Ideas And Possibilities For 2012

[Spade_Cooley 9,022]

In these days of renewed focus on honour killings, might be worth noting that Pakistani actress Veena Malik has her knockers....

[deadsox 891]

http://www.deathlist...ndpost&p=154594

 

So, at the end of last year, after several arguments over time about the DL not picking older folk, I came up with the Old People Deathlist in the 2011 version of this thread.

 

With about a year passed, it -containing the oldest people I could find who might have been noteworthy, minus the famous for existing war vets - has success rate of 13/50.

 

 

1. Miriam Seegar 1907- Jan 2^nd 2011 (Telegraph obit)

2. Ruby Muhammed 1907- 2^nd March 2011

3. Dorothy Young 1907- 20^th March 2011 (Telegraph obit)

4. Wade Mainer 1907-12^th September 2011 (Guardian obit)

5. Alfred Proksch 1908 – 3^rd January 2011

6. Dolores Hope 1909 – 19^th September 2011 (BBC obit)

7. Paulette Dubost 1910 – 21^st September 2011 (Guardian obit)

8. Edmundo Ros 1910 – 21^st October 2011 (Guardian obit)

9. Otakar Vavra 1911 – 15^th September 2011 (Guardian obit)

10. Maurice Goldhaber 1911 – 11^th May 2011*

11. Ernesto Sabato 1911 – 30^th April 2011 (BBC obit)

12. Pierre Dansereau 1911 – 28^th September 2011

13. Otto Von Hapsburg 1912 – 4^th July 2011 (Telegraph obit)

(I just picked the first British obit that showed up on Google, some got several)

 

Note that 4 of those people didn't get British obits up to this point. The most bizarre being Goldhaber, who has been mentioned several times by The Guardian this year, including in two other obits, yet hasn't gotten one of his own. Maybe they don't know he's dead?

 

Despite the decent number of hits, there is no way of predicting which of the 50 will go. Otto VH, a relative youngster on the pool, went whilst Federica Sagor Maas and Johannes Heesters still live on.

 

Take away the four without obits, and you get 9/50 heading into December, which isn't that far off an average Deathlist year. Plus, unlike the Deathlist, you have to second guess the whim of one or two Obit writers - a few above got one obit and one alone to qualify. So whilst picking lots of very very old folk may seem like a key to success, it doesn't seem to bring up much more success than any other path. Crucially, if this team was cut off at 20 for a DDP team, it'd have scored 5 out of 20, with 2 DQ'd for no obit.

 

Well, I found this experiment very interesting. I may well be the only one.

 

List of the Currently Alive (as far as I can tell) from said list:

 

6th July 1900 – Frederica Sagor Maas

5th December 1903 – Johannes Heesters

30th April 1905 – Sergey Nikolsky

18th December 1905 – Irving Kahn

18th January 1907 – Lina Haag (WWII German resistance fighter)

25th February 1907 – Kathryn Wasserman Davis

1st April 1907 – Dr Sree Sree Shivakumara Swamiji

24th August 1907 – Bruno Giacometti (architect)

23rd November 1907 – Run Run Shaw

12th December 1907 – Roy Douglas

15th December 1907 – Oscar Niemeyer

26th May 1908 – Nguyen Ngoc Tho (first PM of South Vietnam)

11th December 1908 – Elliot Carter

11th December 1908 – Manoel de Oliveira (film director)

1st February 1909 – George Beverly Shea

22nd April 1909 – Rita Levi-Montalcini (1986 Nobel Medicine Prize)

19th May 1909 – Nicholas Winton

12th January 1910 – Luise Rainer

25th March 1910 – Magda Olivero (Italian soprano)

29th December 1910 – Ronald Coase (1991 Nobel Economics Prize)

1st January 1911 – Roman Totenberg (violinist)

25th January 1911 – Kurt Maetzig (German director)

28th January 1911 – Johan Van Hulst

9th March 1911 – Ebby Halliday

10th May 1911 – Bel Kaufman

20th June 1911 – Paul Pietsch (German racer)

1st July 1911 – Sergei Sokolov

18th August 1911 – Amelia Boynton Robinson (civil rights activist)

10th October 1911 – Clare Hollingworth (journalist)

3rd February 1912 – Mary Carlisle

1st March 1912 – Boris Chertok (Russian rocket designer)

17th April 1912 – Marta Eggerth

1st October 1912 – Kathleen Ollenrenshaw

1st November 1912 – Gunther Plaut

17th December 1912 – Edward Short

22nd January 1913 – Henry Bauchau

10th February 1913 – Douglas Slocombe

 

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

[Guest Guest]

Umh, for 2012 i suggest the pope and queen Elisabeth II

 

Although the Pope needs to die (or possibly abdicate) next year to make way for a black Pope, and thus trigger the end of the world in 2012, it is highly doubtful that he will actually die.

