Political Frailty

[OneManJury 84]

1 hour ago, prussianblue said:

 

The harsh lighting and grainy film isn't doing him any favours, but he's been a bloated sack of shit for years. Has anyone filmed him falling over drunk on a train lately?

Under a train would be much funny.

[Sean 6,337]

2 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Alex Salmond not looking healthy at all.

 

 

 

[The Old Crem 3,608]

Yakup Taş Turkish politician (who was a member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey from 2018 until his death) was killed in the Earthquake aged 63. Obit  (In Turkish.)

[arghton 6,763]

On 04/08/2021 at 00:54, arghton said:

Ben Cayetano was hospitalised in 2012 with a bleeding ulcer, lost his son Brandon in 2014 and was hospitalised with a rare heart condition in 2019.

Ben Cayetano, former Governor of Hawaii had a heart stent procedure last year due to blockages. They also found that he'd had two aneurysms in the past. And he's also been diagnosed with COPD.

 

Are the following Indonesian politicians alive?

Djamaluddin Tambunan (1922-2001?)

Achmad Adnawidjaja (1922-?)

Sani Lupias Abdurachman (1922-2023)

Petrus Canisius Tarcisius Salassa (1923-2023)

Frans Sales Lega (1923-?)

Hari Suharto (1924)

Ishak Djuarsa (1925)

Daryono (1927)

Moergito (1929)

Sjoerkani (1931-2007)

[adrian0719 224]

On 15/05/2022 at 14:58, arghton said:

US politician John Fetterman hospitalised after suffering a stroke but expected to make a full recovery. Mentioned on the DL forums six times before, five of them in Biden's thread in April

 

Fetterman hospitalised again after feeling lightheaded. Being kept overnight.

[drol 11,973]

Ivan Silayev dead at 92.

[Leon Brittan 294]

14 minutes ago, drol said:

Ivan Silayev dead at 92.

Only one former Soviet PM left now then 

[Ulitzer95 12,654]

27 minutes ago, Leon Brittan said:

Only one former Soviet PM left now then 

Given that Gorbachev died recently, Ryzhkov isn’t just the last living PM of the Soviet Union, he’s the last living Soviet leader. All Chairmen, General Secretaries, Presidents etc. are dead. Very significant.

[Leon Brittan 294]

2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Given that Gorbachev died recently, Ryzhkov isn’t just the last living PM of the Soviet Union, he’s the last living Soviet leader. All Chairmen, General Secretaries, Presidents etc. are dead. Very significant.

Amazing of how time moves so fast. Another huge event of the 20th century is down to it's last sole survivor 

[YoungWillz 21,066]

Putin doing his damnedest to get the band back together again though....

[arghton 6,763]

1 hour ago, drol said:

Ivan Silayev dead at 92.

Finally. Suprised he made it this far considering he had seemingly been in failing health for the last 15 years (possibly partly due to radiation exposure from time spent in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone?) but also would've preferred if he would've chosen to die a bit later as he was my Hares joker

 

Ryzhkov's 94 this year but seems to be doing fine, 32 years since his major heart attack. 

[Ulitzer95 12,654]

On 16/09/2021 at 21:20, Ulitzer95 said:

Ok, said I'd take a look at this and it's not a perfect list by any means but here are the surviving heads of state and government from the Cold War (12 March 1947 – 26 December 1991).

I've stuck to the main participants of the Cold War as defined on this Wiki page (i.e. the Eastern and Western Blocs), as opposed to spreading this too thinly and covering every single country who played a role in an event(s) of the period.

