UK Singles Chart

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

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[Genfærd 452]

I like this thread already.

[YoungWillz 21,033]

Back to Bobby Angelo and The Tuxedos.

 

A bit of digging seems to indicate Pete Cresswell was aged 16 when he definitely played lead guitar on Baby Sittin'. Rumour is it is most likely Mick Avory on drums on the single, but nothing definite.

 

Wiki for legacy band The End: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_(UK_band)

 

Roger Groom(e) aka Don Groom(e) was briefly in The Nashville Teens at least twice.

[Clorox Bleachman 2,410]

My list of death dates, not as polished as yours:

 

Posthumous releases

15/12/1944 Glenn Miller
17/06/1954 Danny Cedrone

 

Complete DD/MM/YYYY death dates
16/03/1958 Charlie Kunz
07/10/1959 Mario Lanza
02/04/1960 Gene Alford
25/02/1961 Lee Lawrence
30/08/1963 Axel Stordahl
15/02/1965 Nat King Cole
26/10/1966 Alma Cogan
25/03/1969 Billy Cotton
18/11/1969 Ted Heath
06/05/1971 Dickie Valentine
06/07/1971 Louis Armstrong
02/05/1973 June Hutton
24/05/1974 Duke Ellington
30/09/1977 Mary Ford
14/10/1977 Bing Crosby
23/01/1978 Vic Ames
02/03/1978 Johnny Wallace
07/08/1978 Eddie Calvert
09/09/1979 Norrie Paramor
15/01/1980 David Whitfield
15/11/1980 Bill Lee
29/03/1980 Mantovani
09/02/1981 Bill Haley
13/05/1981 Joan Weber
28/06/1982 Harry Mills
28/02/1983 Winifred Atwell
13/09/1985 Muriel Smith
24/11/1985 Big Joe Turner
29/06/1986 Cliff Townshend
03/03/1987 Danny Kaye
07/02/1988 Ray Martin
22/11/1988 Janet Ertel
20/03/1989 Archie Bleyer
12/04/1989 Herbert Mills
24/02/1990 Johnnie Ray
05/01/1991 Billie Anthony
17/10/1991 Tennessee Ernie Ford
10/01/1992 Babette DeCastro
25/01/1992 Clarence Dixon
26/01/1992 José Ferrer
08/03/1993 Billy Eckstine
19/06/1993 Tony Brent
30/09/1993 Ronnie Aldrich
26/03/1994 Stan Roderick
09/06/1995 Frank Chacksfield
09/12/1995 Vivian Blaine
25/12/1995 Dean Martin
22/03/1996 Billy Williamson
17/12/1996 Ruby Murray
26/04/1997 Gene Ames
06/12/1997 George Chisholm
14/04/1998 Dorothy Squires
14/05/1998 Frank Sinatra
10/06/1998 Johnny Johnston
01/07/1999 Guy Mitchell
23/07/1999 Max Smith
17/09/1999 Frankie Vaughan
13/11/1999 Donald Mills
09/12/2000 Ray Burns
12/12/2000 Dotty Todd
21/02/2001 Ronnie Hilton
21/03/2001 Anthony Steel
12/05/2001 Perry Como
22/10/2001 Cliff Adams
13/11/2001 Panama Francis
29/06/2002 Rosemary Clooney
08/01/2003 Ron Goodwin
05/09/2003 Gisele MacKenzie
23/02/2004 Don Cornell
06/03/2004 Peggy DeCastro
09/03/2004 Ruby Wright
07/05/2004 Rudi Maugeri
15/06/2004 Jimmy Arnold
22/05/2005 Thurl Ravenscroft
22/11/2005 Ken Mackintosh
03/06/2006 Johnny Grande
14/09/2006 Norman Brooks
06/02/2007 Frankie Laine
10/09/2007 Jane Wyman
10/10/2007 Art Todd
17/10/2007 Teresa Brewer
22/12/2007 Joe Ames
20/01/2008 Tommy McQuater
16/07/2008 Jo Stafford
14/08/2008 Lita Roza
07/03/2009 Jimmy Boyd
12/08/2009 Les Paul
13/10/2009 Al Martino
27/11/2009 Al Alberts
14/03/2010 Cherie DeCastro
28/04/2010 Connie Codarini
18/07/2010 Bob Hamlin
22/09/2010 Eddie Fisher
27/09/2010 Buddy Morrow
04/10/2010 Norman Wisdom
12/07/2012 Dave Mahoney
31/08/2012 Max Bygraves
01/01/2013 Patti Page
27/01/2013 Lou Silvestri
05/04/2013 Rosario Vaccaro
25/05/2013 Marshal Lytle
12/09/2013 Joan Regan
09/02/2014 Ronnie Milne
24/02/2014 Franny Beecher
08/02/2015 Sally Sweetland
07/04/2015 Stan Freberg
08/12/2015 Bonnie Lou
31/08/2015 Joy Beverley
07/01/2016 Kitty Kallen
27/07/2016 Pat Barrett
03/11/2016 Kay Starr
07/11/2016 Jimmy Young
28/10/2018 Babs Beverley
04/01/2019 Diana Decker
28/01/2019 Frank Busseri
13/05/2019 Doris Day
06/02/2020 Lynn Evans

