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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Although there is an argument this could be within the Time Added thread, to be fair there is 8,000,000 threads about music, so why not two about football. Some of those interested enough would have noticed my posts on early deaths of World Cup Players - but this is Deathlist and DDP ideas are wanted, I am sure and it is unlikely Emile Heskey, Paolo Wanchope and Philippe Lahm are going to be on many death pools. In time, I& will try and do all the pre-1962 surviving players, but for now, I will round up the 1950 players and pre-1938 - of which there is only one, Rene Llense, who is near 100 (EDIT Now dead). He was however a squad player who never played. Of the 1950 players, there are a maximum of 40 alive. However that World Cup saw a lot of South American teams, whose players are virtual unknowns, so the likelihood is that more Mexicans, Chilean, Bolivian and Paraguyan players are dead. 1954 and 1958 should be slightly more accurate. Some famous names on there though and some certainly worth a stab on the DDP. This will also be where other World Cup Players' deaths can be posted - and why not start as I mean to go on, with the death of Jan Zlocha, who played for the Czechoslovakian team in 1970 - 7 of their squad dead already. http://www.cas.sk/cl...ntant-cssr.html (IN Czech) Note the below is only who played, not squad members (like Llense); Switzerland||| Player ||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age -|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||Adolphe Hug|||||||||||||||(1923-09-23)23 September 1923 (aged 26) Yugoslavia||| Player||||||||||||||||||||||||||| DoB/Age 13||||||||||||||||||||||||Željko Čajkovski|||||||||(1925-05-05)5 May 1925 (aged 25) Mexico|||||||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age 1|||||||||||||||||||||||||Antonio Carbajal||||||(1929-06-07)7 June 1929 (aged 21) 16|||||||||||||||||||||Carlos Guevara|||||||||1930 8||||||||||||||||||||||||||Héctor Ortiz||||||||||||||||(1928-12-20)20 December 1928 (aged 21) 9||||||||||||||||||||||||||Mario Pérez||||||||||||||(1927-02-19)19 February 1927 (aged 23) 7|||||||||||||||||||||||||Carlos Septién||||||||||(1923-01-18)18 January 1923 (aged 27) England||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age -|||||||||||||||||||||||Roy Bentley||||||||||||||||||||(1924-05-17)17 May 1924 (aged 26) Chile||||||||||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/ Age -4|||||||||||||||||||||Manuel Álvarez Jiménez|||||||||||||(1928-05-23)23 May 1928 (aged 22) 2||||||||||||||||||||||Arturo Farías|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1927-11-01)1 November 1927 (aged 22) 15|||||||||||||||||||Carlos Ibáñez|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1931-11-30)30 November 1931 (aged 18) 8||||||||||||||||||||||Luis Mayanés|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1925-01-15)15 January 1925 (aged 25) 9|||||||||||||||||||||Manuel Muñoz|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1928-04-28)28 April 1928 (aged 22) 12|||||||||||||||||||Andrés Prieto|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1928-12-19)19 December 1928 (aged 21) 3|||||||||||||||||||||Fernando Roldán||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1921-04-01)1 April 1921 (aged 29) USA|||||||||||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age 6|||||||||||||||||||||Walter Bahr||||||||||||||||||(1927-04-01)1 April 1927 (aged 23) Sweden||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age 9|||||||||||||||||||||Karl-Erik Palmér||||||||(1929-04-17)17 April 1929 (aged 21) Italy||||||||||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age 8|||||||||||||||||||Giampiero Boniperti||||||||(1928-07-04)4 July 1928 (aged 21) 14|||||||||||||||||Osvaldo Fattori||||||||||||||||(1922-06-22)22 June 1922 (aged 28) -2||||||||||||||||||Attilio Giovannini|||||||||||||(1924-07-30)30 July 1924 (aged 25) 17||||||||||||||||Egisto Pandolfini|||||||||||||||(1926-02-19)19 February 1926 (aged 24) Paraguay||||||||Player||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age 8|||||||||||||||||||||||||Atilio López||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1925-02-05)5 February 1925 (aged 25) 9|||||||||||||||||||||||||Darío Saguier||||||||||||||||||||||||||(1926-09-11)11 September 1926 (aged 23) Bolivia|||||||||||Player|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||DoB/Age -4|||||||||||||||||||||Antonio Greco||||||||||||||||(1923-09-17)17 September 1923 (aged 26) 24 survivors (who played a game) **Note this (being alive) is presumed in the case of 3 teams*** There's also only a few others who might be alive that were a squad member: Switzerland: Friedlander, Lusenti, Siegenthaler, Beerli, Gyger Yugoslavia: Zlatkovic Mexico: Cuburu, Cordoba, M Gutierrez Chile: Rojas Italy: Caprile Paraguay: Berni, Paredes, Canete, Cantero Bolivia: a lot of them but I think they've all gone
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    Sexy Politicans

