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5 minutes ago, openviews said:

National Records of Scotland is accused of 'flouting the law' by trying to block legitimate attempts to obtain copy of the Queen's death certificate
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11258999/National-Records-Scotland-blocking-legitimate-attempts-copy-Queens-death-certificate.html

I take it Sturgeon has run out of toilet paper.

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14 hours ago, openviews said:

National Records of Scotland is accused of 'flouting the law' by trying to block legitimate attempts to obtain copy of the Queen's death certificate
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11258999/National-Records-Scotland-blocking-legitimate-attempts-copy-Queens-death-certificate.html


It probably is flouting the law. 
 

The poke-nose bastard should mind her own business. 

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Extract of death certificate published

 

Died at 15:10

 

(So none of the ones who weren't in Scotland beforehand made it in time then IIRC)

 

Cause of death given as Old Age

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11 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

Extract of death certificate published

 

Died at 15:10

 

(So none of the ones who weren't Scotland made it in time then IIRC)

 

Cause of death given as Old Age

So a couple of hours before the official announcement, but a little later than I expected.

 

Edit: But yes, going back through this thread, it means we were given a bit of a play to watch.

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12 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

Extract of death certificate published

 

Died at 15:10

 

(So none of the ones who weren't Scotland made it in time then IIRC)

 

Cause of death given as Old Age


I am surprised they didn’t announce the time of her death at the time if they knew it would be published - or did they forget Scottish death certificates have the time of death when English ones don’t. 
 

Also Anne registered the Death not Charles. Would have thought protocol would have been the new Sovereign did it.

 

Pretty much the same time of day as her Mother died.

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No real surprise they say that, they're never going to admit anything else.. still think she had some sort of stroke or died in sleep

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On 08/09/2022 at 17:49, gcreptile said:

I think I'm also starting to believe that she's already dead.

Indeed.

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EDIT: Deleted my pisstake of the Clive Dunn post by tomarse now he’s edited it away, and in so doing made mine look like a Dunn post briefly which was a very clever move if I’m honest.

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I knew that theories of her having died at noon were impossible. When the Sovereign dies the Prime Minister has a need and right to know ASAP. And they had told earlier that she was informed at 15:30.

 

Edit. The PM was told only at 16:30! Had they really right to withhold that information so long? But then again, she had been told already by noon that the Queen would die within hours.

 

Second edit. It seems the PM was informed already "early on Thursday morning", well before she gave her energy plan statement at the parliament.

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On 08/09/2022 at 15:01, Slackhurst Broadcasting said:


Jean-Luc Godard.

Not bad

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Had a look at the scan of the certificate, it's a bit ominous how the most visible bit of the background ornament are these DEATH swirls repeating all across the page.

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On 08/09/2022 at 13:10, Cian said:

Flightplan filed for 13:30 for one of the Falcon 900s to get to Aberdeen, presumably William. If she's hanging on / being kept alive for his arrival it could be over by 4.

So Wills etc didn't get there in time; but it was all over by 4 regardless!

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Also interesting her surname was just Windsor when her descendants use Mountbatten- Windsor. 

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On 29/09/2022 at 14:20, The Old Crem said:

Also Anne registered the Death not Charles. Would have thought protocol would have been the new Sovereign did it.

 

Pretty much the same time of day as her Mother died.

 

Not really surprising Anne signed it. On the Friday it was signed (the Friday of the lying-in-state), Charles was on a helicopter going to Wales for his first official visit and Anne was in Scotland meeting patrons of charities the Queen was involved with. She was her daughter and present at the death, why does it need to be Charles?

 

15 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

Also interesting her surname was just Windsor when her descendants use Mountbatten- Windsor. 

 

Also not surprising. I know plenty of examples of parents who keep their maiden names and double-barrel their children. She is from the House of Windsor, she married a Mountbatten, so her children are Mountbatten-Windsors. In the same way Queen Victoria was the last monarch of the House of Hanover and her son was the first monarch of the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha. Which the Windsors technically are too.

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Part 4: 2001–2003

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John Diamond (1953–2001; 47) Journalist and husband of Nigella Lawson; died from throat cancer

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Dickie Davis (1966–2003; 37) First class cricketer (Kent, Warwickshire, Gloucestershire); died from brain cancer

 

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On 29/09/2022 at 14:20, The Old Crem said:

Also Anne registered the Death not Charles. Would have thought protocol would have been the new Sovereign did it.

 

No, there is no place for protocol here.  There are rules about who can register a death.

 

In Scotland, you can register a death if you:

  • are related to someone who has died
  • were there when the person died
  • are an executor or solicitor of the person who has died
  • lived with the person who died, if they died at home

If you're none of the above, but no one else can register the death, you can register the death as long as you:

  • know the details of the person who has died
  • have the right documents

 

So Charles could have done it, but it has nothing to do with his being the new sovereign.

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4 minutes ago, Toast said:

 

No, there is no place for protocol here.  There are rules about who can register a death.

 

In Scotland, you can register a death if you:

  • are related to someone who has died
  • were there when the person died
  • are an executor or solicitor of the person who has died
  • lived with the person who died, if they died at home

If you're none of the above, but no one else can register the death, you can register the death as long as you:

  • know the details of the person who has died
  • have the right documents

 

So Charles could have done it, but it has nothing to do with his being the new sovereign.