 

Living/unreported deaths by release year

1952: Vera Lynn
1953: Ray Anthony; Teddie Beverley; Joni James; Vera Lynn
1954: Joey Ambrose; Petula Clark; Vera Lynn; Margie Needham; John Perkins; Ray Perkins; Bernie Toorish
1955: Ed Ames; Bob Porter

[Cerberus 302]

Add to the above:

 

26/12/1999 Curtis Mayfield

26/09/2003 Robert Palmer

13/01/2010 Teddy Pendergrass

19/05/2011 Kathy Kirby

23/10/2014 Alvin Stardust

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

@YoungWillz Thanks! I've updated the info for Bobby Angelo and The Tuxedos!

Cerberus & Clorox Bleachman - Thank you, I will refer to these if I get stuck in case there are any names on your list I can't find elsewhere.

Thats's A completed!
 I nearly lost the will to live listening to all of those Winifred Atwell records in the background as I was adding them. My late gran was very fond of her. My mum, not so much, who would refer to her as "that fucking woman with that fucking piano".

Kind of see her point...

EDIT: Another stumbling point - The Avons. If anyone can find full birth details and their fates (I'm unsure if they're all still about), please do say!

[Toast 16,131]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

  I nearly lost the will to live listening to all of those Winifred Atwell records in the background as I was adding them. My late gran was very fond of her. My mum, not so much, who would refer to her as "that fucking woman with that fucking piano".

 

 

I hope this will serve as an antidote.  The original version of "Poor People Of Paris".  Enjoy!

 

 

[Death Impends 7,962]

Wonder - is there any easy way of listening to everything that's charted in chronological order (ie, all the songs that debuted one week, then all the songs that debuted the next week, etc, rather than the typical countdowns of a specific week), via playlists or whatnot? Also looking to see if anyone has done such with US Billboard charts.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

12 minutes ago, Death Impends said:

Wonder - is there any easy way of listening to everything that's charted in chronological order (ie, all the songs that debuted one week, then all the songs that debuted the next week, etc, rather than the typical countdowns of a specific week), via playlists or whatnot? Also looking to see if anyone has done such with US Billboard charts.

If you want to fork out £10,000 for a jukebox from Sound Leisure, it has every chart hit on there and you can browse by time.

 

Otherwise, no. Sorry 

[Death Impends 7,962]

Time to do some extensive manual YouTubing then

[msc 18,438]

3 minutes ago, Death Impends said:

Time to do some extensive manual YouTubing then

 

Be wary, there's a lot of rubbish lifted by brief appearances by a Doris Day, Lonnie Donegan or Bill Haley for years before Elvis and co show up. If I ever need to hear Al Martino again it'll be too soon...

