The EU Referendum Hokey Cokey

[Deathray 2,933]

 

 

 

Northern Ireland may hold a vote on the re-unification of Ireland or N. Ireland independence from the United Kingdom by 2020[/

[*]Londoners are calling for an independent London city-state, that would rejoin the European Union and function like Singapore (imho go for it).

Northern Ireland joining Ireland is an excellent thing why are you speaking about it negatively.

Not sure you'll be saying the went the Ulster loyalists suddenly find their arsenals.

they are on the wrong side of History. I am on the right side and with that Ireland must unite.

 

 

I take it Ireland hasn't really moved on from the troubles in terms of mindset, even if you did put the weapons down at last.

[Bibliogryphon 8,615]

 

 

 

Northern Ireland may hold a vote on the re-unification of Ireland or N. Ireland independence from the United Kingdom by 2020[/

[*]Londoners are calling for an independent London city-state, that would rejoin the European Union and function like Singapore (imho go for it).

Northern Ireland joining Ireland is an excellent thing why are you speaking about it negatively.

Not sure you'll be saying the went the Ulster loyalists suddenly find their arsenals.

they are on the wrong side of History. I am on the right side and with that Ireland must unite.

 

 

I think that a United Ireland would be preferable to going back having Check points along the border but there is a significant part of the population of Northern Ireland who feel that Uniting with the Republic might place them in danger or at least lose their cultural heritage as part of Britain.

 

Does anyone else think that Canadian's and Australian's might be considering now would be a good time to dust off their republican arguments?

[charon 4,938]

 

 

Northern Ireland may hold a vote on the re-unification of Ireland or N. Ireland independence from the United Kingdom by 2020[/

[*]Londoners are calling for an independent London city-state, that would rejoin the European Union and function like Singapore (imho go for it).

Northern Ireland joining Ireland is an excellent thing why are you speaking about it negatively.

He didn't he stated it as a possibility. The negative is that the Union is destroyed, it might be a great opportunity for Ireland. Tell you what get a Ouija board and ask the Ghost of Ian Paisley.

 

Well his boy says to grab a Free State passport , so Ulster says 'surrender'.

 

 

 

 

 

Heard one whining maggot of a student on about the old folk voting through self interest and ruining the younger generation.

 

Self interest is why the brain dead wee prick voted 'remain'.

 

 

 

 

 

I've had a lot of stick on the footie forum I frequent for being pro brexit, and all the cuntos think they are the reincarnation of Bobby Sands or Che, so it was with great pleasure i listened to Tommy Sheridan saying he voted 'leave' because the eu is against his Socialist principles.

 

Sweet does not cover it.

[Bibliogryphon 8,615]

I think Prince Phillip should do his civic duty and die this weekend just to give the media something else to write about.

[charon 4,938]

It is indeed the perfect weekend to bury bad news.

 

My ££, eh, $$$ , eh, €€€€ us on Take That welcomes back Rabbi Williams. (They couldn't afford the real one).

 

 

Wait. Them taking the tribute act wouldn't be bad news.. give me a bit to reflect....

[Deathray 2,933]

I think Prince Phillip should do his civic duty and die this weekend just to give the media something else to write about.

 

Just one very famous person needs to die - any of them, sick of the Brexit news - all 10 of the most read on BBC News were Brexit.

[msc 17,712]

I'm more astonished people are mentioning the concept of a United Ireland seriously, as in a thing which might happen. It's been one of those couple of days.

 

Scotland's leaving, we're taking the EU subsidies with us, and nabbing as many of the big companies who want to keep their EU tax status as possible. Enriched energy exporting nation within 10 years.

[Deathray 2,933]

I'm more astonished people are mentioning the concept of a United Ireland seriously, as in a thing which might happen. It's been one of those couple of days.

 

Scotland's leaving, we're taking the EU subsidies with us, and nabbing as many of the big companies who want to keep their EU tax status as possible. Enriched energy exporting nation within 10 years.

 

To be honest I'd love to see federalism creep into Britain, it might start to rectify the democratic deficit that led to Thursdays horrendous decision. The signs seem to be pointing the opposite way though. It's always going to be a domino effect in my opinion though in the order of Scotland. Northern Ireland and then Wales seeing those two countries succeed and abandoning England.

[charon 4,938]

Stop reading the beeb site deathers.. .

 

 

You get what they give.

 

 

Try RT or something less biased.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

 

I'm more astonished people are mentioning the concept of a United Ireland seriously, as in a thing which might happen. It's been one of those couple of days.

