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1 minute ago, Lafaucheuse said:

Do you say « who » as irony or do you really think she’s not that famous ?

She says "who?"

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2 hours ago, Lafaucheuse said:

Do you say « who » as irony or do you really think she’s not that famous ?

I'm quite sure it's a joke about her endstage Alzheimer's ;)

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31 minutes ago, ThereWillBeDeaths7 said:

I'm quite sure it's a joke about her endstage Alzheimer's ;)

Oooooh yeah it makes sense I totally forgot about that ! Thanks that’s brillant then :D

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On 26/12/2021 at 20:54, arghton said:

17. Nguyễn Văn Cốc, Vietnam guy #3 and the top-scoring fighter ace of the Vietnam War retired in 2002 due to declining health. Looks like a corpse:

 

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Apparently soon after retiring he fell down the stairs and suffered a spinal injury. 2015 article.

I assume he was paralyzed from waist down and seems like he can't move his other arm either. That picture is from December 2020 and he was already in bad health back then. Don't know if he's been seen since.

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On 30/12/2021 at 19:55, drol said:

Immortals: the 2022 class

 

Here's the new immortals for 2022! I think 30 names is reasonable; list is in the making.

 

19)Driss Guiga (1924): Tunisian Minister of the Interior, rumoured dead four years ago!

Picture that's apparently from two days ago, from facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10228011920231860)

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Not only does he look amazing for a 97-year old man and much better than last year, "he has an elephant's memory, is lucid and healthy"

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Lata Mangeshkar (1929-2022)

 

"She is stable and improving"

(Asha Bosle after visiting the morgue)

 

Why her and not Meena?

(Every Indian on how useless Meena Khadikar is)

 

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Age at death: 92

Known health issues: ICU and life support with acute respiratory failure in 2019. COVID, pneumonia, sepsis and multiple organ failure in 2022.

Cause of death: Multiple organ failure as a complications from COVID-19.

Alignment: The greatest Indian singer of the last century, also a stereotypical spinster and moralist who refused to accept an award because "the statue was nude".

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Added Mahathir and Yusuf Qaradawi.

 

Only three spots left for this year...

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Oceania doesn't have any immortals.

I gathered some candidates that could be worthy now or later...

Bill Hayden (1933-2023) Aussie governor-general who was hospitalised for seven months after suffering a stroke and a fall in 2014. Rumored to be in frail health and in a nursing home, reappears when he was baptized in 2018, looked very frail. How the hell is he still alive?

Tui Ātua Tupua Tamasese Efi (1938-) and Ati George Sokomanu (1937-) Oceanian former despots heads of state. Efi looks frail and will be 84 next month, Sokomanu is 85 and was widowed in 2020.

 

 

And also recently saw a new (taken a couple of months ago) picture of one of the folks on my old lists:

On 10/04/2021 at 19:21, arghton said:

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Ele Alenius (born 1925) The "He's still alive?" guy of Finland, a former parliament member and party leader, minister in the 60s and 70s and author. Had a stroke in 2018 and moved to a care home in 2021.

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Looks great for someone who suffered a stroke and a fall at 92/93

 

 

Quite a lot of immortals falling recently. 5 in January, 3 this far in February and it's only the 7th! Compare to the first three months of 2021, only had 6 deaths. 

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On 14/01/2022 at 09:15, arghton said:

https://www.sohu.com/a/515205723_120952561

Article from last week on Ma Shitu, 107 today. Doesn't have new pictures but seems like he's still writing and will have a birthday celebration. However his 97-year old friend, Mao Dun Literature Prize winning novelist Wang Huo is in bad health due to multiple myocardial infections and can't attend that party.

Zhang Jie, female writer who won Mao Dun Prize twice, dead at 84.

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Maria Nyerere looks great, atleast compared to nearly all of the others from the class of '21.

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On 06/02/2022 at 09:07, drol said:

Lata Mangeshkar (1929-2022)

 

"She is stable and improving"

(Asha Bosle after visiting the morgue)

 

Why her and not Meena?

(Every Indian on how useless Meena Khadikar is)

 

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Age at death: 92

Known health issues: ICU and life support with acute respiratory failure in 2019. COVID, pneumonia, sepsis and multiple organ failure in 2022.

