad, my grandfather, or any of the others we know. And yet he's outlived them all. And, despite knowing he's dying, and that there's very little he can do to prevent that, he's still speaking out and reaching out to fellow sufferers and their families. That, I would say, goes far beyond what the average human is capable of when faced with such insurmountable odds. Ah, I'm sure you're right about Swayze's performance, I never realised he was so outspoken and optimistic. If he managed to convince you, I'm sure he's not acting it. But my point was: does it make your best friend's dad less brave now that he wasn't able to cope with his fate as well as Swayze? Anyone would consider it unfair to get an incurable form of cancer - especially when you're as young as that. I think it's not up to me to decide whether the way one is handling his disease is brave or not. If you struggle to come to terms with it, it could make you bitter and misanthropic (as in: it's so unfair, why me and not one of those losers around me?!). I think that reaction would be quite human. As a matter of fact: accepting your fate and making the best of your remaining time is all you can hope for. That's not bravery, it's sheer luck to have such character and composure. And to anyone who has lost a dear one after a long and brave struggle with cancer, I'm not taking the piss with your beloved mum, dad, friend etc., I just feel very uneasy with the way any sick, dying or dead celeb is glorified. If the man was a jerk, a mediocre actor or an imbecile by life, the sheer fact that he is ill or dead does not make him a hero, a nice chap or a fine actor. (Hmm, where can I find the Heath Ledger-thread?)

Why would having cancer make someone hate humankind? I don't know to be honest - I'm only responding to the post above me! I think he meant anger at the world or something like that? In fact, I did.

Exactly what makes Patrick Swayze so brave? That he is holding on? Well, what else can he do? Lying down, feeling miserable and crying his eyes out until he dies? No, really. Being terminally ill and facing it like a man might be considered an act of bravery, but how do we know Swayze actually does that? When his agent is dropping a statement, the odds of it being the truth are very slim, when Swayze himself is appearing in front of the camera all he has to do is to put on his happy yellow face for a split second and afterwards he can return to his own misanthropic self without us ever noticing. I would even take this one step further: if you were dying and you would find it very difficult to accept your fate, would that make you weak or a coward? I'd say it would make you typically human.

I'm not a sissy but I've always felt a little bit uneasy somehow to see Nelson Mandela appear on this list. I'm well aware that DL can't exclusively nominate the earth's scum like Atkins, the Lockerbie chap, Kim-il-Jong, Demjanjuk and Thatcher, but throughout my youth madiba has been such a strong symbol of hope and believe in a better future that it feels almost blasphemous to hope for his speedy demise. I know that DL does not actually speed up anyone's death and I have been around here long enough to understand that one should not take it too seriously, but I can't help regretting Mandela's appearance here. Oh, I'm just getting soft lately... Things start looking grimmer once you've turned 30, I guess.

What's the news on Havelange's health? He's not exactly a spring chicken, but his age can hardly be the reason for his number-4 spot, can it?

What about Jean, the former Grand Duke of Luxembourg? He was born 5 january 1921 and thus he will be 88 in a few months. His wife, the Belgian princess Josephine-Charlotte died about four years ago and Jean has been looking increasingly frail ever since. His full name and title (according to Wikipedia) is: HRH Jean Benoit Guillaume Robert Antoine Louis Marie Adolphe Marc d'Aviano by the Grace of God, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Duke of Nassau, Count Palatine of the Rhine, Count of Sayn, Königstein, Katzenelnbogen and Diez, Burgrave of Hammerstein, Lord of Mahlberg, Wiesbaden, Idstein, Merenberg, Limburg and Eppstein. That would make some obit...

What does it tell us that one of France's most successful movies ever, across all genres, is the original "Emmanuelle"? It's a bit of a shame that the actress who played Emmanuelle in some of the early films isn't from Belgium, because it would have tied neatly in to the title of the thread, but Sylvia Kristel is Dutch. The poor Belgians can't even produce a good pr0n star. O yes, they can! Dries Breyne, the cousin of Godfried cardinal Danneels, who was considered one of the favourites to succeed the late pope John Paul II. (Danneels was the favourite, not Breyne, obviously...) Danneels was not a papabile as you suggest. He's too liberal, supports gay rights and what not. He will never get there. The actual favourite and real competitor at the last conclave was Cardinal Martini who has now turned 80 and cannot therefore be elected. They use to say: 'he who enters the conclave as Pope, leaves as a cardinal'. The more a cardinal is mentioned in the media, the fewer his chances. Joseph cardinal Ratzinger however was indeed the big favourite to succeed John Paul II, because of his age (not too young), because of his proved qualities (he is highly intelligent, speaks ten languages and had been a stand-in for John Paul II during his final illness) and most of all: because of his rigid conservatism. It was thought to have made him the most preferred candidate for the African and South-American cardinals, while Martini and Re should have been favourite with the Italian electors. The other European cardinals - especially the more pastoral amongst them - were thought to support a more liberal candidate, and their champion could well have been Danneels. However, a leaked diary suggested that the cardinals voted quite differently in 2005. The Latin-American and African electors seemed to prefer Jorge cardinal Bergoglio, a dark horse from Argentina. It were the European cardinals that presented Ratzinger the papal tiara.

What does it tell us that one of France's most successful movies ever, across all genres, is the original "Emmanuelle"? It's a bit of a shame that the actress who played Emmanuelle in some of the early films isn't from Belgium, because it would have tied neatly in to the title of the thread, but Sylvia Kristel is Dutch. The poor Belgians can't even produce a good pr0n star. O yes, they can! Dries Breyne, the cousin of Godfried cardinal Danneels, who was considered one of the favourites to succeed the late pope John Paul II. (Danneels was the favourite, not Breyne, obviously...)