 

Scotland's leaving, we're taking the EU subsidies with us, and nabbing as many of the big companies who want to keep their EU tax status as possible. Enriched energy exporting nation within 10 years.

 

To be honest I'd love to see federalism creep into Britain, it might start to rectify the democratic deficit that led to Thursdays horrendous decision. The signs seem to be pointing the opposite way though. It's always going to be a domino effect in my opinion though in the order of Scotland. Northern Ireland and then Wales seeing those two countries succeed and abandoning England.

 

Im getting massively fucked off with all this shit.

It was a DEMOCRATIC VOTE!!

There wouldn't be half the wank going on if remain had won by the same margin, some of them are acting worse than jack booted fascists, democracy is only a demand if it works for them.

Im also mightily irked when Im getting battered around the effing head with the 'yoof of the country' argument.

What the f**k is it? Playschool??

There are multiple millions of older people in this country, people like me who may well still be around in 20 or thirty years time, just like the know all kids out there who seem to think the Earth has to be handed down to them like somesort of effing inheritance.

Nobody owns the Planet, each generation exists on it within the time frame they are alive in, we take things as we find them.

effing hell, no generation has been bequeathed a utopia, we have all had to face issues, we always will so stop effing whinging that us old cunts are throwing away your futures, your futures will be what YOU make them when you get there, don't blame us for everything.

The masses who voted out don't live in places like London or Newcastle, we live in counties that have massively struggled with issues ranging from the pressure on schools and public services through migration to low pay, shit jobs and not being able to get social housing or even private rentals ( which are rented out to migrants)

Through all of this they have been labelled xenophobic, racists, small minded and everything else in between by people that enjoy the benefits of City life where they don't have to wait every hour for a effing bus and the local deli does tofu and caviar.

This country has been massively damaged and its been damaged by a considerable amount of remain supporters who have blamed out voters for daring to ruin their social and environmental utopian dream.

The bitterness is effing sickening tbh.

I actually thought we would remain by a landslide, a shit happens for me moment but there you go. I was as shocked as anybody that the out vote won, im pleased about it but there is work to do.

We are out of the EU but Europeans, we will still buy their goods, they will still buy ours and we can still work together on a whole plethora of issues that will benefit the masses.

Basically, what the common market was envisaged to become.

Can we not just grow a collective pair and get on with things?

Ta.

PS: Somebody sort this bastard filter out and all the other issues or find somebody that can pronto!!

[Deathray 2,933]

31.2% estimated turnout among young people and my facebook feeds full of them blaming the elderly.

 

[themaninblack 2,112]

Too busy poncing about on Facebook than bother getting into a polling booth probably...

[Deathray 2,933]

Too busy poncing about on Facebook than bother getting into a polling booth probably...

 

Got people openly admitting on my facebook feed they didn't vote because they didn't know enough about the pros and cons and now moaning about the result. You're job as a voter is to find out enough about the pros and cons - were fortunate enough to be able to find out the pros and cons in ten minutes rather than rooting through library books and manifestos/pamphlets. Apparently that's too much effort. Generation Spoonfeed.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

 

Too busy poncing about on Facebook than bother getting into a polling booth probably...

 

Got people openly admitting on my facebook feed they didn't vote because they didn't know enough about the pros and cons and now moaning about the result. You're job as a voter is to find out enough about the pros and cons - were fortunate enough to be able to find out the pros and cons in ten minutes rather than rooting through library books and manifestos/pamphlets. Apparently that's too much effort. Generation Spoonfeed.

 

You have redeemed yourself young man.

[RoverAndOut 3,398]

 

 

I'm more astonished people are mentioning the concept of a United Ireland seriously, as in a thing which might happen. It's been one of those couple of days.

 

Scotland's leaving, we're taking the EU subsidies with us, and nabbing as many of the big companies who want to keep their EU tax status as possible. Enriched energy exporting nation within 10 years.

 

To be honest I'd love to see federalism creep into Britain, it might start to rectify the democratic deficit that led to Thursdays horrendous decision. The signs seem to be pointing the opposite way though. It's always going to be a domino effect in my opinion though in the order of Scotland. Northern Ireland and then Wales seeing those two countries succeed and abandoning England.

 

Im getting massively fucked off with all this shit.

It was a DEMOCRATIC VOTE!!

There wouldn't be half the wank going on if remain had won by the same margin, some of them are acting worse than jack booted fascists, democracy is only a demand if it works for them.