 

Queen Elizabeth II has a good 5 years left in her at least...unless King George VII gets impatient...

It's not the black pope you have to worry about.if herman cain is elected president of the USA we can all kiss goodbye to our asses...

 

I thought it was his lady employees' asses he was interested in?

 

did Nostradamus say that a black pope will be elected in 2012 thus bringing about the end of the world? because m aybe he got m,ixed up between pope and president.In his day maybe the pope was the m ost powerful guy in the world,so maybe Hermain Cain will press the biug red button on his oval office desk on december 21 next year! (presumably mistaking it for an escort room service)

 

well at least we don't have to worry about that anymore!

[Guest Captain]

I'm surprised that George Michael hasn't been proposed as a very likely 2012 Deathlist candidate. Seems the obvious choice to me, given the recent "pneumonia" scare.

[RIP Wee Jum 1,558]

I'm surprised that George Michael hasn't been proposed as a very likely 2012 Deathlist candidate. Seems the obvious choice to me, given the recent "pneumonia" scare.

 

IMO if he makes it to next year he will be around for a while longer

[Guest Guest]

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

 

 

She's dead.

[JR976evil 885]

I'm surprised that George Michael hasn't been proposed as a very likely 2012 Deathlist candidate. Seems the obvious choice to me, given the recent "pneumonia" scare.

 

Erm, perhaps if it were 1911 rather than 2011. Pneumonia is hardly up there with AIDS and cancer. If he were afflicted with either of said illnesses and then stricken with pneumonia, on the other hand...

[deadsox 891]

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

 

 

She's dead.

 

But she's not on the list is she, bonehead?

[Guest Guest]

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

 

 

She's dead.

 

But she's not on the list is she, bonehead?

 

 

I do not see why name-calling is appropriate. You asked a question. I answered it. This is how you treat guests around these parts?

 

Stay classy, United Kingdom...

[Eesti 151]

My suggestions:

 

Edgar Savisaar age 61, he is is an Estonian politician, one of the founding members of Popular Front of Estonia and the leader of the Centre Party. He has served as the acting Prime Minister of Estonia, Minister of Internal affairs and Minister of Economic Affairs and Communications. Currently he is the mayor of Tallinn, the capital of Estonia. Already had 2 strokes, third one might take him down. Very stressful job, overweight, drinks alcohol etc. A good candidate.

 

Arnold Rüütel age 83, he is the third President of the Republic of Estonia from October 8, 2001 to October 9, 2006. He was the second President since Estonia regained its independence in 1991. Rüütel also served as the last Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR from April 8, 1983 to March 29, 1990, and Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR (from May 8, 1990: Supreme Council of the Republic of Estonia) from March 29, 1990 to October 6, 1992.

 

Karl Vaino age 88, he is a former Estonian SSR politician. 1978–1988 he was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Estonia.

 

Tunne Kelam age 75, he is an Estonian politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Pro Patria Union (Estonia), part of the European People's Party.

 

Rein Taagepera age 78, he is an Estonian political scientist and politician. Taagepera received the American Political Science Association's Hallett (1999) and Longley (2003) Awards as well as the Estonian National Science Prize, Social Science Category (1999) and the 2008 Johan Skytte Prize in Political Science.

 

Enn Tarto age 73, he is an Estonian politician who was a leading dissident during the Soviet occupation of Estonia. He was imprisoned from 1956 to 1960, 1962 to 1967, and again from 1983 to 1988 for anti-Soviet activity.

[RIP Wee Jum 1,558]

My suggestions:

 

Edgar Savisaar age 61, he is is an Estonian politician, one of the founding members of Popular Front of Estonia and the leader of the Centre Party. He has served as the acting Prime Minister of Estonia, Minister of Internal affairs and Minister of Economic Affairs and Communications. Currently he is the mayor of Tallinn, the capital of Estonia. Already had 2 strokes, third one might take him down. Very stressful job, overweight, drinks alcohol etc. A good candidate.

 

Arnold Rüütel age 83, he is the third President of the Republic of Estonia from October 8, 2001 to October 9, 2006. He was the second President since Estonia regained its independence in 1991. Rüütel also served as the last Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR from April 8, 1983 to March 29, 1990, and Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR (from May 8, 1990: Supreme Council of the Republic of Estonia) from March 29, 1990 to October 6, 1992.

 

Karl Vaino age 88, he is a former Estonian SSR politician. 1978–1988 he was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Estonia.

 

Tunne Kelam age 75, he is an Estonian politician and Member of the European Parliament for the Pro Patria Union (Estonia), part of the European People's Party.

