Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132 Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: Beats me. Somewhere down the line someone must’ve tried to put 2 and 2 together and got 5. IMDb used to be a treasure trove of erroneous info so I point the finger there. IMDb is MUCH better nowadays. They’re pretty strict eg they won’t even accept Toby’s tweets as evidence of an actor being dead. You two are a couple of fucking anoraks....in nice way. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,742 Posted September 22, 2021 Updated masterlist of 90+ character actors of UK TV for death of Morris Perry. If anyone wants to start suggesting 1932 names, feel free. I haven't even looked yet. Spoiler Arnold Yarrow (wiki, b. 1920) EastEnders; Doctor Who Geoffrey Chater (wiki, b. 1921) One Foot in the Grave; Harry's Game; Z-Cars; Bognor Elizabeth Kelly (wiki, b. 1921) EastEnders Nadia Cattouse (wiki, b. 1924) Angels; Johnny Jarvis Raymond Mason (IMDb, b. 1924) Z-Cars; The Two Ronnies; The Bill Donald Pelmear (IMDb, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Yes Minister Leslie Phillips (wiki, b. 1924) Revolver; The House of Windsor William Russell (wiki, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Coronation Street Laurie Webb (IMDb, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Hancock's Half Hour Ysanne Churchman (wiki, b. 1925) Doctor Who; The Railway Children Michael Godley (IMDb, b. 1925) The Bill, Watt on Earth David Graham (wiki, b. 1925) Doctor Who; Thunderbirds Dame Angela Lansbury (wiki, b. 1925) Little Women Pete Murray (wiki, b. 1925) Mum's Boys; Happily Ever After Morris Perry (wiki, b. 1925) Crown Court; The Hound of the Baskervilles; The Sweeney DIED 19/09/2021 Thelma Ruby (IMDb, b. 1925) Doctors; Coronation Street; Nicholas Nickleby Stanley Baxter (wiki, b. 1926) The Stanley Baxter Show; Mr. Majeika James Belchamber (IMDb, b. 1926) The Avengers Elizabeth Benson (IMDb, b. 1926) Fawlty Towers, Z-Cars, The Liver Birds Barbara Clegg (wiki, b. 1926) Emergency Ward 10 Leonard Fenton (wiki, b. 1926) EastEnders Denys Graham (wiki, b. 1926) One the Line, Lovejoy, The Bill Doreen Mantle (wiki, b. 1926) One Foot in the Grave; Coronation Street André Maranne (wiki, b. 1926) Fawlty Towers; Yes Minister DIED 12/04/2021 Gordon Peters (wiki, b. 1926) Hi-de-Hi!; One Foot in the Grave; Dad's Army Oscar Quitak (wiki, b. 1926) Howards' Way; Z-Cars; The Kenny Everett Television Show Gudrun Ure (wiki, b. 1926) Super Gran; Casualty June Brown (wiki, b. 1927) EastEnders Jeannette Charles (wiki, b. 1927) Q6 Robert Crewdson (IMDb, b. 1927) Epitaph For a Spy David de Keyser (wiki, b. 1927) Crown Court; Holby City DIED 20/02/2021 June Flewett aka Jill Freud (wiki, b. 1927) Crown Court Frank Mills (wiki, b. 1927) Coronation Street DIED 11/02/2021 Lee Montague (wiki, b. 1927) Bergerac; Minder Neville Phillips (IMDb, b. 1927) Midsomer Murders, Mansfield Park, Rumpole of the Bailey Joss Ackland (wiki, b. 1928) Z-Cars Denise Bryer (wiki, b. 1928) The Adventures of Twizzle, Terrahawks Peter Cellier (wiki, b. 1928) Yes Minister; Yes, Prime Minister; Keeping Up Appearances Michael Craig (wiki, b. 1928) Doctor Who; Triangle Bernard Cribbins (wiki, b. 1928) The Wombles; Fawlty Towers; Coronation Street Anthony Dawes (IMDb, b. 1928) Z-Cars; Who, Sir? Me, Sir? DIED 21/01/2021 Mark Eden (wiki, b. 1928) Coronation Street DIED 01/01/2021 Sarah Lawson (wiki, b. 1928) Within These Walls Thelma Barlow (wiki, b. 1929) Coronation Street; Dinnerladies Maria Charles (wiki, b. 1929) Coronation Street; Agony