Im also mightily irked when Im getting battered around the effing head with the 'yoof of the country' argument.

What the f**k is it? Playschool??

There are multiple millions of older people in this country, people like me who may well still be around in 20 or thirty years time, just like the know all kids out there who seem to think the Earth has to be handed down to them like somesort of effing inheritance.

Nobody owns the Planet, each generation exists on it within the time frame they are alive in, we take things as we find them.

effing hell, no generation has been bequeathed a utopia, we have all had to face issues, we always will so stop effing whinging that us old cunts are throwing away your futures, your futures will be what YOU make them when you get there, don't blame us for everything.

The masses who voted out don't live in places like London or Newcastle, we live in counties that have massively struggled with issues ranging from the pressure on schools and public services through migration to low pay, shit jobs and not being able to get social housing or even private rentals ( which are rented out to migrants)

Through all of this they have been labelled xenophobic, racists, small minded and everything else in between by people that enjoy the benefits of City life where they don't have to wait every hour for a effing bus and the local deli does tofu and caviar.

This country has been massively damaged and its been damaged by a considerable amount of remain supporters who have blamed out voters for daring to ruin their social and environmental utopian dream.

The bitterness is effing sickening tbh.

I actually thought we would remain by a landslide, a shit happens for me moment but there you go. I was as shocked as anybody that the out vote won, im pleased about it but there is work to do.

We are out of the EU but Europeans, we will still buy their goods, they will still buy ours and we can still work together on a whole plethora of issues that will benefit the masses.

Basically, what the common market was envisaged to become.

Can we not just grow a collective pair and get on with things?

Ta.

PS: Somebody sort this bastard filter out and all the other issues or find somebody that can pronto!!

 

 

Thinking it's a horrendous decision doesn't mean not respecting the decision. You've made your bed, we'll lie in it, but we don't have to be happy about it. Nigel Farage was making excuses for losing at 2am and already preparing to start the bid for Referendum 2.0 in earnest. He even said last May that a 52-48 Remain win would not settle the argument. If you're seriously telling me that if the result was 52-48 the other way everyone would just accept it then I think you're immensely optimistic. The result was 52-48, the country is quite obviously split down the middle. This isn't the whining of a disgruntled minority, this is half the country going 'What?!'

 

I've put up with ever-louder Euroscepticism all my adult life, and it's pissed me off. Now the roles are reversed: you got your way and we Remainers are now in the not-so-quiet minority and apparently it's going to piss you off just as much.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

 

 

 

I'm more astonished people are mentioning the concept of a United Ireland seriously, as in a thing which might happen. It's been one of those couple of days.

 

Scotland's leaving, we're taking the EU subsidies with us, and nabbing as many of the big companies who want to keep their EU tax status as possible. Enriched energy exporting nation within 10 years.

 

To be honest I'd love to see federalism creep into Britain, it might start to rectify the democratic deficit that led to Thursdays horrendous decision. The signs seem to be pointing the opposite way though. It's always going to be a domino effect in my opinion though in the order of Scotland. Northern Ireland and then Wales seeing those two countries succeed and abandoning England.

 

Im getting massively fucked off with all this shit.

It was a DEMOCRATIC VOTE!!

There wouldn't be half the wank going on if remain had won by the same margin, some of them are acting worse than jack booted fascists, democracy is only a demand if it works for them.

Im also mightily irked when Im getting battered around the effing head with the 'yoof of the country' argument.

What the f**k is it? Playschool??

There are multiple millions of older people in this country, people like me who may well still be around in 20 or thirty years time, just like the know all kids out there who seem to think the Earth has to be handed down to them like somesort of effing inheritance.

Nobody owns the Planet, each generation exists on it within the time frame they are alive in, we take things as we find them.

effing hell, no generation has been bequeathed a utopia, we have all had to face issues, we always will so stop effing whinging that us old cunts are throwing away your futures, your futures will be what YOU make them when you get there, don't blame us for everything.

The masses who voted out don't live in places like London or Newcastle, we live in counties that have massively struggled with issues ranging from the pressure on schools and public services through migration to low pay, shit jobs and not being able to get social housing or even private rentals ( which are rented out to migrants)

Through all of this they have been labelled xenophobic, racists, small minded and everything else in between by people that enjoy the benefits of City life where they don't have to wait every hour for a effing bus and the local deli does tofu and caviar.

This country has been massively damaged and its been damaged by a considerable amount of remain supporters who have blamed out voters for daring to ruin their social and environmental utopian dream.

