Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 12, 2022 Yep, link's in the above post. Whilst clearing up a few things, I see Maurice Leather died in 2021 - https://www.football-addict.com/en/article/portsmouth-fc/we-are-deeply-saddened-to-learn-of-the-passing-of-former-pompey-goalkeeper-maurice-leather-aged-91/616c72344794fe0009999897?utm_campaign=rss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,926 Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Yep, link's in the above post. Whilst clearing up a few things, I see Maurice Leather died in 2021 - https://www.football-addict.com/en/article/portsmouth-fc/we-are-deeply-saddened-to-learn-of-the-passing-of-former-pompey-goalkeeper-maurice-leather-aged-91/616c72344794fe0009999897?utm_campaign=rss Right I've check the probate records and there's only one Simpson mentioned who died December 2021 - a Geoffrey William Simpson who died 15 December 2021. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results If I cross check with the no wills found, there's a Geoffrey William Simpson (simply "retired") died 15 December 2021 here, who was resident in Selby: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3996691 Not sure how the English system works, grant of probate on 1 March 2022, but a publication date on the Gazette of February 2022 and claims on the estate date of April 2022. Might this be our body? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Right I've check the probate records and there's only one Simpson mentioned who died December 2021 - a Geoffrey William Simpson who died 15 December 2021. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results If I cross check with the no wills found, there's a Geoffrey William Simpson (simply "retired") died 15 December 2021 here, who died in Selby: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3996691 Not sure how the English system works, grant of probate on 1 March 2022, but a publication date on the Gazette of February 2022 and claims on the estate date of April 2022. Might this be our body? Don't think so. I think GRO will tidy this up as the probate search doesn't have every death on there as I have found with other footballers or racers Depends when he died in December if he even makes GRO in 2021 or not... That dead link about his birthday was from Wakefield so I do think it's a different chap. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,926 Posted June 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Don't think so. I think GRO will tidy this up as the probate search doesn't have every death on there as I have found with other footballers or racers Depends when he died in December if he even makes GRO in 2021 or not... That dead link about his birthday was from Wakefield so I do think it's a different chap. Not beyond the bounds of possibility Wakefield hospital covers his residence at Selby? I don't know, it's all the Yorkshires. We need an Ulitzer type investigation on that date of birth. Or someone who can access an archived version of that birthday story. What might be stretching it is that there is no notice of no will seeking claims and no grant of probate to date if he is not our guy. Not impossible mind you, but it would be surprising to me that there's nothing at all. Of course, if he didn't die in December but another date, I can have another look, but the entries I found are the only ones to date that would fit with Hugmans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 12, 2022 The thing is with the probate records is - correct me if I'm wrong - it depends on if it's a joint will or the type of will? GRO has my Grandad dying in 2015, which I can use as a verifiable source.https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results But if I look on probate search only, he's not there at all. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results it's only when my Grandma died a few years later, that the will was actioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,926 Posted June 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: The thing is with the probate records is - correct me if I'm wrong - it depends on if it's a joint will or the type of will? GRO has my Grandad dying in 2015, which I can use as a verifiable source.https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results But if I look on probate search only, he's not there at all. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/search-results it's only when my Grandma died a few years later, that the will was actioned. No idea, completely different in Scotland. Horrid system by the sounds of it. Estates in Scotland always have to be declared, even if leaving everything to the spouse. