Suicidal Celebs

[The Pooka 26]

 

 

http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~chuff/holiday.html should take you there. Methods 9, 25 and 35 are particularly interesting.

 

I would take issue with method 28 - Skydiving accident. Since it is rare that people jump alone there would be a more than a slight chance of being rescued by an alert fellow skydiver. I think, therefore, that there is an unacceptably high risk of failure in this method and would urge anyone thinking of using it to think again. It's foolhardy. I regard the suggestion as somewhat irresponsible bordering on callous in an otherwise thoughtfully considered list.

'More than slight' - I doubt it. But you may know more than me. Remember if the person is sufficiently motivated to disable both the main and the reserve parachute they may not welcome any attempt to 'rescue' them (at close to 200km/h).

 

I am impressed that you are studying the methods and hope that none of them attract you, good to see you back (your book will emerge when it is ready).

 

 

 

 

Has anyone thought about what method they would use?

I know about this stuff Pook since I took lifesaving badges etc in swimming as a youth. As you say it is quite likely that a struggling person will panic and lash out at you so you are supposed to sock them on the jaw to sort of quieten them and then you pull them to the side while supporting their head above water. So you might have to do the former stuff with a kamikazi parachutist but after that you need only hold on to them while you deploy your shoot for the both of you. Speed through the air is not an issue when you are both travelling at the same velocity. Obviously you need to keep tight hold when the parachute jerks. I think that jumping off a high building - as Tracey Emin (see earlier post) could possibly contemplate as performance art - is likely to be far more effective without any real risk of failure. (re-parenthasis: true, but book won't write itself)

Well Godot, this is most heroic. I hope that having 'rescued' this person who was determined to die, he wallops you within an inch of your life for foiling him.

[The Pooka 26]

As a suicide survivor (three attempts - two were incompetent and one was ill-timed) and self injurer, and carrying a nice little package of bipolar disorder I for the last 23+ years, I've always been amazed at my propensity for creative pain. It served me well in childbirth when I was able to refuse all pain meds, but then it also allows me to turn around and idly draw pictures on my stomach with a utility knife or make a nice little mickey mouse background with a lit cigarette.

 

Fortunately I've managed to have that nice little personality trait under control for many years with only a few periods of emergence.

Good to hear its under control CA. My understanding is that the majority of self-injurers find other ways to cope eventually. But while they're harming they can get a pretty tough deal from the 'caring services'.

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

Indeed CarolAnn, go well. The longer you go without an episode the more strength you can draw from such survival.

[Octopus of Odstock 2,203]

How many drivers died in Lotuses? I'm sure it was even more than average for the 50s/60s/70s

 

According to this site, 52

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

A spectator and a policeman also make the list but - either way - bloody death traps. Chapman always was a specialist in making them light and manoeverable, okay when they were going in the right direction, eh?

[Octopus of Odstock 2,203]

On my usual topic, the only F1 driver to commit suicide was 'Wild' Willy Mairesse (aged 40 and career in terminal decline) in 1969.

 

Also realised Hap Sharp - who was terminally ill & had other financial & personal problems. So 3.

[Rotten Ali 600]

Octopus of Odstock Posted Oct 9 2006, 08:31 PM

QUOTE(M.Lawrenson @ Oct 5 2006, 12:05 AM)

 

How many drivers died in Lotuses? I'm sure it was even more than average for the 50s/60s/70s

 

 

 

According to this site, 52

 

Thanks for that OoO, you are putting me off my Elise! Then again its hard to erase the perma-grin.

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

The statistic to make you smile comes when you look at the years in which they died. They could hold a re-union for 1960s Lotus F1 drivers in a minibus these days. They'd probably squeeze what's left of their legend - Jim Clark - into the glove compartment.

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

Suicide notes , mainly celebs. An insight into the self-obsession and feeling of uselessness if and when they can't or don't work anymore. It's this kind of attitude we need to spot in the live ones if we're gonna net decent deadpool points.

[The Pooka 26]

Suicide notes , mainly celebs. An insight into the self-obsession and feeling of uselessness if and when they can't or don't work anymore. It's this kind of attitude we need to spot in the live ones if we're gonna net decent deadpool points.

Excellent stuff.

Lupe Velez

(July 18, 1908 - December 13, 1944)

Tempestuous Mexican actress with a brief career in musical comedy theater followed by a brief career in cinema. Made close to fifty movies in her lifetime, but none catapulted her to the superstardom she'd hoped for. Swallowed handful of sleeping pills. Left two poignant notes detailing tales of unrequited love and expectant motherhood.

 

I think she featured in a Frasier episode as Ros's example of things turning out unexpectedly. Apparently, she stumbled under the influence of her overdose and died with her head jammed down the toilet. Not how she intended to be found at all.....

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

And thereby in there with Marie Provest - a silent film actress immortalised in song by Nick Lowe - who didn't cope with talkies, topped herself and lay undiscovered for several days. By the time her door was broken down a large section of her face and neck were missing, having been eaten by her dog!