The bitterness is effing sickening tbh.

I actually thought we would remain by a landslide, a shit happens for me moment but there you go. I was as shocked as anybody that the out vote won, im pleased about it but there is work to do.

We are out of the EU but Europeans, we will still buy their goods, they will still buy ours and we can still work together on a whole plethora of issues that will benefit the masses.

Basically, what the common market was envisaged to become.

Can we not just grow a collective pair and get on with things?

Ta.

PS: Somebody sort this bastard filter out and all the other issues or find somebody that can pronto!!

 

 

Thinking it's a horrendous decision doesn't mean not respecting the decision. You've made your bed, we'll lie in it, but we don't have to be happy about it. Nigel Farage was making excuses for losing at 2am and already preparing to start the bid for Referendum 2.0 in earnest. He even said last May that a 52-48 Remain win would not settle the argument. If you're seriously telling me that if the result was 52-48 the other way everyone would just accept it then I think you're immensely optimistic. The result was 52-48, the country is quite obviously split down the middle. This isn't the whining of a disgruntled minority, this is half the country going 'What?!'

 

I've put up with ever-louder Euroscepticism all my adult life, and it's pissed me off. Now the roles are reversed: you got your way and we Remainers are now in the not-so-quiet minority and apparently it's going to piss you off just as much.

 

Sorry but social media is awash with people not respecting the decision, its fucking lame.

The petition to annul the result is also fucking ridiculous. All those intelligent remainers and not one of them decided to ask all the pertinent questions about legalities BEFORE the vote..........

Aye, never mind, us knuckle draggers will soon be out manoeuvred, will will keep voting till we get the right result.

[charon 4,938]

Once Scotland F uck off, it isn't 52/48 though is it?

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

Once Scotland F uck off, it isn't 52/48 though is it?

I love you man!

[The Mad Hatter 1,091]

Once Scotland F uck off, it isn't 52/48 though is it?

and northern Ireland don't forget northern Ireland rejoining the south.

[rockhopper penguin 2,264]

The ballot asked in or out. We're out and that's accepted. But there were no manifestos, no clear direction set for out. In was easy. So what next? Some people just want to stop paying the EU, others want all the dusky faces removed from their Street. Such is the quality of our political debate.

[Deathray 2,933]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mean the out vote should be overturned or anything so ridiculous. Just that I personally think it's an absolutely horrendous decision, and will be applying for my Irish passport soon to retain my own freedom of movement rights when we're forced to leave the single market by Germany and France.

 

For some reason you're entire post is in bold, so I've underlined the bits I'm replying too:

 

Firstly you're spot on about the entitlement sentiment.

 

I take issue with you picking out Newcastle, the area was only very marginally for remain and whilst there's an image of the north east by many southerners is one of no immigration it's wrong. It's not as high as some other areas but at a 13% of the population being foreigners in 2011 (and that doesn't count migrant children) migration pressure does affect the area. Which is why it was a wafer thin majority for remain and all the areas surrounding voted out (non-UK born residents went up 74% across the region in those 10 years betwen 2001 and 2011).

 

The big issue I have with Brexit is not thinking it's xenophobic or racist, but for the next ten years we'll be wrangling to fix gaps in legislation left by withdrawal, try and pull trade deals together, rework our foreign relations and argue about independence for the colonies. The immigration pressure will remain if not get worse as we're now unable to deport them to their EU country of entry and finally I'm genuinely worried about my own job prospects as a quite possibly soon-to-be low-skilled minimum wage worker in an economy that's take a hit at the top - as we all know when confidence decreases spending decreases and there's less people needed in those jobs.

 

There may be long term positives to Brexit, such as less housing pressure meaning cheaper rent and housing but those things aren't much use to me, like everyone else in the country I voted with self-interest. I've got the right to think it's a horrendous decision when it goes the other way, the key bits accepting it and just being pissed of at the 69% of 18-24 year olds who were too apathetic to care.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

 

 

 

 

Northern Ireland may hold a vote on the re-unification of Ireland or N. Ireland independence from the United Kingdom by 2020[/

[*]Londoners are calling for an independent London city-state, that would rejoin the European Union and function like Singapore (imho go for it).

Northern Ireland joining Ireland is an excellent thing why are you speaking about it negatively.

Not sure you'll be saying the went the Ulster loyalists suddenly find their arsenals.

they are on the wrong side of History. I am on the right side and with that Ireland must unite.