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insane 321 Posted June 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: You can’t confirm this. You literally just pulled that out of your backside. I get what you are saying but there’s very little information these days on these men so I went there for the best source 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 18, 2022 On 25/10/2020 at 19:03, One shot Paddy said: Bertie Wright turned 101 on Friday, still able attend games but not able to wear a mask properly. Bertie Wright has died, aged 102. Not sure if it's linked to the lack of proper mask-wearing.... https://twitter.com/Glentoran/status/1538176528709730304 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gary1961 5 Posted June 24, 2022 Hi all Had confirmation today from his brother, that Geoff Steiner (3 games for Watford in 1951/52) passed away in August 21 in the Netherlands. Gary 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 24, 2022 3 hours ago, gary1961 said: Hi all Had confirmation today from his brother, that Geoff Steiner (3 games for Watford in 1951/52) passed away in August 21 in the Netherlands. Gary Thanks Gary, sorry to hear this. Appreciate this as with Geoff living in the Netherlands, it wouldn't have got picked up in the GRO/wills Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 27, 2022 Bob Gray, who was quite probably the second oldest living player behind Graham Bailey, died in April. A legend for Gateshead, who at that time were a league team. Probably one of their few living league players. - https://www.facebook.com/gatesheadfc/posts/10158576388822344 or https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/gray/5033041 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted June 27, 2022 By the way, although Eric Dale's football career was very short, with just one league appearance for Shrewsbury Town, this is why I listed him as alive. https://wehavewayspod.com/eric-dale/ Nothing in GRO since and checking the birth index does give his given name as Eric. But after digging deeper, I have found this comment on Facebook from 2020. So he's gone as well. I had the pleasure of knowing Eric on & off for over 30yrs and I still see Gladys ( his widow) regularly. What a lovely couple. Both are a credit to our community and a real link to how our village life was... God bless. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoismakoto 285 Posted June 29, 2022 I'll try to list here football players from other countries aside from the UK. All above the age of 90 Argentina Julio Avila 27 December 1927 Australia Ron Lord 25 July 1929 Billy Henderson 23 November 1929 Con Purser 2 August 1931 Brazil Mario Zagallo 9 August 1931 Belgium Maurice Willems 24 September 1929 Richard Orlans 6 October 1931 Bulgaria Lazar Kristov 18 March 1925 Chile Arturo Nourdin 16 August 1927 Domingo Massaro 28 August 1927 Carlos Espinoza 21 April 1928 Manuel Munoz 28 April 1928 Andres Prieto 16 December 1928 Fernando Jara 9 August 1930 China Chia Boon Leong 1 January 1925 Singaporean by nationality and spends football career in Singapore but represented China in 1948 Olympics Costa Rica Alex Sanchez Cruz 20 July 1930 Egypt Abdel Aziz Kabil 14 March 1927 France Francois Remetter 8 August 1928 Dominique Collona 4 September 1928 Robert Mouynet 25 March 1930 Germany Johannes Matzen 13 February 1925 Alfred Reinhardt 3 March 1928 Werner Otto 4 January 1929 Represented Saarland Gerhard Marotzke 30 September 1929 Willi Sippel 20 March 1929 Represented Saarland Greece Georgios Darivas 12 March 1926 Ioannis Ioannou 1931 Iceland Bjarni Guðnason 3 September 1928 Hörður Felixson 25 October 1931 India Samar Banerjee 30 January 1930 Indonesia Tan Liong Houw 26 July 1930 Iran Mohamed Bayati 5 May 1932 Italy Arcadio Venturi 18 May 1929 Lorenzo Buffon 19 December 1929 Carlo Galli 6 March 1931 Japan Yukio Shinomura 25 January 1932 Luxembourg Leon Letsch 23 May 1927 Mexico Antonio Carbajal 7 June 1929 Alfredo Torres 31 May 1931 Netherlands Kees Rijvers 27 May 1926 Cor van der Gijp 1 August 1931 Kees Kuijs 4 October 1931 Paraguay Dario Jara 27 January 1930 Portugal Jose Pereira 15 September 1931 Soviet Union Nikita Simonyan 12 October 1926 Spain Miguel Vela Tardio 8 May 1922/27 Juan Antonio Ortega 22 December 1922 Jose Prendes 12 February 1930 Carmelo 6 December 1930 Jose Vicente 19 December 1931 Alberto Pla 7 May 1932 Switzerland Gilbert Fesselet 16 April 1928 Gilbert Rey 30 August 1930 Francesco Chiesa 25 September 1931 Rolf Mägerli 23 July 1932 Taiwan Mok Chun Wah 5 May 1929 Hong Kong by nationality and spends career in Hong Kong but represents Taiwan internationally Law Pak 1932/25 May 1933 Hong Kong by nationality and spends career in Hong Kong but represents Taiwan