Cause of death: Multiple organ failure as a complications from COVID-19.

Alignment: The greatest Indian singer of the last century, also a stereotypical spinster and moralist who refused to accept an award because "the statue was nude".

Not all spinsters are prudes, and not all prudes are spinsters. 

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On 22/01/2022 at 20:49, arghton said:

Ajeery seems to have been bedbound and on oxygen six years ago at 95

Saleh Ajeery unbelievably dead at 101.

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Ajeery's Arabic wiki page is pretty interesting. Pretty much a national hero in Kuwait for his work in the field of astronomy. 

He'd been in declining health since his 80s according to that wiki page, unable to talk clearly and mostly bedbound since 2015 or before, also nearly completely blind and deaf for his last years with a ton of illnesses, still survived covid. 

Anyways, seems to have been a great guy. Cared for his siblings after his mother died, cared for his wife when she was in bad condition with osteoporosis. Owned pigeons and was also a poet, magician and an actor. Rest in Peace.

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Saleh Ajeery (1920-2022)

 

When I started astronomy there were three planets in the solar system

 

 

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Age at death: 101

Known health issues: Suffering from COPD, heart failure and mostly bedridden since 2015. Was on life support with COVID for two weeks in late 2020.

Cause of death: natural causes

Alignment: Intelligent, funny and pleasant person

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Would Chaim Kanievsky be worthy of becoming an immortal? Old friend of Dovid, ultraorthodox rabbi, now 94 and with many health troubles in as Drol mentioned over a year ago:

 

He hasn't left his house much during the last years, overweight, apparently senile and doesn't know who the prime minister of his country is, nearly deaf and survived covid in 2020 when he was reported to be in "worsening" and "deteriorating" condition by the Israeli press. But despite all of this he's now doing pretty well. 

 

He's also been one of the most ghoul-looking people alive for the last decade:

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I have no idea what's happening in the second picture. Looks like he's examining a pair of limes but shows how large he is.

 

 

And the three other names I'll put here, they have some potential:

 

Dagny Carlsson (1912-2022) Hospitalised multiple times, most recently in January 2022, has survived multiple bouts of pneumonia after 105.

Satya Mohan Joshi Pneumonia, UTI, pulmonary edema and gastritis in 2014, pneumonia and heart issues in 2021, pneumonia and UTI in 2022. 

Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee "Young", but he's looked like a corpse for yeara, suffering from COPD for ages and also has lung and heart diseases. Hospitalised in 2019 on BIPAP support with breathing problems and high bp, hospitalised in "very critical" condition and put on ventilator in December 2020 with serious breathing problems and lacunar infarcts, survived being in ICU with covid in May 2021. 

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Joshi, Kanievsky and Bhattacharjee deservedly enter the list of immortals. That's it for this year.

 

Have to say it was a serious battle between Chaim and Gershon Edelstein. Better luck next year, you Orthodox cunt.

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I was wondering how much of them, from the living immortals were born in 1924 or 1927, decided to do a list of the Immortals from this thread by year of birth:

 

1902 OR 1903: Kane Tanaka

1904: Lucile Randon

1909: Lawrence Brooks, Juan Vicente Perez Mora

1912: Shi Ping

1913: G. Venkatasubbiah, Boris Pahor, Zhang Lixiong

1914: Tu Tongjin

1915: Ma Shitu

1916: Nguyễn Côn

1917: Florence Alice Lubega, Song Ping, Yang You

1918: Philipose Mar Chrysostom

1919: Emmanuel Evans-Anfom, K. R. Gouri Amma, Leonor Oyarzún, Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani

1920: Saleh Ajeery, David Musuguri, Vassos Lyssarides, Wan Haifeng, Zou Yu, Satya Mohan Joshi, Josip Manolic

1921: Meshulam Dovid Soloveitchik, Archibald Mogwe, Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, Amadou-Mahtar M'Bow, Mustafa Ben Halim, Guy Warren

1922: Dilip Kumar, Gaositwe Chiepe, Chen Ning Yang, Luis Echeverria, Sarah Obama

1923: Bob Dole, Henry Kissinger, V. S. Achuthanandan, Lucia Hiriart, Yuriko (Princess Mikasa), Bob Barker, Ashi Tashi Dorji, Gershon Edelstein, Du Daozheng