I think that a United Ireland would be preferable to going back having Check points along the border but there is a significant part of the population of Northern Ireland who feel that Uniting with the Republic might place them in danger or at least lose their cultural heritage as part of Britain. Does anyone else think that Canadian's and Australian's might be considering now would be a good time to dust off their republican arguments?

We are in the middle of an election campaign now. Concerns about global economic stability and fears of a domino effect with Le Pen and so on breaking up the EU following this decision are foremost in our minds. Longer term, it might go either way. If Britain seeks us out to be a close trading partner again, it might strengthen ties but it may also hasten republicanism if people ask, "If Scotland can go their own way, why can't we?"

 

BTW, when I was at uni, we talked about the theorist Marc Auge quite a lot, who predicted that the major trend of the early 21st century would be that various European nation states would break up as ethic identities reasserted themselves throughout Europe. The Uk isn't the only one eeriencing this since we saw the Belgian fiasco a few years ago, ongoing Basque bationalsim, etc.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mean the out vote should be overturned or anything so ridiculous. Just that I personally think it's an absolutely horrendous decision, and will be applying for my Irish passport soon to retain my own freedom of movement rights when we're forced to leave the single market by Germany and France.

 

For some reason you're entire post is in bold, so I've underlined the bits I'm replying too:

 

Firstly you're spot on about the entitlement sentiment.

 

I take issue with you picking out Newcastle, the area was only very marginally for remain and whilst there's an image of the north east by many southerners is one of no immigration it's wrong. It's not as high as some other areas but at a 13% of the population being foreigners in 2011 (and that doesn't count migrant children) migration pressure does affect the area. Which is why it was a wafer thin majority for remain and all the areas surrounding voted out (non-UK born residents went up 74% across the region in those 10 years betwen 2001 and 2011).

 

The big issue I have with Brexit is not thinking it's xenophobic or racist, but for the next ten years we'll be wrangling to fix gaps in legislation left by withdrawal, try and pull trade deals together, rework our foreign relations and argue about independence for the colonies. The immigration pressure will remain if not get worse as we're now unable to deport them to their EU country of entry and finally I'm genuinely worried about my own job prospects as a quite possibly soon-to-be low-skilled minimum wage worker in an economy that's take a hit at the top - as we all know when confidence decreases spending decreases and there's less people needed in those jobs.

 

There may be long term positives to Brexit, such as less housing pressure meaning cheaper rent and housing but those things aren't much use to me, like everyone else in the country I voted with self-interest. I've got the right to think it's a horrendous decision when it goes the other way, the key bits accepting it and just being pissed of at the 69% of 18-24 year olds who were too apathetic to care.

 

I accept that there are deep concerns, I accept that people that voted to remain would have done so for good reasons.

What I don't accept is the notion that the remain camp are somewhat more intelligent and have a better grasp of things than those who voted to leave. There were a multitude of reasons why people wanted to leave, some you cannot apply stats to.

As somebody said 'some just want to stop paying the EU and others want all the dusky faces removed from their Street'................

[Deathray 2,933]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mean the out vote should be overturned or anything so ridiculous. Just that I personally think it's an absolutely horrendous decision, and will be applying for my Irish passport soon to retain my own freedom of movement rights when we're forced to leave the single market by Germany and France.

 

For some reason you're entire post is in bold, so I've underlined the bits I'm replying too:

 

Firstly you're spot on about the entitlement sentiment.

 

I take issue with you picking out Newcastle, the area was only very marginally for remain and whilst there's an image of the north east by many southerners is one of no immigration it's wrong. It's not as high as some other areas but at a 13% of the population being foreigners in 2011 (and that doesn't count migrant children) migration pressure does affect the area. Which is why it was a wafer thin majority for remain and all the areas surrounding voted out (non-UK born residents went up 74% across the region in those 10 years betwen 2001 and 2011).

 

The big issue I have with Brexit is not thinking it's xenophobic or racist, but for the next ten years we'll be wrangling to fix gaps in legislation left by withdrawal, try and pull trade deals together, rework our foreign relations and argue about independence for the colonies. The immigration pressure will remain if not get worse as we're now unable to deport them to their EU country of entry and finally I'm genuinely worried about my own job prospects as a quite possibly soon-to-be low-skilled minimum wage worker in an economy that's take a hit at the top - as we all know when confidence decreases spending decreases and there's less people needed in those jobs.