internationally. English sources listed his as born in 1933 while Chinese sources listed him as 1932. Thailand Nit Sriyabhaya 1930 Turkey Galip Haktanir 1 August 1921 Burhan Sargun 11 February 1929 Ersoy Sukru 14 January 1931 Ayhan Hançer 20 June 1931 Uruguay Dagoberto Moll 22 July 1927 Jose Santamaria 31 July 1928 USA Ron Coder 14 September 1928 Lloyd Monsen 7 May 1931 Jack Dunn 12 September 1931 Venezuela Douglas Vidal 15 January 1928 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted July 1, 2022 On 29/06/2022 at 14:13, whoismakoto said: I'll try to list here football players from other countries aside from the UK. All above the age of 90 Argentina Julio Avila 27 December 1927 Uruguay Dagoberto Moll 22 July 1927 Jose Santamaria 31 July 1928 Thanks for this. I have some questions though about whether you have found more information on a few people. This is not a criticism of why they're not on there, just a query, as I know your research is good. You don't include Rafael Souto (born 1930) of Uruguay. I must admit, this Twitter post, talks about him in the past tense - https://mobile.twitter.com/cndefhistoria/status/1320038796126281729?lang=ar - rather than saying, happy 90th birthday. Osvaldo Cruz - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osvaldo_H%C3%A9ctor_Cruz - do you think he's dead? You also don't mention Reino Borjesson - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reino_B%C3%B6rjesson - who was definitely alive in 2019. https://www.gp.se/livsstil/vm-hj%C3%A4lten-fyller-90-och-minns-sitt-st%C3%B6rsta-%C3%B6gonblick-1.12786870 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted July 1, 2022 Harry Jarvis is still alive (or appears to be), but has dementia. There's even a recent photo of him (well, 2019) - https://www.chichesterpost.co.uk/2019/06/dementia-family-get-a-welcome-surprise-with-a-visit-from-stars/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoismakoto 285 Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said: You don't include Rafael Souto (born 1930) of Uruguay. I must admit, this Twitter post, talks about him in the past tense - https://mobile.twitter.com/cndefhistoria/status/1320038796126281729?lang=ar - rather than saying, happy 90th birthday. I use an online telephone directory of Uruguay and Spain to check if the player is still alive if there are no news regarding about that player. Granted, it's not 100% accurate but there's a chance. I didn't see Rafael Souto in either of those directories so I couldn't be sure if he is still alive. 1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said: Osvaldo Cruz - https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osvaldo_H%C3%A9ctor_Cruz - do you think he's dead? In the case for Argentina, their online directory is a mess. Unlike Uruguay and Spain where the person's name is listed in full name, Argentina does not. I saw there were 3 "Osvaldo H Cruz" listed and all live in Buenos Aires so I couldn't tell if one of them is the football player. 1 hour ago, Octopus of Odstock said: You also don't mention Reino Borjesson - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reino_B%C3%B6rjesson - who was definitely alive in 2019. https://www.gp.se/livsstil/vm-hj%C3%A4lten-fyller-90-och-minns-sitt-st%C3%B6rsta-%C3%B6gonblick-1.12786870 Yeah I'm aware about Borjesson. There was an earlier post about 10 oldest Swedish football player so that's why I didn't bother listing Sweden's. On 20/12/2021 at 07:03, Predictor said: Sorry for going a bit off-topic in this post, but I thought I'd share some information about the oldest living footballers in my country. I made sure to confirm in a reliable source that these people are indeed alive today. Top 10 oldest living footballers 1. Hans Tvilling (15 July 1928): 93 2. Reino Börjesson (4 Feb 1929): 92 3. Sven Lindberg (30 Jan 1930): 91 4. Henry Thillberg (17 Aug 1930): 91 5. Charles Gustafsson (25 Dec 1932): 88 6. Lennart Backman (7 Feb 1934): 87 7. Lars-Erik Ahlberg (5 June 1934): 87 8. Gösta Lundell (14 Oct 1934): 87 9. Kurt Hamrin (10 Nov 1934): 87 10. Lennart Svensson (18 Nov 1934): 87 Interestingly, Tvilling had a MUCH better ice hockey career. I'd like to see athletes try excelling in more than one sport today...Anyway, I was unable to confirm that Arne Larsson (27 Apr 1931) and Leif Forsberg (6 Oct 1932) are still alive. Living players capped before 1960 (number of caps during year in parenthesis). 