Western Bloc

Australia
Elizabeth II (b. 1926)
Paul Keating (b. 1944)

Belgium
Mark Eyskens (b. 1933)

Canada
Elizabeth II (b. 1926)
Joe Clark (b. 1939)
Brian Mulroney (b. 1939)

Denmark
Margrethe II (b. 1940)

France
Laurent Fabius (b. 1946)
Édith Cresson (b. 1934)

Greece
Constantine II (b. 1940)
Christos Sartzetakis (b. 1929)

Iceland
Vigdís Finnbogadóttir (b. 1930)
Porsteinn Palsson (b. 1947)
Davíd Oddsson (b. 1948)

Iran
Ali Khamenei (b. 1939)
Abolhassan Banisadr (b. 1933)
Mir-Hossein Mousavi (b. 1942)

Iraq
NONE

Italy
Arnaldo Forlani (b. 1925)
Ciriaco De Mita (b. 1928)

Luxembourg
Jacques Santer (b. 1937)

The Netherlands
Beatrix (b. 1938)
Dries van Agt (b. 1931)

New Zealand
Elizabeth II (b. 1926)
Geoffrey Palmer (b. 1942)
Jim Bolger (b. 1935)

Norway
Harald V (b. 1937)
Gro Harlem Brundtland (b. 1939)
Kåre Willoch (b. 1928)

Pakistan
Elizabeth II (b. 1926)
Nawaz Sharif (b. 1949)

Philippines
NONE

Portugal
António Ramalho Eanes (b. 1935)
Francisco Pinto Balsemão (b. 1937)
Aníbal Cavaco Silva (b. 1939)

Spain
Juan Carlos I (b. 1938)
Felipe González (b. 1942)

Thailand
Thanin Kraivichien (b. 1927)
Anand Panyarachun (b. 1932)

Turkey
NONE

United Kingdom
Elizabeth II (b. 1926)
John Major (b. 1943)

United States
Jimmy Carter (b. 1924)

West Germany
NONE

Eastern Bloc

Albania
Fatos Nano (b. 1952)
Ylli Bufi (b. 1948)
Vilson Ahmeti (b. 1951)

Bulgaria
Georgi Atanasov (b. 1933)
Philip Dimitrov (b. 1955)

Byelorussia
Nikolay Slyunkov (b. 1929)
Yefrem Sokolov (b. 1926)
Stanislav Shushkevich (b. 1934)

Czechoslovakia
Karel Urbánek (b. 1941)
Lubomír Štrougal (b. 1924)
Marián Čalfa (b. 1946)

East Germany
Egon Krenz (b. 1937)
Sabine Bergmann-Pohl (b. 1946)
Hans Modrow (b. 1928)
Lothar de Maizière (b. 1940)

Hungary
Mátyás Szurös (b. 1933)

Poland
Lech Wałesa (b. 1943)
Jan Krzysztof Bielecki (b. 1951)

Romania
Ion Iliescu (b. 1930)

Soviet Union
Mikhail Gorbachev (b. 1931)
Nikolai Ryzhkov (b. 1929)
Ivan Silayev (b. 1930)

Ukraine
Leonid Kravchuk (b. 1934)
Vitold Fokin (b. 1932)

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It seems like a long list, but it's really not when you consider that 95% of Cold War leaders are dead.

Romania, West Germany, Turkey, the Philippines and Iraq are the only countries with no survivors. The USA to be the next?

46 names remaining.

Updated the list of Cold War leaders following the deaths of Constantine II, Strougal and Silayev. 46 remaining.

[arghton 6,763]

On 31/10/2022 at 13:24, arghton said:

So now from the old Indian CMs Pawar and Chandy are hospitalised, Shanta Kumar skipped some events due to health reasons two weeks ago, still don't think any of the three will die soon, meaning the next six months.

It's been a while since the last time Shibu Soren or Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee were hospitalised, for those two I think their next hospitalisation will be their last one. Same for Achuthanandan, no idea how he's still alive.

Shibu Soren, controversial perennially ill former Jharkland CM hospitalised with breathlessness, in "deteriorating" condition say some sources. He's looked half dead for the last two decades. 

Edit: reportedly pneumonia.

[Kenny 283]

10 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Given that Gorbachev died recently, Ryzhkov isn’t just the last living PM of the Soviet Union, he’s the last living Soviet leader. All Chairmen, General Secretaries, Presidents etc. are dead. Very significant.

 

Signiicant (how?) or just a bunch of geriatric totalitarians who we are well rid of?

 

Those scumbags will have been responsible for millions more deaths than Putin.

[Ulitzer95 12,654]

17 minutes ago, Kenny said:

 

Signiicant (how?) or just a bunch of geriatric totalitarians who we are well rid of?