Damaris Hayman (wiki, b. 1929) One Foot in the Grave; Doctor Who DIED 03/06/2021 Colin Jeavons (wiki, b. 1929) House of Cards; Epitaph For a Spy John Nettleton (wiki, b. 1929) Yes Minister; Yes, Prime Minister Robin Parkinson (wiki, b. 1929) 'Allo 'Allo! Clifford Rose (wiki, b. 1929) One by One; Doctor Who; Secret Army Patricia Routledge (wiki, b. 1929) Keeping Up Appearances John Woodvine (wiki, b. 1929) Z-Cars Cyril Appleton (wiki, b. 1930) Coronation Street John Cairney (wiki, b. 1930) This Man Craig Alan Curtis (wiki, b. 1930) The Saint; Z-Cars; Doctor Who DIED 18/02/2021 Robert Fyfe (wiki, b. 1930) Last of the Summer Wine (most sources say 1925 but born in 1930 according to his son) Jack Hedley (wiki, b. 1930) Colditz; Who Pays the Ferryman?; One by One Henry Lincoln (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; Triangle; No Hiding Place Una McLean (wiki, b. 1930) Taggart, River City Jeanne Moody (IMDb, b. 1930) Emergency-Ward 10; The Saint Bill Treacher (wiki, b. 1930) EastEnders Gary Watson (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; The Avengers; Doctor Who Henry Woolf (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; Doctor Who; Full House Denyse Alexander (wiki, b. 1931) Father Charlie; The Bill; Silent Witness June Bland (wiki, b. 1931) The Newcomers; Doctor Who Claire Bloom (wiki, b. 1931) Brideshead Revisited Sheila Brennan (IMDb, b. 1931) Open All Hours Jeremy Burnham (wiki, b. 1931) United!; The Saint; The Avengers DIED 31/12/2020 Kenneth Cope (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street; Brookside Eileen Derbyshire (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street James Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Mapp & Lucia; The Bill; Moon Stallion DIED 05/01/2021 Leon Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Lorna Doone; A Man Called Intrepid DIED 19/06/2021 Patricia Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Doctors Gerald Harper (wiki, b. 1931) Hadleigh; Adam Adamant Lives! Veronica Hurst (wiki, b. 1931) Dixon of Dock Green; The Flaxton Boys Brian Jackson (wiki, b. 1931) Z-Cars; Doctors Godfrey James (wiki, b. 1931) The Bill; Emmerdale Farm; Oliver Twist; Armchair Thriller DIED 29/10/2019 (late announcement; unconfirmed) John Kelland (IMDb, b. 1931) The Idiot Harry Landis (wiki, b. 1931) EastEnders James Martin (wiki, b. 1931) Still Game Ellen McIntosh (IMDb, b. 1931) The Common Room; 199 Park Lane; This Man Craig Virginia McKenna (wiki, b. 1931) The Scold's Bridle; The Camomile Lawn Stanley Meadows (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street Arthur Nightingale (IMDb, b. 1931) The Bill, The Crown Trevor Peacock (wiki, b. 1931) The Bill; The Vicar of Dibley DIED 08/03/2021 Vivian Pickles (wiki, b. 1931) Birds of a Feather; Uncle Jack Corinne Skinner-Carter (wiki, b. 1931) EastEnders John Swindells (IMDb, b. 1931) Z-Cars Josephine Tewson (wiki, b. 1931) Last of the Summer Wine; Keeping Up Appearances Cy Town (IMDb, b. 1931) Doctor Who Frank Williams (wiki, b. 1931) Dad's Army; You Rang, M'Lord? 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Bibliogryphon 8,547 Posted September 22, 2021 1932 Names Jean Boht Prunella Scales Edward de Souza Phyllida Law Carmen Munroe Jack Smethurst 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
