Hollywood Possibilities

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

1 hour ago, Perhaps said:

Independent QO for Irene Papas.

Interesting. They report that she was 93, not 96.

[Lafaucheuse 4,045]

11 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Interesting. They report that she was 93, not 96.

Same claims on french News,  probably the Same source but don’t know which one

[YoungWillz 21,033]

16 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Interesting. They report that she was 93, not 96.

Guardian currently running with 96. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/14/irene-papas-obituary

 

If younger, that should fuck up anyone who picked her for 20/20 + 2 for 1926. And may invalidate that pick and point. 

[drol 11,931]

I think it was an initial error which was echoed by other news sources.

[Grimgrass 514]

31 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Guardian currently running with 96. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/14/irene-papas-obituary

 

If younger, that should fuck up anyone who picked her for 20/20 + 2 for 1926. And may invalidate that pick and point. 

 

Surprisingly, she wasn't picked for 20/20 + 2, at least during the current round.

[Bibliogryphon 9,571]

41 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Guardian currently running with 96. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/14/irene-papas-obituary

 

If younger, that should fuck up anyone who picked her for 20/20 + 2 for 1926. And may invalidate that pick and point. 

Not a problem as far as I see

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

48 minutes ago, drol said:

I think it was an initial error which was echoed by other news sources.

I do believe The Independent are actually correct.

If you look at the history of her Wiki page, there was some edit warring in the past over her year of birth, before 1926 just became "accepted".

There are no birth records for her on Ancestry, as she is Greek, but there are Passenger and Crew Lists that record her from November 1962 and December 1962.

They both state that Irene Papas / Irene Lelekou Papa was born on 3 September 1929...

[YoungWillz 21,033]

8 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

I do believe The Independent are actually correct.

If you look at the history of her Wiki page, there was some edit warring in the past over her year of birth, before 1926 just became "accepted".

There are no birth records for her on Ancestry, as she is Greek, but there are Passenger and Crew Lists that record her from November 1962 and December 1962.

They both state that Irene Papas / Irene Lelekou Papa was born on 3 September 1929...

Possibly reduced to make her younger, for Hollywood purposes? 

 

I'm assuming her dob was on her passport, but hey, might have been faked by the film studios. They were good at props...

[tracy 2,392]

Her Bloomberg obituary mentions it.

 

Quote

Papas publicly joked that she was often quoted as being three years older than her actual age. She started a 2004 interview with Greek state television by saying, “I was born on Sept. 3, 1929. All the papers are there in Chiliomodi,” which is located near the southern Greek city of Corinth.

 

[YoungWillz 21,033]

3 minutes ago, tracy said:

Her Bloomberg obituary mentions it.

 

 

Imagine making out she was older.

 

We should find whoever started this Papas Smear....

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

1 minute ago, YoungWillz said:

Imagine making out she was older.

 

We should find whoever started this Papas Smear....

Probably the NY Times. When you go through their archives you find 1000s of historical articles loaded with incorrect ages, DOBs etc. including a lot of obituaries.

[DoorSlammer 561]

 

For what it's worth, a Greek Wikipedia user claims he pulled this from the (now defunct) public Greece records. This also says 1929 is her year of birth, but it could easily have been edited.

[time 8,596]

On 01/07/2022 at 11:21, Predictor said:

I'm 99% sure. There are a few people I couldn't confirm so I left them out. On the other hand, I forgot to add three names to the list: Mark Miller, Bo Bjelfvenstam & Ragnar Ulfung.

 

On 01/07/2022 at 14:56, Gisooo said:

Mark Miller who? There is no Swedish actor named Mark Miller. The one and only Mark Miller (Wiki) is American actor from Golden Age of Hollywood.

 

On 03/07/2022 at 00:07, Predictor said:

Believe it or not, he was in a Swedish movie once. So he gets on the list on a technicality. FYI, the broad media consesus at the time was that Blonde in Bondage was one of the worst movies of 1957. Guess which Hollywood actor never returned to make another movie in this part of the world again?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blonde_in_Bondage

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i71Qc6Ql7Gk

 

This Mark Miller? Who's now dead aged 97?

[ajlposh 549]

Deana Martin tweeted that Henry Silva has died

[Lewd_Squirrel 331]

I'll wait until I see more on this, to count it, as a hit, for me.

[tracy 2,392]

2 hours ago, ajlposh said:

Deana Martin tweeted that Henry Silva has died

 

Confirmed by Variety.

[Lewd_Squirrel 331]

And on the day after his birthday, too.

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

7 minutes ago, Lewd_Squirrel said:

And on the day after his birthday, too.

*before

[Lewd_Squirrel 331]

2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

*before

Yeah, I did some research, I saw that. I thought that it was today he died, not a few days ago.

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

Oh FFS, not this again.

Variety say Henry Silva was born 1928. The Hollywood Reporter are saying born in 1926.

[The Daredevil 1,189]

2 hours ago, ajlposh said:

Deana Martin tweeted that Henry Silva has died

They forgot Angie Dickinson!

 

Michael Dante is another American actor who looked very much liked Silva. Dante is currently 91, so definitely another one to keep an eye on.

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

3 minutes ago, The Daredevil said:

They forgot Angie Dickinson!

 

Michael Dante is another American actor who looked very much liked Silva. Dante is currently 91, so definitely another one to keep an eye on.

That's true, also Shirley MacLaine had a very minor role in it. Though I think they were referring to the "Ocean's 11" i.e. the group who perform the heist.

[Ulitzer95 12,584]

19 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Oh FFS, not this again.

Variety say Henry Silva was born 1928. The Hollywood Reporter are saying born in 1926.

I've looked on Ancestry. Cannot for the life of me find this guy's birth record. His early life is a total fog.

 @tracy, any thoughts?

Edit: I see THR talked to Silva's son, so I'm inclined to say they're correct! 

[tracy 2,392]

4 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

I've looked on Ancestry. Cannot for the life of me find this guy's birth record. His early life is a total fog.

  @tracy, any thoughts?

 

I'm sure THR is right. There's this record on Familytreenow:

NAME:	Henry Silva
BORN:	Sep 1926
AGE:	95
LIVES IN:	Los Angeles, CA
LIVED:	Beverly Hills CA, Tarzana CA

 

Variety also seems a little confused. They say he was 94, which would support 1928, but they also say he died on Wednesday, so he would have been 93. THR's article gives a full DOB and correctly indicates that he died Wednesday before his birthday. Given that, I conclude that they did their research, and Variety didn't. 1926 it is IMO.

 

EDIT: New York Times obituary gives his DOB as September 23, 1926, and mentions the erroneous 1928 date. Variety has also updated their article to say 95.

[gcreptile 10,966]

Metro QO says that his son posted that it was a day before his 96th birthday:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/16/henry-silva-dead-oceans-11-and-johnny-cool-actor-dies-aged-95-17393419/

 

I assume it's the common definition of birthday, i.e. not counting the day of birth itself.