1924: Jimmy Carter, Leslie Phillips, John Rigas, Kenneth Kaunda, Juan Ponce Enrile, Driss Guiga, Wang Huo, Khamtai Siphandone/Siphandon, Thich Thanh Tu, Charlie Munger, Sonomyn Luvsangombo, Shmuel Kamenetsky

1925: Mikis TheodorakisTrần Thiện Khiêm, VMAR Ri Yong-mu, Wang Hanbin, Yang Hyong-sop, Mahathir Mohamad, Francesco Merloni, Ignacio Lopez Tarso, Giorgio Napolitano, David Graham

1926: Thích Nhất Hạnh, Jiang Zemin, Tsung-Dao Lee, Abdoulaye Wade, Yusuf Qaradawi, Emmanuel Wamala, KH Ali Yafie, Sheikh Salem Al-Ali Al-Sabah, Solihin GP

1927: Tin Oo, Edwin Edwards, Tommy Lasorda, Sidney Cooke, Nasser Makarem Shirazi, Alma Adamkiene, Parkash Singh Badal, Hsing Yun

1928: Zhu Rongji, Chaim Kanievsky, Yoshiro Nakamatsu, Mangosuthu Buthelezi, Shimon Baadani, Kim Yong-nam, Jean-Marie Le Pen

1929: Syed Ali Shah Geelani, Hu Qili, Violeta Chamorro, Muhammad Rafiq Tarar, Lata Mangeshkar, Selim Hoss

1930: Joanne Woodward, Carmen Sevilla, Carlos Menem, Maria Nyerere, Emmanuel Milingo, Shahabuddin Ahmed, Jean-Louis Trintignant, Cesar Virata, Ivan Krasko, Jose Sarney

1931: Monica Vitti, Paulo Maluf, Mwai Kibaki, Yan Mingfu, Mario Zagallo, Dries van Agt, Kenneth Cope, Cleopa Msuya, Silvia Pinal, Khieu Samphan, Lee Man-hee

1932: Queen Sirikit, Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, Tep Vong, Manmohan Singh, Red Farmer

1933: Larry King, Doyle Brunson, Tinto Brass, Willie Nelson, Surat Singh Khalsa, Ilia II, Alexander Mitta

1934: -

1935: Jerry Lee Lewis, Kaikala Satyanarayana, Seiji Ozawa, Chiam See Tong

1936: -

1937: Yu Miu-Lin, Joseph Estrada, Manohar Joshi

1938: Alberto Fujimori, Nritya Gopal Das

1939: Mulayam Singh Yadav

1940: -

1941: -

1942: -

1943: Superstar Billy Graham

1944: Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee

1945: -

1946: -

1947: -

1948: -

1949: Jayapataka Swami

 

Debatable/exact year of birth not known:

 

Saalumarada Thimmakka: 1910/1911, also reported to have been born in 1913, 1915 and 1919. Nobody seems to really know. 

Fauja Singh: Likely born ca. 1928. Definitely not born in 1911, though.

Chief Raoni Metuktire: Reported either "ca. 1930" or as Wikipedia says, 1932 (exact birthdate not known)

Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf: Born either 1937 or 1940. 

Joseph Lagu: 1929 or 1931

Muja: between 1925 and 1937

(Kabosu excluded)

 

Now if I haven't forgotten someone, the "strongest" years are 1930 (7 living immortals!), 1924 (6), 1923 (5), 1920 and 1926 (both have 4)

 

1923 was somehow left almost unscathed by 2021 and this far 2022 too, only death from that cohort of immortals since Dec 2020 has been Bob Dole. Might change soon as most of them are incredibly frail. 

I'm also suprised how all the Chinese ones are still alive. There's 12 of them (eight from the Dec 2020 list, four from the Dec 2021 additions), four of them centenarians (including a 107-year-old and someone who will be 105 in two months) and some who seem to have been gravely ill for...too long. 