six feet blunder 161 Posted September 22, 2021 Brian Murphy and William Roache 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 17,648 Posted September 22, 2021 Gabriel Woolf, Doctor Who/The Brothers/Wizards vs Aliens. Like the late Stephen Moore, primarily a voice actor but has appeared on screen. Vilma Hollingbery, The Sweeney/Not Going Out/Inside no 9/Psychoville Avril Elgar, George and Mildred/Tales of the Unexpected/Carrie's War Murray Melvin, Torchwood/Tyrant King/Jonathan Creek Antony Carrick, Yes Minister/Hammer House of Horror/Tales of the Unexpected (he's the dad in Taste, one of the most famous episodes) Roland Curram, Terry and June/Eldorado Sure there's more... 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
six feet blunder 161 Posted September 22, 2021 Elizabeth Larner -Up Pompei Toni Palmer -Only fools& horses Johnny Shannon - Minder 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon Brittan 251 Posted September 22, 2021 Robert Fyfe dead at 90 just confirmed. Don't have time to post link though 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,742 Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Leon Brittan said: Robert Fyfe dead at 90 just confirmed. Don't have time to post link though BBC obit. Sad news. RIP Howard. Obit notes that his wife Diana died a few weeks ago. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilean way 1,685 Posted September 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Leon Brittan said: Robert Fyfe dead at 90 just confirmed. Don't have time to post link though RIP 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,198 Posted September 22, 2021 Saddened to hear about Robert Fyfe. He was magic in his own way in Last of the summer wine. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,628 Posted September 22, 2021 Ocht. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,742 Posted September 22, 2021 Updated list for the death of Robert Fyfe (though no date of death has been given yet) I've added all the 1932 names people have suggested above, along with Sonny Caldinez. Spoiler Arnold Yarrow (wiki, b. 1920) EastEnders; Doctor Who Geoffrey Chater (wiki, b. 1921) One Foot in the Grave; Harry's Game; Z-Cars; Bognor Elizabeth Kelly (wiki, b. 1921) EastEnders Nadia Cattouse (wiki, b. 1924) Angels; Johnny Jarvis Raymond Mason (IMDb, b. 1924) Z-Cars; The Two Ronnies; The Bill Donald Pelmear (IMDb, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Yes Minister Leslie Phillips (wiki, b. 1924) Revolver; The House of Windsor William Russell (wiki, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Coronation Street Laurie Webb (IMDb, b. 1924) Doctor Who; Hancock's Half Hour Ysanne Churchman (wiki, b. 1925) Doctor Who; The Railway Children Michael Godley (IMDb, b. 1925) The Bill, Watt on Earth David Graham (wiki, b. 1925) Doctor Who; Thunderbirds Dame Angela Lansbury (wiki, b. 1925) Little Women Pete Murray (wiki, b. 1925) Mum's Boys; Happily Ever After Morris Perry (wiki, b. 1925) Crown Court; The Hound of the Baskervilles; The Sweeney DIED 19/09/2021 Thelma Ruby (IMDb, b. 1925) Doctors; Coronation Street; Nicholas Nickleby Stanley Baxter (wiki, b. 1926) The Stanley Baxter Show; Mr. Majeika James Belchamber (IMDb, b. 1926) The Avengers Elizabeth Benson (IMDb, b. 1926) Fawlty Towers, Z-Cars, The Liver Birds Barbara Clegg (wiki, b. 1926) Emergency Ward 10 Leonard Fenton (wiki, b. 1926) EastEnders Denys Graham (wiki, b. 1926) One the Line, Lovejoy, The Bill Doreen Mantle (wiki, b. 1926) One Foot in the Grave; Coronation Street André Maranne (wiki, b. 1926) Fawlty Towers; Yes Minister DIED 12/04/2021 Gordon Peters (wiki, b. 1926) Hi-de-Hi!; One Foot in the Grave; Dad's Army Oscar Quitak (wiki, b. 1926) Howards' Way; Z-Cars; The Kenny Everett Television Show Gudrun Ure (wiki, b. 1926) Super