    Although this has been broached before on the Colombian footballers thread, the thought has been reignited in my head of sexy politicans after I turned on GMTV at 06.10 the other morning & there was a sexy young scamp on the TV. "Ah good" I said, "always good to see at 6.10am, a nubile young female", but imagine my shock when the caption said she was a MP - Jenny Willott, of the Lib Dems So, I think it is high time to discuss sexy politicians. Now this is open to both male & female members, of course, but these are my suggestions for sexiest female politician: Let the debate** (**one post, probably from CP as a sympathy post ) begin!
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    The Chequered Flag

    Won't get a UK obit. If Herd is struggling no chance she will.
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    Political Frailty

    Thanks that's saved me watching it!
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    Ooo's Ddp Farewell List

    After about a good 5 months of self-mass debating , I'm decided that this year's DDP will be my last after 11 years. I haven't had the time, since January to properly check up on my picks, or add new names, and I've noticed I haven't had the interest in doing so. When DDT posted that Adolfo Suarez was near his imminent death, in years gone by I probably would've done and some more likewise, but bar feeling sadness that a man who did a lot to lead Spain from a dictatoral mess to a thriving country has died, the normal feelings of "oh arse, someone I've picked 3 out of the last 4 years but didn't picked this bugger shit bugger face" weren't there. It's not just because I'm doing badly this year, I'd decided if I won last year, I'd stop then. That's partly why I also gave the Brian Hart gimmee away. Anyway, enough of this drivel. This isn't farewell to the DL - I still feel a call of duty to update the World Cup players list and my personal survivors list and there is the odd thread I think's worthwhile posting in, but I have cut back. Nothing wrong with DL, it's just with kids and an increased workload, it's time to move on in life. Below is an semi-alphabetical list of OoO's tips not discussed anywhere that I've seen - all the obvious names are removed, but feel free to use or ignore at your leisure - there's no point me keeping it secret any more I hope they bring luck to you Francesco Acerbi, 26, footballer, cancer Ralph Boettinger, 53, Businessman, cancer Lord Blyth, 74, politician, illhealth Unita Blackwell, 81, activist, dementia Asa Briggs, 93, historian, frail/ill health Barbara Cooke, 87, opera singer, frail Neil Cunningham, 52, racing driver, Motor neurone disease Sammy Cox, 89, footballer, frail/ill health Clive Clarke, 74, footballer, dementia/ill health Kenneth Cope, 83, actor, COPD Salvatore di Masi, 69, politician, cancer Nowr El Sharif, 68, actor, cancer?/ill health Hal Faulkner, 79, soldier, cancer Martin Foran, 70, criminal, cancer Anto Finnegan, 41, gaelic footballer, MND Andrew Florent, tennis player, terminal cancer Gyula Grocsics, 87, footballer, frail/illhealth Dale Griffin, 66, drummer, demenita Alan Henry, 67, motor racing journalist, Parkinson's Ron Henry, 80, footballer, dementia Carl Haas, 84, businessman/racing boss, dementia King Juan Carlos, King of Spain, frail (and I suspect iller than being let on) Agnes Keleti, 93, gymnast, old/frail Bill Longmore, 77, police commissioner, cancer Robert Lindsay, 87, Earl of Crawford, ill health Baroness Lockwood, 90, politican, ill health Jack Lopresti, 45, MP, cancer Sir Douglas Myers, 75, businessman, cancer Ernest Maxim, 91, choreographer, frail Jim McElreath, 86, racing driver, frail/ill health Jimmy McIlroy, 81, footballer, ill health Nicky McFadden, 52, politician, MND Hanif Mohammed, 80, cricketer, cancer Ib Melchior, 97, film director, frail Carlo Mastrangelo, 77, singer, cancer Olive Nicol, 91, politician, ill heath Tim Price, 57, local politican (Devizes), terminal cancer Lord Gwilliam Prys-Davies, 92, politican, ill health Bernardo Provenzano, 81, mafia boss, mutliple ill-health incl Parkinson's Divya Palat, 31, actress, cancer/MS George Rhoden, 88, athlete, frail Jacques Rivette, 86, film director, dementia Gerald Sim, 89, actor, dementia Agne Simonsson, 77, footballer, dementia Leon Spinks, 71, boxer, ill health Michael Sata, 77, Ugandan President, ill health Naomi Thomas, 32, mother, terminal cancer Kris Taylor, 31, footballer, cancer Baron Thomas of Macclesfield, 77, politican, ill health Joe Thompson, 24, footballer, cancer Lord Vincent of Coleshill, 83, Military bigwig, 83, ill health Mal Whitfield, 90, athlete, heart disease/frail Ray Wilson, 80, footballer, Parkinson's Disease Maurice White, 74, singer, Parkinson's Disease Cheers all, it's been a pleasure.
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    Ideas and Possibilities for 2020