 

By country of birth, excluding countries in Asia:

 

AMERICAS:

US: Jimmy Carter, Joanne Woodward, Henry Kissinger, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bob Barker

Peru: Alberto Fujimori

Mexico: Luis Echeverria

Brazil: Raoni Metuktire, Paulo Maluf

Nicaragua: Violeta Chamorro

 

EUROPE:

UK: Leslie Phillips, Sidney Cooke

Spain: Carmen Sevilla

France: Jean-Louis Trintignant

Italy (at the time Austria-Hungary): Boris Pahor

Belarus (at the time Second Polish Republic): Chaim Kanievsky (now lives in Israel)

 

AFRICA:

Tanzania (at the time Tanganyika): David Musuguri, Maria Nyerere

Botswana (at the time Bechuanaland Protectorate): Gaositwe Chiepe

Senegal (at the time Frech Senegal): Amadou-Mahtar M'Bow, Abdoulaye Wade

Zambia (at the time Northern Rhodesia): Emmanuel Milingo

Kenya (at the time Kenya Colony): Mwai Kibaki

Tunisia (at the time French protectorate of Tunisia): Driss Guiga

Egypt (at the time Kingdom of Egypt): Yusuf Qaradawi

.....

Updates:

 

Carmen Sevilla: "Completely lost her memory but fine and perfectly cared for" Her alzheimers is "very advanced", I assume this means that she's bedbound and unable to talk but currently not ill with anything else, for example infections.

Wan Haifeng: "Still healthy at 101"

V. S. Achuthanandan: "Bedridden"

Paulo Maluf: "In semi-intensive care with covid since the 18th, but on the mend and going to be discharged soon" as mentioned in the Hospitalised thread. Now discharged.

Boris Pahor: Frail but can still give interviews as mentioned in the Centenarians thread.

Mahathir Mohamad: As mentioned in his thread, can't lead his party but can participate in politics, has almost completely recovered from his December/January heart disease. However he's recovered well and can now walk without a stick and even ride a bike.

Yu Miu-Lin: Celebrates 84th birthday in advance, wheelchairbound.

General Thura U Tin Oo: Hospitalised with covid on the 18th of February, discharged on the 28th of February.

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Shahabuddin has also been "critically ill" for a week more or less. 

 

Tough immortal material.

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3 minutes ago, drol said:

Shahabuddin has also been "critically ill" for a week more or less. 

 

Tough immortal material.

Yes, a Cup pick of mine. He has a terrible health history, I was actually surprised about all of that. If he survives this month, he should be added.

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13 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Yes, a Cup pick of mine. He has a terrible health history, I was actually surprised about all of that. If he survives this month, he should be added.

He is on the 2022 class. He and Tarar are incredible.

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Chaim Kanievsky took part in a baking ceremony two days ago:

He mostly sleeps, but (with assistance) pours one glass of water into a bowl at around 0:48 and at 1:11 holds an item with his hand (and seems like that hand is a bit swollen)

Also, didn't know he was born in Pinsk, which is now in Belarus. Back then a part of the Second Polish Republic (1918-1939)

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On 30/12/2021 at 18:55, drol said:

10)Paulo Maluf (1931): Brazilian politician and crook. Gets hospitalised with pneumonia 20 time a year.

Updates: new picture from home, not too bad considering his age and health but he looks lost. He receives 24h care and alternates moments of lucidity and bewilderment.

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On 14/02/2022 at 10:05, arghton said:

Would Chaim Kanievsky be worthy of becoming an immortal? Old friend of Dovid, ultraorthodox rabbi, now 94 and with many health troubles in as Drol mentioned over a year ago:

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I have no idea what's happening in the second picture. Looks like he's examining a pair of limes but shows how large he is.

 

It's a Sukkot thing. More about it here --> Etrog inspecting for Sukkot.  There's an Israeli film based around a precious Etrog called 'Ushpizin'.

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Muhammad Rafiq Tarar (1929-2022)

 

Remember when I said I would take Shahabuddin Ahmed before you?

Yes, you said it! you said it!

I lied

(Last exchange between the Reaper and Tarar)

 

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Age at death: 92

Known health issues: Come on, that picture was taken in fucking 2017!

Cause of death: Heart attack.

Alignment: He had the guts to stand up against Musharraf.

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