Considering how many protocols they are about things in the royal family I just thought they could have been one for this. 

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1 hour ago, The Old Crem said:

Sad news.
 

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We now await The Engineer and another conspiracy theory, ya know, The Queen ain't dead.

Nope,  she just disappeared to live her remaining days in South America with Jim Morrison and anybody who was involved in the funeral is being bumped off coz they know too much.

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On 29/09/2022 at 14:13, DCI Frank Burnside said:

Extract of death certificate published

Died at 15:10

(So none of the ones who weren't in Scotland beforehand made it in time then IIRC)

Cause of death given as Old Age

 

So the poster below was way out, then.  Especially as certified time of death is usually a bit later than the actual death.  Probably only a few minutes in this case.

 

On 08/09/2022 at 17:37, YouOnlyDieOnce said:

She passed away at 16:50 this afternoon. My cousin's wife is getting the final touches to the 6pm bulletin ready. Her colleague, Huw Edwards is in bits apparently.

Don't shoot the messenger, it's chaos in the BBC Cardiff office right now. Headless chickens everywhere.

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On 25/09/2022 at 01:27, Ulitzer95 said:

Well this thread needs to get to 200 pages somehow, so here's the first part to a very pointless list, though hopefully some will find it interesting and reflective. A list of selected notable British subjects who were both born in and died during the timeframe of QEII's reign.
 


It is oddly interesting: some people you'd forgotten about, some you didn't know were dead, some who seem to contain a whole era in their picture.

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On 08/09/2022 at 17:37, YouOnlyDieOnce said:

She passed away at 16:50 this afternoon. My cousin's wife is getting the final touches to the 6pm bulletin ready. Her colleague, Huw Edwards is in bits apparently.

 

Don't shoot the messenger, it's chaos in the BBC Cardiff office right now. Headless chickens everywhere.

 

Time of death wrong, time of bulletin wrong and the location of Mr Edwards, who was at Broadcasting House, surely. Also, how could your cousins wife tell that he was "in bits" when he was on screen for more than 5 hrs and announced the news of the Queen's death with such measured calm?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Sly Ronnie said:

 

Time of death wrong, time of bulletin wrong and the location of Mr Edwards, who was at Broadcasting House, surely. Also, how could your cousins wife tell that he was "in bits" when he was on screen for more than 5 hrs and announced the news of the Queen's death with such measured calm?

 

 

Probably not true about the headless chickens either.

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Part 5: 2004–2006

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Cormac McAnallen (1980–2004; 24) Gaelic footballer (Tyrone); died from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS)

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John McGeoch (1955–2004; 48) Rock guitarist and songwriter (Magazine, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Visage); died from epilepsy complications

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Caron Keating (1962–2004; 41) Television presenter; died from breast cancer

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Fritha Goodey (1972–2004; 31) Actress (About a Boy); committed suicide

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Robert Heaton (1961–2004; 53) Rock drummer (New Model Army); died from complications of a fall

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John Balance (1962–2004; 42) Singer-songwriter (Coil), poet and occultist; fell from a balcony whilst drinking

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Martyn Bennett (1971–2005; 33) Celtic fusion musician and composer; died from cancer

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Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 11th Earl of Shaftesbury (1977–2005; 27) Hereditary peer; died from a heart attack

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Domino Harvey (1969–2005; 35) Bounty hunter; died from a barbiturates overdose

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Harry Thompson (1960–2005; 45) Radio and television producer, comedy writer and novelist; died from lung cancer

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Steve Whatley (1959–2005; 46) Theatre actor, television presenter (QVC) and journalist; committed suicide

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Adrian Biddle (1952–2005; 53) Cinematographer (Thelma & Louise, Judge Dredd, The World is Not Enough); died from a heart attack

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Gordon Duncan (1964–2005; 41) Bagpiper; died from complications of alcoholism

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Rachel Squire (1954–2006; 51) Labour politician, MP (1992–2006); died from brain cancer

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Mark Philo (1984–2006; 21) Footballer (Wycombe Wanderers); died in a car crash whilst intoxicated

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Lynden David Hall (1974–2006; 31) Soul singer-songwriter; died from Hodgkin's lymphoma

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Lou Gish (1967–2006; 38) Stage, film and television actress (EastEnders); died from cancer

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Linda Smith (1958–2006; 48) Comedian and comedy writer; died from ovarian cancer

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Jack Wild (1952–2006; 53) Actor (Oliver!); died from oral cancer

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Nikki Sudden (1956–2006; 49) Singer-songwriter and guitarist (Swell Maps); died from a heart attack

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David Sharp (1972–2006; 34) Mountaineer; died from hypothermia whilst climbing Mount Everest

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Kevin Hughes (1952–2006; 53) Labour politician, MP (1992–2005); died from motor neurone disease

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Bryan Budd VC (1977–2006; 29) British Army Corporal, recipient of the Victoria Cross; killed in action in Afghanistan

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Paul Hunter (1978–2006; 27) Snooker player; died from a rare nervous system cancer

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Alexander Litvinenko (1962–2006; 44) Russian defector; murdered by radiation poisoning

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Craig Hinton (1964–2006; 42) Writer of Doctor Who spinoffs; died from a heart attack

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Ah Craig, what a lovely chap he was, an awful tragedy. No matter his own troubles, if he heard someone he knew had problems, he'd be right there with emails full of advice and jokes and other help. 

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