 

Great thread idea, btw.

[Death Impends 7,962]

Just now, msc said:

 

Be wary, there's a lot of rubbish lifted by brief appearances by a Doris Day, Lonnie Donegan or Bill Haley for years before Elvis and co show up. If I ever need to hear Al Martino again it'll be too soon...

 

Great thread idea, btw.

 

I've listened to all the regular songs on my radio's 50s on 5 station and so am used to how erratic the decade gets... Chuck Berry and co who still hold up well one song and then some mediocre early country song the next. I have the endurance

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

On 29/02/2020 at 20:01, Ulitzer95 said:

B

B. Bumble and the Stingers
Wiki American group of session musicians who were replaced by a "promotional band" for tour purposes following their success in the U.S.
Session muscians:
Jan Davis 04 Nov 1939 – 02 May 2014 (74)
René Hall 26 Sep 1912 – 11 Feb 1988 (75)
Ali Hazan 07 Nov 1934 – 02 Mar 2019 (84)
Earl Palmer 25 Oct 1924 – 19 Sep 2008 (83)
Promotional members:
Terry Anderson 24 Nov 1941 – Living
R. C. Gamble 03 Nov 1941 – 02 Aug 2008 (66)
Jimmy King (aka Lou Josie) 14 Jul 1936 – Living
Don Orr 1939 – deceased
19/04/1962 Nut Rocker #1
NB: Lots of wrong info on the internet about who actually performed on this record but this site sets the record straight. As for the promotional members who toured in the UK for the record, again lots of confusion but this Facebook page set up by Terry Anderson himself confirms the four names who toured in the UK. There is also a comment from Orr's son on a post confirming that he is dead. This obituary for a Jimmy King (1950–2019) claims to be the one in the band, which is silly as he would've been just 13 when they disbanded! As per this the real Jimmy King was actually Lou Josie (but Ancestry records confirm he was born in 1936, two years earlier than the age he publicly used). Birth details for Anderson are from his Facebook.

Alice Babs 26 Jan 1924 – 11 Feb 2014 (90) NY Times obit

Wiki Swedish singer who started her career as an actress
15/08/1963 After You've Gone #43

Well that first one was an absolute ballache. Took me ages to piece together the info. 

Found Anderson's FB page... wonder if I should contact him or not to complete the info? 

[Toast 16,131]

14 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Found Anderson's FB page... wonder if I should contact him or not to complete the info? 

 

Worth a go.  There's no need to mention Deathlist or deadpooling, is there.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

Done a big chunk of B now.

I'm missing some bio details for several of the members in the following 3 groups:
B. Bumble and the Stingers
Bar-Kays
Chris Barber's Jazz Band

Any help appreciated.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

That's half of B completed (please see page 1) and I reckon I'm over 1/10 of the way through over all now.

I'm missing key member details for the following:

The Bedrocks, a group formed in Leeds comprised of members from the West Indies. Missing bio info for several members.
Freddie Bell and the Bellboys, American vocal group, probable that they're all dead but I can't find anything on two members.
Boyd Bennett and his Rockets, American group, missing bio info for three members.
Cliff Bennett and the Rebel Rousers, Lineups changed consistently so I'm not sure who played on their three records from 64-66
Dave Berry and the Cruisers, I have the names of all the Cruisers, can't find bio info for any of them! From forum discussions I believe most or all of them resided in Sheffield
The Big Ben Banjo Band, had an incredible 15 members when they were charting, can't find info for seven of them
The Birds, Ronnie Wood & Kim Gardner's original outfit from London. I found a 2015 interview with Ali McKenzie but don't have bio details for him or the other two members
Blue Mink, Barry Morgan was the drummer and he died in 2007. I don't have his full DOB and I think his death date could actually just be the date it was announced online. Can't find him in the GRO or Ancestry. Barry not his real name?
EDIT: Solved (sort of). According to his Discogs page, Barry was born Jerome Barry Morgan. In the GRO, there is a Jerome Barry Morgan who died in late 2007, but he was born 1931, not 1944 as his birth is widely reported to be. This makes sense as his son Brett (also a drummer) was interviewed in 2005 here and said he was 44 so born 1961 (Barry was 30 when he had his son, if he was born 1944 he would've been 16/17 when he fathered.. unlikely). His son also says he lives in Sussex, and the Jerome Barry Morgan born 1931 died 2007 died in... ding ding ding, Sussex. Must surely be him - understandable that they may have lied about his age when he was in the band for image purposes. Will change to reflect.