1950: - 1951: Hans Tvilling (2), Reino Börjesson (1) 1952: - 1953: Henry Thillberg (4), Kurt Hamrin (3) 1954: Henry Thillberg (8), Kurt Hamrin (8) 1955: Kurt Hamrin (9), Bertil Nilsson (4), Henry Thillberg (3) & Charles Gustafsson (1) 1956: Henry Thillberg (4) & Jan Ekström (3) 1957: Reino Börjesson (2), Jan Ekström (2), Charles Gustafsson (1), Harry Bild (1) & Lars-Erik Ahlberg (1), 1958: Reino Börjesson (7), Kurt Hamrin (5), Lennart Backman (2) & Owe Ohlsson (1) 1959: Lennart Backman (4), Henry Thillberg (3), Harry Bild (3), Owe Ohlsson (1), Lars-Erik Ahlberg (1) & Nils Johansson (1) Ekström was apparently originally included in the 1958 WC squad, but was ultimately omitted. Injuries stopped Thillberg and Backman from participating at the tournament. Living goalscorers for Sweden in the 1950s: Kurt Hamrin: 14 Henry Thillberg: 9 Harry Bild: 3 Bertil Nilsson: 3 Jan Ekström: 2 Reino Börjesson: 2 DOB for those capped in the 50s and not in the top 10 list: Nils Johansson (14 Dec 1934), Bertil Nilsson (16 Jan 1936), Harry Bild (18 Dec 1936), Jan Ekström (11 Oct 1937) & Owe Ohlsson (19 Aug 1938) To bring back the main topic, Lennart Wing (7 Aug 1935) is very much alive. He played for Dundee Utd for a few years. Also, Sven Lindberg played for Petersborough Utd in 57-58. The goalie also played for the Welsh club Barry Town Utd plus supposedly one single game for Preston North End. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted July 2, 2022 Joe Boyden, Walsall's oldest player, died in May - https://www.bescotbanter.net/2022/05/joe-boyden.html, aged 93 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted July 2, 2022 Meanwhile, George Price, formerly of Crewe Alexandra, also died in May - https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/price/5043824 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 18,926 Posted July 4, 2022 Len Casey, who some sources are reporting as Chelsea's oldest former player, reportedly dead aged 91: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,919 Posted July 5, 2022 11 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Len Casey, who some sources are reporting as Chelsea's oldest former player, reportedly dead aged 91: Obit from Chelsea F.C. They confirm he was their oldest player. They also usefully clarify that their oldest player is now Len Kell (Hugman's) b. 1932, who appears to be too obscure to have his own Wiki page! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted August 30, 2022 As posted elsewhere, Sammy Chung has died, but so too has Tommy Carpenter, Watford's oldest player and one of the oldest verified as still alive: https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/20847517.former-watford-players-chung-mcneice-carpenter-die/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted September 6, 2022 I am getting towards the end of the additional players born from 1930-1932 to add to the oldest players list. 1930 and 1931 is done, with a bit of work to go for 1932, but hope to have it uploaded here by the end of the year. Thanks to @Ulitzer95, the GRO Index has revealed that one chap from the original list who won't be on the new one is Keith Francis who died back in 2019: FRANCIS, KEITH ROY 1929 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2019 in SOMERSET 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted September 21, 2022 Jimmy Elder has died; https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/pompey-mourn-jimmy-elder/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus of Odstock 1,848 Posted October 10, 2022 80% there now in terms of progression with adding the 1931 and 1932 births for a much fuller update. But at the same time, I'm checking the old ones and I'm pretty sure I've solved John O'Sullivan. There's only one John O'Sullivan born in Cork between April-June 1922 according to Irish birth records. That gives a middle name of Joseph. John Joseph O'Sullivan, born 30th May 1922 (same date as the footballer), died 13th September 2004, in Australia - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/231347563/john-joseph-o'sullivan I'd like a bit more evidence, but I'm 95% sure it's him based on the lack of other possibilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 10,919 Posted October 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said: 80% there now in terms of progression with adding the 1931 and 1932 births for a much fuller update. But at the same time, I'm checking the old ones and I'm pretty sure I've solved John O'Sullivan. There's only one John O'Sullivan born in Cork between April-June 1922 according to Irish birth records. That gives a middle name of Joseph. John Joseph O'Sullivan, born 30th May 1922 (same date as the footballer), died 13th September 2004, in Australia - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/231347563/john-joseph-o'sullivan I'd like a bit more evidence, but I'm 95% sure it's him based on the lack of other possibilities. Where do you access the Irish birth records? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