 

Those scumbags will have been responsible for millions more deaths than Putin.

I think you need to Google what significant means. It doesn’t mean you necessarily like them! 

[arghton 6,763]

On 21/09/2021 at 23:24, arghton said:

Kazakhstan (16th of December 1991):

Living from before independence:

Vera Sidorovа (1934-) Head of State 1988-1989.

After independence

Nursultan Nazarbayev (1940-) President 1990-2019, Chairman of the Security Council 2019-. Survived covid in 2020. Also the PM of the Kazakh SSR 1984-1989.

Sergey Tereshchenko (1951-) Prime Minister 1991-1994.

Sergey Tereshchenko being reported dead at 71.

[The Old Crem 3,608]

On 21/09/2021 at 21:24, arghton said:

 

Kazakhstan (16th of December 1991):

Living from before independence:

Vera Sidorovа (1934-) Head of State 1988-1989.

After independence

Nursultan Nazarbayev (1940-) President 1990-2019, Chairman of the Security Council 2019-. Survived covid in 2020. Also the PM of the Kazakh SSR 1984-1989.

Sergey Tereshchenko (1951-) Prime Minister 1991-1994.

 

Sergey Tereshchenko has died aged 71. Obit (In Russian). 

[arghton 6,763]

Randy McNally, incumbent Lieutenant Governor of Tennessee, hospitalised for cardiac issues and likely needs a pacemaker.

 

Oommen Chandy stable and off oxygen support. Wants "more treatment for his throat issue"...

Shibu Soren stable. Suffering from CKD complications, mild pulmonary edema, lower respiratory tract infection and kidney infection. And he's also been rumored to suffer from dementia for the last 13 years.

[The Old Crem 3,608]

Sir Charles Gray, Scottish politician has died aged 94. Herald Scotland

[Comped 530]

John Fetterman, newly-sworn in Junior Senator from Pennsylvania, was hospitalized from Wednesday until today. Apparently he was hospitalised due to feeling "lightheaded". As a NYT article notes, he seems to have, even before this, significant complications from his stroke last May.

[Sean 6,337]

5 minutes ago, Comped said:

John Fetterman, newly-sworn in Junior Senator from Pennsylvania, was hospitalized from Wednesday until today. Apparently he was hospitalised due to feeling "lightheaded". As a NYT article notes, he seems to have, even before this, significant complications from his stroke last May.

I think from his  appearances since  the stroke it was clearly more severe than he and his team let on.

[Comped 530]

8 minutes ago, Sean said:

I think from his  appearances since  the stroke it was clearly more severe than he and his team let on.

The question is, if him being in DC and serving as a Senator is damaging to his health (notwithstanding that the NYT noted he already screwed himself over by campaigning as hard as he did to get elected in the first place), how long can he realistically stay a Senator? Surely he'd resign if things got worse... Although with his condition as the article outlines, I'm not sure how much worse he can get while being able to properly serve.

[Sean 6,337]

4 minutes ago, Comped said:

The question is, if him being in DC and serving as a Senator is damaging to his health (notwithstanding that the NYT noted he already screwed himself over by campaigning as hard as he did to get elected in the first place), how long can he realistically stay a Senator? Surely he'd resign if things got worse... Although with his condition as the article outlines, I'm not sure how much worse he can get while being able to properly serve.

Well Dianne Feinstein has been unfit to serve for a long while now.Fetterman may well be fit to serve but it sounds like a full term will put him under immense strain which may well be highly dangerous medically.

[Comped 530]

30 minutes ago, Sean said:

Well Dianne Feinstein has been unfit to serve for a long while now. Fetterman may well be fit to serve but it sounds like a full term will put him under immense strain which may well be highly dangerous medically.

The difference between the two lies in that it's not a danger to Feinstein's health to finish her term - which ends next year I believe. It likely is for Fetterman, especially as he seems to be significantly impared even compared to colleagues 30 years his senior. Not even talking about whatever they potentially found during this hospitalisation.

[Gisooo 3,380]

On 01/05/2022 at 18:44, arghton said:

Deniz Baykal (1938) Former deputy prime minister

 

Deniz Baykal dead at 84