Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

Technically the speaker is non-partisan ie he can't favour one UK party over another, in ensuring proper and full debate of issues. Whilst Bercow is pushing the line, Brexit wasn't a party political issue and Trump is American.

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Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

It was a woman's March. I went basically to say I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Trump sees women as property, I went just to remind the good folk of the UK that adopting some of his policies and attitudes might not be a vote winner.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

It was a woman's March. I went basically to say I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Trump sees women as property, I went just to remind the good folk of the UK that adopting some of his policies and attitudes might not be a vote winner.

 

Er, yeah.

An Ian Dowie devotee, are we?

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Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

It was a woman's March. I went basically to say I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Trump sees women as property, I went just to remind the good folk of the UK that adopting some of his policies and attitudes might not be a vote winner.

Er, yeah.

An Ian Dowie devotee, are we?

No. I worship at the alter of Big Sam, those were the days.

 

I am obviously missing some context here.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

It was a woman's March. I went basically to say I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Trump sees women as property, I went just to remind the good folk of the UK that adopting some of his policies and attitudes might not be a vote winner.

Er, yeah.

An Ian Dowie devotee, are we?

No. I worship at the alter of Big Sam, those were the days.

 

I am obviously missing some context here.

 

You are.

[YoungWillz 21,068]

Soo, Stoke.

 

Nuttall's been found out for misleading info on his website, the Labour guy Snell seems to have been as much a misogynist as Trump in days gone by and the Lib Dem's too busy to campaign because he's a heart surgeon (so too busy to represent his constituents I presume, but does fancy an extra 70 grand as an MP on top of his other salary).

 

Don't know anything about the Tory...but he's a Tory standing in Stoke, so he's fucked.

 

That's your major choices, people of Stoke. Having been taken for dickheads by Tristram Hunt as your MP, you're welcome to this bunch.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

Bad night for Labour but UKIP's incompetence has given Corbyn some breathing space.

[YoungWillz 21,068]

4 hours ago, rockhopperpenguin said:

Bad night for Labour but UKIP's incompetence has given Corbyn some breathing space.

Nothing reinforces the political deficit more than today.

May's trip up north to gloat over the win in Copeland and Corbyn's trip up north to gloat over the win in Stoke. All discussion has been yet again about the campaign, the level of victory, blah blah blah. Remember the days when they thanked the people, reminding them of the vote of confidence in the policies of the parties, the possibility of delivering for the people of that constituency? All gone.

Your votes are merely fodder for career politicians counting numbers and salaries at Westminster.

The media are no better. I recall the days when they focused on the constituency, when you learned something about the area of the country, the demographics, etc etc. Now it's all about the parties and personalities.

Kudos I have to say goes to Andrew Neil, last night. Pointing out that Stephen Hancock couldn't even remember the name of his own party's candidate, let alone the name of the hospital in the Stoke constituency was a joy to behold. A journalist who had done his homework on the local issues, really other journalists should aspire to his level of detail.

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I like Andrew Neil. He gives the impression of not getting on well with idiots and politicians very well!

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

24 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Nothing reinforces the political deficit more than today.

May's trip up north to gloat over the win in Copeland and Corbyn's trip up north to gloat over the win in Stoke. All discussion has been yet again about the campaign, the level of victory, blah blah blah. Remember the days when they thanked the people, reminding them of the vote of confidence in the policies of the parties, the possibility of delivering for the people of that constituency? All gone.

Your votes are merely fodder for career politicians counting numbers and salaries at Westminster.

The media are no better. I recall the days when they focused on the constituency, when you learned something about the area of the country, the demographics, etc etc. Now it's all about the parties and personalities.

Kudos I have to say goes to Andrew Neil, last night. Pointing out that Stephen Hancock couldn't even remember the name of his own party's candidate, let alone the name of the hospital in the Stoke constituency was a joy to behold. A journalist who had done his homework on the local issues, really other journalists should aspire to his level of detail.

I still feel we get the politicians we deserve.

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1 hour ago, rockhopperpenguin said:

I still feel we get the politicians we deserve.

Have a heart Rockhopper - even I don't deserve Michael Fallon.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

3 minutes ago, Youwanticewiththat said:

Have a heart Rockhopper - even I don't deserve Michael Fallon.

I was being general rather than specific.

[YoungWillz 21,068]

Father, forgive me, it's been 48 hours since my last post in this thread.