 

Rein Taagepera age 78, he is an Estonian political scientist and politician. Taagepera received the American Political Science Association's Hallett (1999) and Longley (2003) Awards as well as the Estonian National Science Prize, Social Science Category (1999) and the 2008 Johan Skytte Prize in Political Science.

 

Enn Tarto age 73, he is an Estonian politician who was a leading dissident during the Soviet occupation of Estonia. He was imprisoned from 1956 to 1960, 1962 to 1967, and again from 1983 to 1988 for anti-Soviet activity.

 

Don't see any of then getting a UK obit

[Magere Hein 1,397]

My suggestions:

 

Edgar Savisaar

Arnold Rüütel

Karl Vaino

Tunne Kelam

Rein Taagepera

Enn Tarto

 

Don't see any of then getting a UK obit

 

Dead former presidents of European republics normally get an obit at the BBC news web site, so mr Rüütel had a fair chance. The others, I'm afraid, don't.

 

regards,

Hein

[Eesti 151]

My suggestions:

 

Edgar Savisaar

Arnold Rüütel

Karl Vaino

Tunne Kelam

Rein Taagepera

Enn Tarto

 

Don't see any of then getting a UK obit

 

Dead former presidents of European republics normally get an obit at the BBC news web site, so mr Rüütel had a fair chance. The others, I'm afraid, don't.

 

regards,

Hein

 

I would bet 5 pounds that UK media would talk about the deaths of mr Savisaar or mr Taagepera. First guy is one of the most importaint people in Estonia and had a major role in the independance of Estonia during the late 80s. He has been a very importaint public figure here for at least 25 years now. Lots of scandals etc.

 

Taagepera's theoretical scholarly work, which mainly deals with electoral systems, is heavily quantitative and modelling in character and strongly informed by the epistemology of his previous field, physics. The quantitative approach is also his general attitude towards political science as a scholarly discipline. He recently systhematized numerous contributions in electoral systems theory into a general, quantitative theoretical framework. I really don't think that UK wouldn't give any attention to a guy who has won Johan Skytte Prize in Political Science.

 

I also have some doubts about Karl Vaino.

 

About Kelam and Tarto I have to agree. Althou' I could select them to my personal DDP.

[Windsor 2,143]

Q: What happens if you leave a blonde on her own at an airport?

 

A: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16046558

[Spade_Cooley 9,022]

Q: What happens if you leave a blonde on her own at an airport?

 

A: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16046558

 

XOXO

[DevonDeathTrip 2,288]

Sheila Dikshit ?

[angryGreatness 96]

Sheila Dikshit ?

 

Gives me a good idea for a Theme Team.

[themaninblack 2,112]

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

 

 

She's dead.

 

But she's not on the list is she, bonehead?

 

 

I do not see why name-calling is appropriate. You asked a question. I answered it. This is how you treat guests around these parts?

 

Stay classy, United Kingdom...

 

Deadsox is from the USA...

[msc 17,762]

The matter with Barbara Kent is that this forumite hadn't heard of her and she hadn't come up in his research.

 

Which isn't unusual. Several folk I've gotten into I wouldn't have heard of if not for these forums: Captain Beefheart comes to mind.

[Lard Bazaar 3,687]

Q: What happens if you leave a blonde on her own at an airport?

 

A: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16046558

 

'The extent of Lauren Scruggs' brain injuries are unknown.'

 

Minimal, I'm sure.

[RIP Wee Jum 1,558]

Sheila Dikshit ?

 

I laughed out loud at her name...................Shiela. ha ha ha

[Eesti 151]

Asif Ali Zardari - President of Pakistan

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16065452

 

His mental health has been a subject of controversy. He has repeatedly claimed he was tortured while in prison. He was diagnosed with dementia, major depressive disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder from 2005 to 2007, which helped influence the verdict of one of his corruption trials. He now claims he is completely healthy, with only high blood pressure and diabetes.

[maryportfuncity 10,016]

What's the matter with Barbara Kent?

 

 

She's dead.

 

But she's not on the list is she, bonehead?

 

 

I do not see why name-calling is appropriate. You asked a question. I answered it. This is how you treat guests around these parts?

 

Stay classy, United Kingdom...

 

Deadsox is from the USA...

 

 

Respect then, that stay classy joke smacks of irony. No wonder he wants to hang out with Brits who like a bit of grim humour...sorry humor!

[wildstorm 295]

In an effort to suggest people who are actually famous (And would warrant a UK Obit), I suggest Harper Lee, author of To Kill A Miockingbird? Turning 86 next April, she currently lives in an assisted-living facility, wheelchair bound, partially blind and deaf, and suffering from memory loss.

[sympathyforthedevil 11]

Joao Havelange, 95, former head of FIFA who recently resigned from the IOC because he was facing charges of corruption.