    Well this doesn't sound as promising; https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2337663846285316&id=121769391208117
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    Ooo's Ddp Farewell List

    Cross-referenced in a number of threads but Baroness Lockwood is dead.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Recent passings: Lamrani Morocco 1970 Armbruster Switzerland 1966 Alexander Kostov Bulgaria 1962 and 1966 Watzlich East Germany 1974 Valdes Chile 1962 Burgin, Broadis etc were mentioned here.
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    Gardens And Gardeners

    Twas tending the garden today and it's a fair bit of effort. Not that I was anywhere near carking it, but it's quite hard physical work - depending on the size of your garden, of course, and how often you tend it. If it's this big, then it's less physical exertion and of course, people in flats do not have gardens, so their exertion comes via stairs perhaps, but never mind all this babble... it got me to thinking, how many famous people have died in the garden, either by accident or otherwise? Then it got me thinking... the Deathlist does not have a Gardeners thread. Maybe this is all it is missing to make it the jolly place it used to be. Maybe this is a thread too far, but watching the Royal Chelsea Flower Show on Sunday (what a rock and roll lifestyle, I lead!) meant I saw many an old fart gardener.... so maybe it's good for you? Anyway, Death by Garden; Vittorio Brambilla, racing driver, died of h/a whilst working in his garden. Er, that's all I could find. Famous Gardeners (worthy of mention for DL/DDP purposes, so no Titchmarsh etc.): Beth Chatto, b. 1923 Michael Hesletine is an arboriculturist. Peter Cundall b. 1927 Roy Lancaster b. 1937 Art Drysdale b. 1939 whilst Peter Seabrook must be in his 80's by now?
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    Time Added

    I'm working on this. There will be another OoO megalist later this year. I'm compiling the list at the moment and am doing it by alphabetical order by club. At the moment, I'm on Charlton so there's some way to go yet but I'm already on 150 names. Once the list is done I'll check the names and delete those gone and then we should have a complete list.
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    Your Personal Survivors

    After Habgood and Mesrob, I'm down to 15. One of whom i now see regularly (Martin) and that reminds me to check on my survivors list.
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    From Cleric To Relic

    10 years on and two of my former DDP picks Mesrob and John Habgood have gone within days of each other. Can't be msny in that survivor list now.
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    Political Frailty

    Sorry to hear this, my former MP. For all that he seemingly was anti-gay, anti-women and anti-ethnic minorities, he did actually try really hard for his local constituency in between berating Nelson Mandela.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Frederico Rosa, who played in all three games for Portugal in 1986 has died, aged 61. All links in Portuguese thus far; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cmjornal.pt/cm-ao-minuto/amp/morreu-frederico-rosa-antigo-jogador-do-benfica-e-internacional-portugues
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    Time Added