Jeremy Corbyn's speech to the Scottish Labour Party Conference has just added another nomination for La La Land.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,219]

20 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Father, forgive me, it's been 48 hours since my last post in this thread.

Jeremy Corbyn's speech to the Scottish Labour Party Conference has just added another nomination for La La Land.

All good then.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

2 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

Father, forgive me, it's been 48 hours since my last post in this thread.

Jeremy Corbyn's speech to the Scottish Labour Party Conference has just added another nomination for La La Land.

Where to begin. We have ideas who's time has come - it's just voters haven't recognised them yet. Takes his share of responsibility for the by-election loss - what a leader! He should be asked if thinks he will still be Leader of the Opposition after the next election, that would be amusing.

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The French wouldn't be bothered if he was creating fake jobs for his mistress but his wife...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39146848

[Thatcher 2,418]

For anyone interested the Tories have just gained a seat from Labour in Salford at a council by-election. Obviously Jeremy Corbyn is still doing a wonderful job and anything that is going wrong has nothing to do with his leadership and it's all a conspiracy theory pushed by the media. 

[YoungWillz 21,068]

Liz Truss on Question Time.

From being indignant about cheese, it's easy to forget she's now Lord Chancellor. Look at her. Listen to her. Jesus Christ, England, if that's the best you can offer your people, I despair.

It's like watching a trainee  who's just been appointed CEO....airhead.

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9 hours ago, Thatcher said:

For anyone interested the Tories have just gained a seat from Labour in Salford at a council by-election. Obviously Jeremy Corbyn is still doing a wonderful job and anything that is going wrong has nothing to do with his leadership and it's all a conspiracy theory pushed by the media. 

The ward is 41% Jewish and the Tory candidate was a Rabbi, as much as I'd like to, it's quite hard to blame that on Corbyn.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

What, driving people to Judaism?

[maryportfuncity 10,658]

So Theresa May saying retaining Scotland in the UK is a "personal project"

 

That'll drive them to the SNP, right?

[YoungWillz 21,068]

24 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said:

So Theresa May saying retaining Scotland in the UK is a "personal project"

 

That'll drive them to the SNP, right?

Don't think Scotland needs to be driven anywhere, they've already reached the destination. The vast majority of Scottish Parliament seats held by the Tories and Labour are list seats based on PR, overwhelmingly Scotland is already voting SNP.

 

Interesting that she chooses to attack Scottish public services allegedly declining under the SNP. While she cuts the Scottish budget, we still have free prescriptions, free personal care, less waiting times at A & E, etc etc. Against the backdrop in rUK of declining police resources, more people dying on trollies in English hospitals, personal care restricted to flying visits, junior doctors strikes....I know where I'm glad to be living in the UK.

 

What's she wearing round her neck today anyway? Is it the lavvy chain, the anal beads, or summat equally disturbing? I'm sure it is of some solace to the disabled who are about to lose their entitlements that while she's not busy being PM, she's sitting as as a Privy Councillor in the House of Lords or off to her next photo shoot with her friends from Vogue or selecting another thousand pounds worth of trousers.

[Grim Up North 3,727]

YW - I think the danger is to presume that outside UK the good things Scotland has will remain and the bad things will all get better.

 

I think the SNP, like many Nationalistic parties, does so well because it has a clear message and political ideal that is like Marmite. People either like it or loathe it. That does well in a multi party environment where 40-50% of the votes is always going to win.

 

I live in North of England - I would be very sad if Scotland became independent but I don't think Scotland would be better off and I'm not certain that England would suffer - I am not sure which of these most Scots voting for independence desire the most! 

[YoungWillz 21,068]

Hey GUN, I'm not sure I mentioned independence in my rant.

 

If you need an example of nationalism and independence, all you need do is look at Brexit. I could equally quote you as follows:

"the danger is to presume that outside the EU the good things UK has will remain and the bad things will all get better"

Well that is exactly what England and Wales voted for.

 

I think May's attack is wrong, that's all. We already have it better under the SNP, that's partially why people don't vote Tory or Labour up here any more.

[Grim Up North 3,727]

Oh neither you did

 

Totally agree with you on Brexit too - but with Brexit I am pretty certain that in leaving we will totally shag the EU as the sums for the remaining successful countries for supporting the poor countries is just going to mean the whole thing folds.