[Handrejka 1,904]

Suicide notes , mainly celebs. An insight into the self-obsession and feeling of uselessness if and when they can't or don't work anymore. It's this kind of attitude we need to spot in the live ones if we're gonna net decent deadpool points.

Excellent stuff.

Lupe Velez

(July 18, 1908 - December 13, 1944)

Tempestuous Mexican actress with a brief career in musical comedy theater followed by a brief career in cinema. Made close to fifty movies in her lifetime, but none catapulted her to the superstardom she'd hoped for. Swallowed handful of sleeping pills. Left two poignant notes detailing tales of unrequited love and expectant motherhood.

 

 

 

 

Yes, she's the one who wouldn't get an abortion because of "strong Catholic beliefs" but was happy to kill herself whilst pregnant, last time I checked the Catholic church wasn't too fond on suicide either.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,358]

Suicide notes , mainly celebs. An insight into the self-obsession and feeling of uselessness if and when they can't or don't work anymore. It's this kind of attitude we need to spot in the live ones if we're gonna net decent deadpool points.

Excellent stuff.

Lupe Velez

(July 18, 1908 - December 13, 1944)

Tempestuous Mexican actress with a brief career in musical comedy theater followed by a brief career in cinema. Made close to fifty movies in her lifetime, but none catapulted her to the superstardom she'd hoped for. Swallowed handful of sleeping pills. Left two poignant notes detailing tales of unrequited love and expectant motherhood.

 

 

 

 

Yes, she's the one who wouldn't get an abortion because of "strong Catholic beliefs" but was happy to kill herself whilst pregnant, last time I checked the Catholic church wasn't too fond on suicide either.

 

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

[The Pooka 26]

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

It was also the case in the UK and much of Europe. They hanged an unsuccessful suicide in London in the 1800s. Unfortunately, because he had cut his throat he continued to breathe through the wound. The aldermen took him down, bound his neck and hanged him again. Taught him a lesson he'll never forget.

 

All in Suicide: the Savage God by Al Alvarez.

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

Pooka, that's class. Can you refer us to somewhere on line we can read a fuller account?

[Magere Hein 1,400]

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

It was also the case in the UK and much of Europe. They hanged an unsuccessful suicide in London in the 1800s. Unfortunately, because he had cut his throat he continued to breathe through the wound. The aldermen took him down, bound his neck and hanged him again. Taught him a lesson he'll never forget.

It seems to miss the point though. If one really wants to punish a suicide attempt one ought to give the perpetrator life.

 

regards,

Hein

[Tempus Fugit 214]

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

It was also the case in the UK and much of Europe. They hanged an unsuccessful suicide in London in the 1800s. Unfortunately, because he had cut his throat he continued to breathe through the wound. The aldermen took him down, bound his neck and hanged him again. Taught him a lesson he'll never forget.

It seems to miss the point though. If one really wants to punish a suicide attempt one ought to give the perpetrator life.

 

regards,

Hein

Or if you're feeling particularly cruel, sentence them to watching a dozen omnibus episodes of EastEnders. Worse than a dozen consecutive life sentences imo.

[The Pooka 26]

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

It was also the case in the UK and much of Europe. They hanged an unsuccessful suicide in London in the 1800s. Unfortunately, because he had cut his throat he continued to breathe through the wound. The aldermen took him down, bound his neck and hanged him again. Taught him a lesson he'll never forget.

It seems to miss the point though. If one really wants to punish a suicide attempt one ought to give the perpetrator life.

 

regards,

Hein

I suppose they were driven by religion rather than behaviourism. Though, if you are interested in the history, the Bible, unlike the Koran, does not forbid suicide. It was only when the Christians became embarrassed by a suicidal sect called the Donatists (an early version of suicide bombers, only without bombs) that they forbade suicide on the basis that it broke the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment. But that was over 1000 years ago - I'm saying nothing more out of fear of a fatwah.

[Tempus Fugit 214]

In China the penalty for attempted suicide used to be execution.

It was also the case in the UK and much of Europe. They hanged an unsuccessful suicide in London in the 1800s. Unfortunately, because he had cut his throat he continued to breathe through the wound. The aldermen took him down, bound his neck and hanged him again. Taught him a lesson he'll never forget.

It seems to miss the point though. If one really wants to punish a suicide attempt one ought to give the perpetrator life.

 

regards,

Hein

I suppose they were driven by religion rather than behaviourism. Though, if you are interested in the history, the Bible, unlike the Koran, does not forbid suicide. It was only when the Christians became embarrassed by a suicidal sect called the Donatists (an early version of suicide bombers, only without bombs) that they forbade suicide on the basis that it broke the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment. But that was over 1000 years ago - I'm saying nothing more out of fear of a fatwah.

It's all cultural as well, the Japanese practically look on suicide as just another hobby.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4071805.stm

[Magere Hein 1,400]

I suppose they were driven by religion rather than behaviourism. Though, if you are interested in the history, the Bible, unlike the Koran, does not forbid suicide. It was only when the Christians became embarrassed by a suicidal sect called the Donatists (an early version of suicide bombers, only without bombs) that they forbade suicide on the basis that it broke the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment. But that was over 1000 years ago - I'm saying nothing more out of fear of a fatwah.

As I understand it the Bible means whatever you like it to mean. I guess the same is true for all other holy books. In that respect the commandment about not killing is normally explained as: kill whomever you like if it's politically expedient. If the victim is an infidel, heretic or member of a competing faction it may well land you a first-row seat in heaven.

 

I'm an infidel, so no fatwah is required.

 

regards,

Hein

[DevonDeathTrip 2,358]

The award-winning writer Paul Abbott, who created the TV dramas Clocking Off and Shameless, has spoken of his "constant" thoughts of suicide.

 

"It crosses your mind every day," he said. "You look at a bridge and think: 'Oh, that's high enough.'"

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6351709.stm

[maryportfuncity 10,657]

The award-winning writer Paul Abbott, who created the TV dramas Clocking Off and Shameless, has spoken of his "constant" thoughts of suicide.

 

"It crosses your mind every day," he said. "You look at a bridge and think: 'Oh, that's high enough.'"

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6351709.stm

 

I f*****g don't, I look at a bridge and think; 'that's a bridge.' Think it works better my way, despite the fact he's famous.

[Banshees Scream 110]

As I understand it the Bible means whatever you like it to mean. I guess the same is true for all other holy books. In that respect the commandment about not killing is normally explained as: kill whomever you like if it's politically expedient. If the victim is an infidel, heretic or member of a competing faction it may well land you a first-row seat in heaven.

 

I'll make one comment here.

 

The bible is supposed to be a guide or to extremists a way of life through all the devestation. When you are in weakness, when your lonely or sad, look through the pages and a few words from a disciple might explain your circumstance. I agree that the bible may be what you want it to be, i've heard people say something similar about life itself. I don't think I have ever said a written prayer in my life, but I admit through certain times i've spoken to god as I would speak to anyone in my mind. It seemed more necessary that way. If you are an atheist, take it into consideration that talking to god may be talking to yourself, and other people are doing that and claiming bouts of success, the reason is in the shadows. It could be a way of self confidence and trust, a way of organization of your thoughts, a inner plan that will lead to understanding, a wall of security, or even dragging your hopes and wishes everynight from the ground and bringing them to the surface for further accomplishment. I'm about to start another poem, it's about how you think in life. How you think in life means everything.

[Guest Guest]

from google news:

 

Kate Moss dumps Doherty to find her Mr Right

 

London, Feb 11 (ANI): British supermodel Kate Moss has reportedly told her rocker beau Pete Doherty that their relationship is off, and that she just wants to be his 'friend'.

 

Moss broke the news to Doherty earlier this week, just days before she left for Dubai with daughter Lila Grace.

 

"Kate told Pete that there's no chance of marriage or kids," News of the World quoted the source, as saying.

 

The insider also revealed that the madly-in-love Doherty was not too pleased when he heard Moss' final decision.

 

"She laid her cards on the table and Pete flipped. He doesn't want it to end-he's so in love with Kate," the source added.

 

"Pete phoned his mum in tears. He was inconsolable as he cried down the phone-he really thought they would get married soon," said the insider.

 

And, it seems that Doherty's mum was so worried about his state of mind that she even called Moss and begged her not to leave her son, lest he end up dead.

 

"So Jackie called Kate and begged her to stand by Pete in his battle with drugs. She warned Kate that if she left him now, Pete could end up dead.

 

"Her argument was that Kate is the only person who's really trying to help Pete kick hard drugs.

 

"Jackie told Kate that without her and her arrangements for rehab, her contacts and her caring nature, Pete will sink into total chaos."

 

However, though Moss reportedly assured Doherty's mother that she would always stand by the rocker, it would be as a friend and not a lover. (ANI)

 

 

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Also, he missed a gig this week because he had already been up 4 days straight ... not good, I'm a fan actually.

[Godot 149]

The award-winning writer Paul Abbott, who created the TV dramas Clocking Off and Shameless, has spoken of his "constant" thoughts of suicide.

 

"It crosses your mind every day," he said. "You look at a bridge and think: 'Oh, that's high enough.'"

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6351709.stm

 

I f*****g don't, I look at a bridge and think; 'that's a bridge.' Think it works better my way, despite the fact he's famous.

Bugger you've got me worried now MPFC because I look at bridges in the way that Mr Abbott does. I was crossing one yesterday and looked down and that was exactly what I was thinking. I had the dog with me and I was wondering if he would survive (there was about 2 ft of water flowing underneath). Cliff edges, tall buildings all do the same for me - this thought that one step could change everything. I imagine the drop too; it's almost exciting. But I don't imagine the splat. I don't care for the splat much.