    Not at all. Id just love to have a definitive list for you but its so difficult to track some of these down. What I may do one of these days is go through a whole swathe of references but id need the quality time to do it. Its on my to-do list.
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    Time Added

    Tom Docherty b. 1924. Ex Norwich, Newport and Reading. Believed alive was definitely alive c. 2014. Definitely alive and born pre-1930 is Eddie McLaren who was born in 1929. Reading FCs confirmed oldest if the aforementioned Churchill and Docherty are gone. I see the recently deceased Johnny Walker wasnt on Ulitzer95 list , not that it matters now.
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    Time Added

    Stan Clements died November 2018. Add to the possibility of still living: Trevor Churchill : Reading and Swindon b. 1923.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Shame on you all for not going for Mulamba. I always had faith in you Ndaye. *ignores fact that i never picked him on DDP in the 5 years I competed since...
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    Johnny Walker - how's he doing?

    Meanwhile the Johnny Walker that means the most to me, died earlier this week aged 90. Captain of Reading football club for ages.
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    Jean-Louis Trintignant

    I know him chiefly as nephew to Maurice ahead of his film career but that's just me.
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    Time Added

    Waiting for a valid obit for that footballer who passed away this year? Wait no longer. Not sure how many are on list of the lost but loads of sports people here https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/sports-personality/46554724 Nigel Sims is on there.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    On the Time Added thread, Maryportfuncity ponders if Broadis is the oldest living international and Fernando Roldan's name pops up. Well, I do believe he's still alive. The last details were in 2016; https://www.latercera.com/noticia/manuel-arriagada-a-esta-uc-hay-que-ponerle-mas-corazon/ where he is listed as being in a rest home. Having done as thorough a search as I can, I strongly believe a lot of the 1950 players that I knew little about have gone. Sure, there might be the odd one alive that I've got down as dead, but I can see it being no more than 2 out. So for 1950, I believe this to be as accurate as I can and all of these are either definitely or almost certainly alive (Saguier is my only real question mark): 1950 World Cup – 10 survivors MexicoPlayerDoB/Age 1Antonio Carbajal(1929-06-07)7 June 1929 (aged 21) ChilePlayerDoB/ Age 8Luis Lindorfo Mayanés(1925-01-15)15 January 1925 (aged 25) 9Manuel Muñoz(1928-04-28)28 April 1928 (aged 22) 12Andrés Prieto(1928-12-19)19 December 1928 (aged 21) 3Fernando Roldán(1921-04-01)1 April 1921 (aged 29) ItalyPlayerDoB/Age 8Giampiero Boniperti(1928-07-04)4 July 1928 (aged 21) -2Attilio Giovannini(1924-07-30)30 July 1924 (aged 25) 17Egisto Pandolfini(1926-02-19)19 February 1926 (aged 24) - Emilio Caprile (1928) ParaguayPlayerDoB/Age 9Darío Saguier(1926-09-11)11 September 1926 (aged 23) Definitely all dead: Brazil, Uruguay, Spain, Sweden, England, USA Believed all dead (but no information to confirm); Bolivia, Switzerland, Yugoslavia
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    Time Added

    Roldan was definitely alive in 2015. Ive not seen anything to say he's passed away but just to prove that old footballers dont always get obits is the fact that Mario Perez of the 1950 Mexico team was thought alive aged 91.I learnt yesterday he actually died as long ago as 1986! Ill keep delving into it.
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    Kiwi Karkers

    Graham McRae, former New Zealand racing driver, is now in a retirement home and is 'quite frail'
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    The Chequered Flag

    There's definitely now a large amount of candidates for a racing team on any DP; Cancer: John Andretti, v. Rooyen Parkinsons: Tambay, Laffite, Posey and W Fittipaldi General very poor health: Edwards, Lederle, Lauda, Moss, Schumacher, Pairetti, Herd, Jassaud Dementia: H Hahne Drinks/drugs: Melo Old: McAlpine, Rhodes, Marr, Ecclestone, M Walker, da Silva Ramos and so many more.

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