 

There may be long term positives to Brexit, such as less housing pressure meaning cheaper rent and housing but those things aren't much use to me, like everyone else in the country I voted with self-interest. I've got the right to think it's a horrendous decision when it goes the other way, the key bits accepting it and just being pissed of at the 69% of 18-24 year olds who were too apathetic to care.

 

I accept that there are deep concerns, I accept that people that voted to remain would have done so for good reasons.

What I don't accept is the notion that the remain camp are somewhat more intelligent and have a better grasp of things than those who voted to leave. There were a multitude of reasons why people wanted to leave, some you cannot apply stats to.

As somebody said 'some just want to stop paying the EU and others want all the dusky faces removed from their Street'................

 

 

Some people are inferring that from the polling data. What I infer is that those who've had lower opportunities in life and are closer to the issues of immigration were more likely to vote to leave, if you've not seen the benefits of globalisation why would you vote for it? But to me that's an issue of Westminsters making not Europes (they could have stopped benefit tourism in 2001 under EU regulations quite comfortably and if they'd done that I strongly believe we'd still be in Europe) The media have deliberately been seeking out the most inarticulate, racist and downright oddball Leave voters for their vox pop segments.

 

I do feel we'd have a similar situation if this had gone the other way as some of us just wanted to keep the status quo while others were strong supporters of a federalist EU and adopting the euro.

 

Referendums aren't a great idea anyway. Polarising a nation over such a deep constitutional matter is to me a case of those we elect to make decisions wanting to pass the buck so if it all goes tits up it's the electorates fault.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,132]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't mean the out vote should be overturned or anything so ridiculous. Just that I personally think it's an absolutely horrendous decision, and will be applying for my Irish passport soon to retain my own freedom of movement rights when we're forced to leave the single market by Germany and France.

 

For some reason you're entire post is in bold, so I've underlined the bits I'm replying too:

 

Firstly you're spot on about the entitlement sentiment.

 

I take issue with you picking out Newcastle, the area was only very marginally for remain and whilst there's an image of the north east by many southerners is one of no immigration it's wrong. It's not as high as some other areas but at a 13% of the population being foreigners in 2011 (and that doesn't count migrant children) migration pressure does affect the area. Which is why it was a wafer thin majority for remain and all the areas surrounding voted out (non-UK born residents went up 74% across the region in those 10 years betwen 2001 and 2011).

 

The big issue I have with Brexit is not thinking it's xenophobic or racist, but for the next ten years we'll be wrangling to fix gaps in legislation left by withdrawal, try and pull trade deals together, rework our foreign relations and argue about independence for the colonies. The immigration pressure will remain if not get worse as we're now unable to deport them to their EU country of entry and finally I'm genuinely worried about my own job prospects as a quite possibly soon-to-be low-skilled minimum wage worker in an economy that's take a hit at the top - as we all know when confidence decreases spending decreases and there's less people needed in those jobs.

 

There may be long term positives to Brexit, such as less housing pressure meaning cheaper rent and housing but those things aren't much use to me, like everyone else in the country I voted with self-interest. I've got the right to think it's a horrendous decision when it goes the other way, the key bits accepting it and just being pissed of at the 69% of 18-24 year olds who were too apathetic to care.

 

I accept that there are deep concerns, I accept that people that voted to remain would have done so for good reasons.

What I don't accept is the notion that the remain camp are somewhat more intelligent and have a better grasp of things than those who voted to leave. There were a multitude of reasons why people wanted to leave, some you cannot apply stats to.

As somebody said 'some just want to stop paying the EU and others want all the dusky faces removed from their Street'................

 

 

Some people are inferring that from the polling data. What I infer is that those who've had lower opportunities in life and are closer to the issues of immigration were more likely to vote to leave, if you've not seen the benefits of globalisation why would you vote for it? But to me that's an issue of Westminsters making not Europes (they could have stopped benefit tourism in 2001 under EU regulations quite comfortably and if they'd done that I strongly believe we'd still be in Europe) The media have deliberately been seeking out the most inarticulate, racist and downright oddball Leave voters for their vox pop segments.

 

I do feel we'd have a similar situation if this had gone the other way as some of us just wanted to keep the status quo while others were strong supporters of a federalist EU and adopting the euro.

 

Referendums aren't a great idea anyway. Polarising a nation over such a deep constitutional matter is to me a case of those we elect to make decisions wanting to pass the buck so if it all goes tits up it's the electorates fault.

 

I don't get you.

Sometimes you post inane stuff then you go and post intelligent and articulate stuff like that.