Any help no matter how trivial appreciated!
 

[YoungWillz 21,033]

18 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

That's half of B completed (please see page 1) and I reckon I'm over 1/10 of the way through over all now.

I'm missing key member details for the following:

The Bedrocks, a group formed in Leeds comprised of members from the West Indies. Missing bio info for several members.
Freddie Bell and the Bellboys, American vocal group, probable that they're all dead but I can't find anything on two members.
Boyd Bennett and his Rockets, American group, missing bio info for three members.
Cliff Bennett and the Rebel Rousers, Lineups changed consistently so I'm not sure who played on their three records from 64-66
Dave Berry and the Cruisers, I have the names of all the Cruisers, can't find bio info for any of them! From forum discussions I believe most or all of them resided in Sheffield
The Big Ben Banjo Band, had an incredible 15 members when they were charting, can't find info for seven of them
The Birds, Ronnie Wood & Kim Gardner's original outfit from London. I found a 2015 interview with Ali McKenzie but don't have bio details for him or the other two members
Blue Mink, Barry Morgan was the drummer and he died in 2007. I don't have his full DOB and I think his death date could actually just be the date it was announced online. Can't find him in the GRO or Ancestry. Barry not his real name?
EDIT: Solved (sort of). According to his Discogs page, Barry was born Jerome Barry Morgan. In the GRO, there is a Jerome Barry Morgan who died in late 2007, but he was born 1931, not 1944 as his birth is widely reported to be. This makes sense as his son Brett (also a drummer) was interviewed in 2005 here and said he was 44 so born 1961 (Barry was 30 when he had his son, if he was born 1944 he would've been 16/17 when he fathered.. unlikely). His son also says he lives in Sussex, and the Jerome Barry Morgan born 1931 died 2007 died in... ding ding ding, Sussex. Must surely be him - understandable that they may have lied about his age when he was in the band for image purposes. Will change to reflect.

Any help no matter how trivial appreciated!
 

Yeah, some of these are the proverbial nightmare.

 

One thing is for sure - Frank Allen left Cliff Bennett and the Rebel Rousers before the latter's first hit, Allen being firmly ensconced in The Searchers by August 1964.

[YoungWillz 21,033]

@Ulitzer95 If you expand the blurb below the YouTube link you have given for I'll Take You Home by Cliff and the Rebel Rousers, it tells you the line up for that song.

 

Now, if only we could find a live version of that, we'd be able to cross reference with the live versions of the other two singles which are up. I'd suggest that as the only sax players listed for the group, Moss Groves and Sid Phillips are on all the singles. Looks like Mick Burt on drums as early as their first hit, definitely played on the last two.

 

Good luck with the rest.

[Cat O'Falk 3,290]

20 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Dave Berry and the Cruisers, I have the names of all the Cruisers, can't find bio info for any of them! From forum discussions I believe most or all of them resided in Sheffield

 

Ok, doing a bit of digging, after Roy Barber's death his missus sold his guitar at auction.

 

Quote

After Roy Barber’s death, his widow, Val, auctioned the guitar at Sotheby’s Olympia on 14th June 2002 (ex lot 315 ‘Rock & Roll Fashion and Memorabilia’).