Gran; Casualty June Brown (wiki, b. 1927) EastEnders Jeannette Charles (wiki, b. 1927) Q6 Robert Crewdson (IMDb, b. 1927) Epitaph For a Spy David de Keyser (wiki, b. 1927) Crown Court; Holby City DIED 20/02/2021 June Flewett aka Jill Freud (wiki, b. 1927) Crown Court Frank Mills (wiki, b. 1927) Coronation Street DIED 11/02/2021 Lee Montague (wiki, b. 1927) Bergerac; Minder Neville Phillips (IMDb, b. 1927) Midsomer Murders, Mansfield Park, Rumpole of the Bailey Joss Ackland (wiki, b. 1928) Z-Cars Denise Bryer (wiki, b. 1928) The Adventures of Twizzle, Terrahawks Peter Cellier (wiki, b. 1928) Yes Minister; Yes, Prime Minister; Keeping Up Appearances Michael Craig (wiki, b. 1928) Doctor Who; Triangle Bernard Cribbins (wiki, b. 1928) The Wombles; Fawlty Towers; Coronation Street Anthony Dawes (IMDb, b. 1928) Z-Cars; Who, Sir? Me, Sir? DIED 21/01/2021 Mark Eden (wiki, b. 1928) Coronation Street DIED 01/01/2021 Sarah Lawson (wiki, b. 1928) Within These Walls Thelma Barlow (wiki, b. 1929) Coronation Street; Dinnerladies Maria Charles (wiki, b. 1929) Coronation Street; Agony Damaris Hayman (wiki, b. 1929) One Foot in the Grave; Doctor Who DIED 03/06/2021 Colin Jeavons (wiki, b. 1929) House of Cards; Epitaph For a Spy John Nettleton (wiki, b. 1929) Yes Minister; Yes, Prime Minister Robin Parkinson (wiki, b. 1929) 'Allo 'Allo! Clifford Rose (wiki, b. 1929) One by One; Doctor Who; Secret Army Patricia Routledge (wiki, b. 1929) Keeping Up Appearances John Woodvine (wiki, b. 1929) Z-Cars Cyril Appleton (wiki, b. 1930) Coronation Street John Cairney (wiki, b. 1930) This Man Craig Alan Curtis (wiki, b. 1930) The Saint; Z-Cars; Doctor Who DIED 18/02/2021 Robert Fyfe (wiki, b. 1930) Last of the Summer Wine DIED ??/09/2021 Jack Hedley (wiki, b. 1930) Colditz; Who Pays the Ferryman?; One by One Henry Lincoln (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; Triangle; No Hiding Place Una McLean (wiki, b. 1930) Taggart, River City Jeanne Moody (IMDb, b. 1930) Emergency-Ward 10; The Saint Bill Treacher (wiki, b. 1930) EastEnders Gary Watson (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; The Avengers; Doctor Who Henry Woolf (wiki, b. 1930) Z-Cars; Doctor Who; Full House Denyse Alexander (wiki, b. 1931) Father Charlie; The Bill; Silent Witness June Bland (wiki, b. 1931) The Newcomers; Doctor Who Claire Bloom (wiki, b. 1931) Brideshead Revisited Sheila Brennan (IMDb, b. 1931) Open All Hours Jeremy Burnham (wiki, b. 1931) United!; The Saint; The Avengers DIED 31/12/2020 Kenneth Cope (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street; Brookside Eileen Derbyshire (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street James Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Mapp & Lucia; The Bill; Moon Stallion DIED 05/01/2021 Leon Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Lorna Doone; A Man Called Intrepid DIED 19/06/2021 Patricia Greene (wiki, b. 1931) Doctors Gerald Harper (wiki, b. 1931) Hadleigh; Adam Adamant Lives! Veronica Hurst (wiki, b. 1931) Dixon of Dock Green; The Flaxton Boys Brian Jackson (wiki, b. 1931) Z-Cars; Doctors Godfrey James (wiki, b. 1931) The Bill; Emmerdale Farm; Oliver Twist; Armchair Thriller DIED 29/10/2019 (late announcement; unconfirmed) John Kelland (IMDb, b. 1931) The Idiot Harry Landis (wiki, b. 1931) EastEnders James Martin (wiki, b. 1931) Still Game Ellen McIntosh (IMDb, b. 1931) The Common Room; 199 Park Lane; This Man Craig Virginia McKenna (wiki, b. 1931) The Scold's Bridle; The Camomile Lawn Stanley Meadows (wiki, b. 1931) Coronation Street Arthur Nightingale (IMDb, b. 1931) The Bill, The Crown Trevor Peacock (wiki, b. 1931) The Bill; The Vicar of Dibley DIED 08/03/2021 Vivian Pickles (wiki, b. 1931) Birds of a Feather; Uncle Jack Corinne Skinner-Carter (wiki, b. 1931) EastEnders John Swindells (IMDb, b. 1931) Z-Cars Josephine Tewson (wiki, b. 1931) Last of the Summer Wine; Keeping Up Appearances Cy Town (IMDb, b. 1931) Doctor Who Frank Williams (wiki, b. 1931) Dad's Army; You Rang, M'Lord? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ray Austin (wiki, b. 1932) The Avengers, The Saint, Ghost Squad Jean Boht (wiki, b. 1932) Bread, Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em, Doctors Norman Bowler (wiki, b. 1932) Softly, Softly, Jesus of Nazareth, Emmerdale Sonny Caldinez (wiki, b. 1932) Doctor Who, Sexton Blake and the Demon God Antony Carrick (IMDb, b. 1932) Emmerdale, The Brack Report, Doctor Who Roland Curram (wiki, b. 1932) Eldorado, Terry and June Edward de Souza (wiki, b. 1932) The Marriage Lines, After Henry, Coronation Street Vilma Hollingbery (wiki, b. 1932) Grass, The Bill, Doctors Elizabeth Larner (wiki, b. 1932) Up Pompeii!, Triangle, The Two Ronnies Phyllida Law (wiki, b. 1932) That's Love!, Ffizz, Kingdom Murray Melvin (wiki, b. 1932) The Tyrant King, The Flaxton Boys, Torchwood Carmen Munroe (wiki, b. 1932) Doctor Who, Desmond's, General Hospital Brian Murphy (wiki, b. 1932) Man About the House, George and Mildred, Last of the Summer Wine Toni Palmer (IMDb, b. 1932) The Rag Trade, The Bill, Within These Walls William Roache (wiki, b. 1932) Coronation Street Prunella Scales (wiki, b. 1932) Fawlty Towers, Coronation Street, After Henry Johnny Shannon (wiki, b. 1932) The Kenny Everett Television Show, Minder, EastEnders Jack Smethurst (wiki, b. 1932) Z-Cars, Coronation Street, Casualty Gabriel Woolf (wiki, b. 1932) Doctor Who, Market in Honey Lane 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 17,648 Posted September 22, 2021 Shame. Good comedy actor. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handrejka 1,835 Posted September 22, 2021 1932 Names Norman Bowler - Emmerdale, Robin of Sherwood, loads of ITC stuff in the 60s. The only other ones I can think of that haven't been mentioned are more famous for other things but have made some tv apearences, Nina Van Pallandt and Petula Clark. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handrejka 1,835 Posted September 22, 2021 I knew I was forgetting someone, Ray Austin, mostly thought of as a stuntman but he did of bit of everything including acting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkF 58 Posted September 23, 2021 18 hours ago, msc said: Gabriel Woolf, Doctor Who/The Brothers/Wizards vs Aliens. Like the late Stephen Moore, primarily a voice actor but has appeared on screen. Vilma Hollingbery, The Sweeney/Not Going Out/Inside no 9/Psychoville Avril Elgar, George and Mildred/Tales of the Unexpected/Carrie's War Murray Melvin, Torchwood/Tyrant King/Jonathan Creek Antony Carrick, Yes Minister/Hammer House of Horror/Tales of the Unexpected (he's the dad in Taste, one of the most famous episodes) Roland Curram, Terry and June/Eldorado Sure there's more... According to the personal life paragraph on her wiki page Avril Elgar passed away on 17th of September 2021. I can't find any official source for that though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 17,648 Posted September 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, MarkF said: According to the personal life paragraph on her wiki page Avril Elgar passed away on 17th of September 2021. I can't find any official source for that though. The source by looks of it: You'd have expected that to travel beyond that tweet in 4 days though, not even a single reply! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,628 Posted September 23, 2021 Sad news if true, she seemed ubiquitous back in the day. Her turn in the King Of Clubs Poirot story exemplifies her characteristic style. RIP. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 8,547 Posted September 27, 2021 Just been watching the BBC 1978 adaptation of Wuthering Heights and noted that Pat Heywood (Nellie) is still with us and has just turned 90. She should obit because she got a BAFTA supporting actor nomination for her role in Zefferelli's Romeo & Juliet 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,628 Posted September 29, 2021 Bit part actor (and drag queen?) Vin Welch, father of Denise Welch, dies: https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-denise-welch-heartbroken-dad-25095588 Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, Corrie, Emmerdale, Heartbeat - make up your own jokes. Oft in the Loose Women audience. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 17,648 Posted September 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Bit part actor (and drag queen?) Vin Welch, father of Denise Welch, dies: https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-denise-welch-heartbroken-dad-25095588 Auf Wiedersehen, Pet, Corrie, Emmerdale, Heartbeat - make up your own jokes. Oft in the Loose Women audience. Played Billy in an episode of The Bill (imaginative character naming there) called Thug on the Tyne. No doubt he was a wrong un and when caught by the regular polis main character, he was heard to say "the thug on the Tyne is all mine, all mine..." 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,074 Posted September 29, 2021 On 27/09/2021 at 11:49, Bibliogryphon said: Just been watching the BBC 1978 adaptation of Wuthering Heights and noted that Pat Heywood (Nellie) is still with us and has just turned 90. She should obit because she got a BAFTA supporting actor nomination for her role in Zefferelli's Romeo & Juliet She was also brilliant in what I consider to be the best ever Inspector Morse episode, Second Time Around, when she was the mother of Christopher Eccleston's character. Also in that was Kenneth Colley who is 83 now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,628 Posted September 29, 2021 On 23/09/2021 at 11:17, MarkF said: According to the personal life paragraph on her wiki page Avril Elgar passed away on 17th of September 2021. I can't find any official source for that though. Avril Elgar gets the full Guardian Obituary treatment - hurrah! https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/sep/29/avril-elgar-obituary 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,742 Posted October 2, 2021 Tomorrow's Daily Star. 90-year-old Frank Williams still well enough to declare war on the BBC for censoring episodes of Dad's Army. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheKeysOfMarinus 365 Posted October 3, 2021 Tabloids love coercing elderly people into fighting their culture war for them. Dad’s Army has been heavily repeated by the BBC in great slots for 40+ years, more than pretty much any other sitcom. All of the Dad’s Army episodes are available uncut on DVD, on Britbox and often repeated. The BBC just put a warning for a racial slur before showing the film recently. Sounds pretty fair to me. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites