maryportfuncity 10,657 Posted August 28, 2019 Man, in Hollywood parlance, this shit just got real - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news Suspending parliament, then. Let's all have a quiet civilized little chat hereabouts over some imaginary tea and biscuits. Personally speaking I politely suggest it is a terrible idea! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,337 Posted August 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: Man, in Hollywood parlance, this shit just got real - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news Suspending parliament, then. Let's all have a quiet civilized little chat hereabouts over some imaginary tea and biscuits. Personally speaking I politely suggest it is a terrible idea! This is massive. Logistically speaking it was going to happen.Boris wont get a no deal or deal through the commons and if he calls a general election without delivering Brexit the Tories are toast. Whichever way you look at it the country will be ungovernable for a generation.Whether we leave or remain about half the country will be incensed and if you go down the compromise soft Brexit route everyone will be incensed. Also you have both sides feeling democracy is dead .That is pretty dangerous and there isn't really a solution to that as all 3 outcomes will leave the country bitterly divided. There will almost certainly be a realignment of British politics in the coming years. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,727 Posted August 28, 2019 'One is 93 for fuck's sake - one doesn't need this shit'. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,608 Posted August 28, 2019 What with Prince Andrew the queen must be annoyed to become part of a de factor culture war in the uk. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted August 28, 2019 Why have I got a feeling this isn't going to end well. Let's be real both sides remain and leave have to take responsibility for causing this mess.The us and them (brexiteers and remainers) attitude ain't going to solve anything.The us and them should be the people and the criminal fuckers on both the left and right in power. But fact is as soon as you ignore democracy it can only lead to violence unless it's a dictatorship and even then it's an uneasy peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,337 Posted August 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, the_engineer said: Why have I got a feeling this isn't going to end well. Let's be real both sides remain and leave have to take responsibility for causing this mess.The us and them (brexiteers and remainers) attitude ain't going to solve anything.The us and them should be the people and the criminal fuckers on both the left and right in power. But fact is as soon as you ignore democracy it can only lead to violence unless it's a dictatorship and even then it's an uneasy peace. It won't end well as it can't end well. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,979 Posted August 28, 2019 Let's see if he gives Trump any ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,657 Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, The Old Crem said: What with Prince Andrew the queen must be annoyed to become part of a de factor culture war in the uk. Saw a decent meme on FB today but can't find it to copy it but basically, the Duchess of Cambridge is talking to the Queen and she says: "Every time I knosh William's knob it makes me feel sick" And the Queen says: "Have you tried Andrews?" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,657 Posted August 28, 2019 So, the one safe prediction I'll make on the current political situation Boris will get some picks in next year's DDP (currently a Boris free zone!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JQW 283 Posted August 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: So, the one safe prediction I'll make on the current political situation Boris will get some picks in next year's DDP (currently a Boris free zone!) Assuming he's still alive by December 31st, of course. He may have suffered the same fate as his paternal great-grandfather by then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal Yes, his paternal great-grandfather was named Ali Kemal. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,979 Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, JQW said: Assuming he's still alive by December 31st, of course. He may have suffered the same fate as his paternal great-grandfather by then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kemal Yes, his paternal great-grandfather was named Ali Kemal. Fascinating, thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redrumours 861 Posted August 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Paul Bearer said: Truth hurts,either way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted September 2, 2019 Bawjaws statement actively welcoming contempt of Parliament votes and a VoNC. No circumstances he will go to EU and ask for a delay. Even in the event it is the law of the land by the sounds of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,337 Posted September 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Bawjaws statement actively welcoming contempt of Parliament votes and a VoNC. No circumstances he will go to EU and ask for a delay. Even in the event it is the law of the land by the sounds of it. Yeah an election is inevitable now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted September 6, 2019 Bawjaws' bull is out of control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redrumours 861 Posted September 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Bawjaws' bull is out of control. More Bullshit!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,657 Posted September 6, 2019 Out of control indeed - the full 21+ minutes of the rambling mess is a complete toe curler: And that's without the fallout today including the local chief constable somewhat miffed that Bojo partially ducked his original promise of talking about the improved police recruitment in the area and used the new recruits as window dressing in an attempt to launch an election campaign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,941 Posted September 6, 2019 On 02/09/2019 at 18:20, Sean said: Yeah an election is inevitable now. It's not. The opposition have refused him it and will refuse him it again on Monday. He could potentially refuse the bill Royal Assent (the Queen takes advice from her ministers as to whether to grant royal assent, so he could advise her not to give it royal assent even if it passed parliament. He'd likely be held in contempt of parliament - but what exactly happens? Nout.) Unless he VoNCs himself (which bizarrely he could still lose (read win) that vote if the opposition remain this united "don't worry Boris we've got faith in you" lol). Even if he won the VoNC (read lost it) he'd possibly attempt to claim the FTPA doesn't have provisions for an opposition party to form the new government (read strictly it doesn't) and the Labour party's rainbow coalition would need to take him to court to prove they could form a government as outlined in the non-legally binding Cabinet Manual - whether they could do that before no deal is anyone's guess. I love to say it but that complete cunt Nick Clegg has a lot of the blame for this current shitshow to carry. Without his stupid legislation we'd have already gone back to the polls. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,337 Posted September 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kinnock said: It's not. The opposition have refused him it and will refuse him it again on Monday. He could potentially refuse the bill Royal Assent (the Queen takes advice from her ministers as to whether to grant royal assent, so he could advise her not to give it royal assent even if it passed parliament. He'd likely be held in contempt of parliament - but what exactly happens? Nout.) Unless he VoNCs himself (which bizarrely he could still lose (read win) that vote if the opposition remain this united "don't worry Boris we've got faith in you" lol). Even if he won the VoNC (read lost it) he'd possibly attempt to claim the FTPA doesn't have provisions for an opposition party to form the new government (read strictly it doesn't) and the Labour party's rainbow coalition would need to take him to court to prove they could form a government as outlined in the non-legally binding Cabinet Manual - whether they could do that before no deal is anyone's guess. I love to say it but that complete cunt Nick Clegg has a lot of the blame for this current shitshow to carry. Without his stupid legislation we'd have already gone back to the polls. I said it was inevitable not imment.There will be a general election this year.It is when that is a matter of debate.This parliament will be dissolved by 2020 no matter what happens. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,337 Posted September 6, 2019 Parliament will be dissolved in November at the latest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,941 Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sean said: Parliament will be dissolved in November at the latest. I'm inclined to agree on that point. But I could also see Boris refusing to give Corbyn the 2/3rds majority for an election if he hadn't got no deal through. And enough of the 36 independents giving tacit backing to Johnson to get over the confidence line, with us limbering into next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,657 Posted September 7, 2019 Really funny take on events (IMHO) in The Guardian this morning (unless you're a die-hard Bojo fan, obviously) - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/boris-johnson-twilight-zone-police-escort-conservatives 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