 

From G.R.O. records, a guy named Roy Barber (no middle initial) married Valerie A Edwards in 1968 in Sheffield. Only two people named Roy Barber were born in Sheffield between 1920 and 1960, one in 1935 and one in 1944. The records further show Roy Barber, born in 1944, died in Chesterfield in 2000.  

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

21 minutes ago, Cat O'Falk said:

 

Ok, doing a bit of digging, after Roy Barber's death his missus sold his guitar at auction.

 

 

From G.R.O. records, a guy named Roy Barber (no middle initial) married Valerie A Edwards in 1968 in Sheffield. Only two people named Roy Barber were born in Sheffield between 1920 and 1960, one in 1935 and one in 1944. The records further show Roy Barber, born in 1944, died in Chesterfield in 2000.  

Thanks @Cat O'Falk! I've extended the list to all members as it seems impossible to determine who played on what. From your digging I was able to find Roy's full date of birth and death on Ancestry.

Also found Kenny Slade's date of birth as per this.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

@Ulitzer95 If you expand the blurb below the YouTube link you have given for I'll Take You Home by Cliff and the Rebel Rousers, it tells you the line up for that song.

 

Now, if only we could find a live version of that, we'd be able to cross reference with the live versions of the other two singles which are up. I'd suggest that as the only sax players listed for the group, Moss Groves and Sid Phillips are on all the singles. Looks like Mick Burt on drums as early as their first hit, definitely played on the last two.

 

Good luck with the rest.

Thanks @YoungWillz. Removed Allen. Added those who were missing as per the credits on that YouTube page. Kept King and Winters for now. Still intend to go back to this one once I finish the rest of "B", which will be in the next couple of days.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

On 29/02/2020 at 20:01, Ulitzer95 said:

B

Babbity Blue Jan 1948 – Living
Discogs UK singer, real name Barbara Chalk
11/02/1965 Don't Make Me (Fall in Love with You) #48 The Tremeloes provide the backing
 

Don't suppose anyone knows what happened to Babbity Blue?

I really like the record!

[Spade_Cooley 9,515]

32 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Don't suppose anyone knows what happened to Babbity Blue?

I really like the record!

 

You can find her posting on a Usenet newsgroup 12 years ago here.

[Ulitzer95 12,583]

Okay, finally finished the letter B! (please see page one). Finding some parts of this fun and interesting, others incredibly tedious, but I'll get through the whole thing eventually.

Help needed with...

Rose Brennan, Irish singer born 1931... but is she still living??? Can't find anything recent on her.
Joe Brown and the Bruvvers, Most of us know Joe Brown but not so much the band. I've left notes on this listing because I can't seem to determine which members appeared on the hits. Very annoying when this happens!
Tommy Bruce and The Bruisers, UK group. Can't find bio details for Dave Mountney, also member Bobby Coral (real name John Shipp) is dead but I don't have a date for this (likely in the 2010s though).
The Bystanders, UK group. Missing bio details for two members, missing full birth and death details for another two.

Will start C over the weekend.

[YoungWillz 21,033]

Not sure if this is of much help, but this link will take you to a site which references a Brian Dunn (born March 1940, died 7 September 2015) and has a pic of the Bruvvers with their names underneath as of circa 1962. http://www.wharfbeat.co.uk/wharfbeat_041.htm and Bobby Graham mentioned as drummer by then. Given this is around the time the session musos left and the band was formally formed, this is probably the line-up for follow-up hits (though no guarantee these bods were not just the face of the band).

 

Brian Dunn's Obit here: https://www.northyorkshirenews.com/whats-on/music/tribute-to-harrogate-s-brian-dunn-he-helped-build-early-british-rock-n-roll-1-7467212, references him appearing on several hits.

 

Now all you need to do is watch the live performances of all the hits by Joe Brown and the Bruvvers to see if there were any other changes, subsequent to the 1962 line-up.