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  2. Posted

    Zhou Youguang was an easy and obvious miss. Although maybe not particularly well known in the West, he was definitely an important enough figure in China who also happened to live past the age of 110.

     

    (People like Emma Morano would not qualify for Deathlist as the only thing that makes them famous is their highly advanced age).

     

    He also got a Daily Mail obit:

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4119592/Zhou-Youguang-father-Chinese-Romanization-dies.html

     

    Well, to be honest I didnt really expect an OBIT for Zhou Youguang and thats how I didnt consider him in my personnel DL. Maybe thats the same reason why the comittee did never consider him?

    It`s bloody difficult, like a bet you have to place, cause you never know before if People like Zhou Youguang are really obitable.

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  3. Posted

     

    Yeah. The advance age thing, he probably wasn't put on due to his age. They rarely put anyone debuting past the age of 100 (Rockefeller and Rainer are two I can think up on the top of my head), so he's probably wasn't put on due to those reasons.

    I could be wrong but I'm sure someone said on the forums years ago the deathlist committee limit the amount of people over a 100 on the list.

     

     

    Yes, that could be right. I have analyzed the average Age of all 50 People in official deathlist in the past years. The average is constant at about 88 years.

    By the way, I follow the same approach regarding my own shadow list. Of course I could reach a lot more hits if I would adjust the year-average upwards and put some more centenarians in my list. but this is not particularly challenging in my point of view.

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  6. Posted

    Soares is without a doubt biggest miss by committee. Beside of Barroso he was the most important politician in Portugal, well known all over the world. He implements democracy and brought Portugal in the EU.

     

    Claire Hollingworth is for my taste not a big miss, pure national personality, not important enough on a worldwide-viéw. If you would ask coincidentally ten people outside UK, for example in Germany, Italy, France or somewhere else I would be sure nobody would know her.

     

    Not sure regarding Peter Sarstedt or John Berger, both were definitely better known than Hollingworth

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  9. Posted

     

    In my point of view a good pick für DL.

    Jawohl, mein führe... Oops, I mean, I thought you'd at least complain about the lack of German folks (or should I say Völker? the Austrians and the Swiss are missing as well), their only candidate on the list seems to be the Pope Emeritus and even he is a Vatican citizen (although at least he was affiliated with the Hitlerjugend).

     

    So many missed opportunities... (e.g. Kohl or Habermas etc.)

     

     

    @Gossip Gape: Attached the 50 Deathlist-People sorted by origin (percentage), here you can see what I meant before

     

    42% from UK

    40% from USA incl. 1 from Canada

    8% from Africa (Tutu, Mugabe, Mubarak and van der Westhuizen)

    4% from EU (Cardin, King Michael)

    2% from South America (Perez)

    2% from Asia (Akihito)

    2% Rest (Pope from Vatikan)

     

    82% are only from UK and USA. This is everything else than a worldwide cross-section. Or do the DL-comittee really believe that most of prominent figures exist only in UK and US?

    Only 4% from EU, this is embarassing, not only cause I am living in EU, but EU contains at least as many prominent people as the USA. Maybe DL-comittee are brexit-supporters, who knows, that would explain all.

     

    Ok, enough criticism. maybe they can try to improve this next year....

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  14. Posted

    All in all solid list. I would suppose 12-13 hits this year.

    But for my taste again some unspectacular names like Sandy Gall, Gord Downie, Gay Byrne. Quite possible that they are well known in UK, but certainly not worldwide. I mean, they even dont have a wiki-entry here in Germany...on the other Hand they have renounced some big names like Chirac, Chuck Berry, Doris Day, Kissinger....but anyway

     

    I am also surprised that Colin Meads or Mario Soares were not included, in my Point of view two certain deaths this year?!

     

    What I like is the selection of Rockefeller, Pope Benedikt, Akihito and Hugh Hefner! Well done :hatsoff:

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  17. Posted

    For 2016 I had 16 out from 50, so 4 better than DL,

    Attached my personal DL 2017

     

    1. Hosni Mubarak
    2. Rev. Billy Graham
    3. Mario Soares
    4. Kirk Douglas
    5. Nobby Stiles
    6. Fats Domino
    7. Helmut Kohl
    8. Valerie Harper
    9. Tommy Chong
    10 Jimmy Carter
    11 Herman Wouk
    12 George W. Bush sen.
    13 Prince Philip
    14 Dick van Dyke
    15 Shannen Doherty
    16 Robert Mugabe
    17 Charles Aznavour
    18 Peter Sallis
    19 Mary Tyler Moore
    20 Doris Day
    21 Glen Campbell
    22 Joseph "Joe" Jackson
    23 Olivia de Havilland
    24 Vera Lynn
    25 Jacques Chirac
    26 Nicholas Parsons
    27 Joost van der Westhuizen
    28 Stan Lee
    29 David Rockefeller
    30 Colin Meads
    31 Doug Ellis
    32 Chuck Berry
    33 Pierre Cardin
    34 Javier Perez
    35 Tony Bennett
    36 Abu Bakr al Baghdadi
    37 Bruce Forsyth
    38 Michael of Romania
    39 Lord Carrington
    40 Henry Kissinger
    41 I.M.Pei
    42 Hugh Hefner
    43 Jimmy Snuka
    44 Leslie Philips
    45 Jake Lamotta
    46 Jerry Lewis
    47 Daisy Berkowitz
    48 Michael Anderson
    49 Stephen Hawking
    50 Angela Lansbury

     

    Happy new year to all of you!

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  20. Posted

    Hey,

    attached this would be my personal Deathlist 2017 at the moment. Incl. some consideration for official DL 2017 :)

     

     

    1. Hosni Mubarak
    2. Billy Graham
    3. Murray Walker
    4. Kirk Douglas
    5. Nobby Stiles
    6. Fats Domino
    7. Helmut Kohl
    8. Valerie Harper
    9. Tommy Chong
    10 Jimmy Carter
    11 Herman Wouk
    12 George W. Bush sen.
    13 Prince Philip
    14 Dick van Dyke
    15 Shannen Doherty
    16 Robert Mugabe
    17 Charles Aznavour
    18 Peter Sallis
    19 Mary Tyler Moore
    20 Doris Day
    21 Glen Campbell
    22 Joseph "Joe" Jackson
    23 Olivia de Havilland
    24 Vera Lynn
    25 Jacques Chirac
    26 Nicholas Parsons
    27 Joost van der Westhuizen
    28 Stan Lee
    29 David Rockefeller
    30 Colin Meads
    31 Doug Ellis
    32 Chuck Berry
    33 Pierre Cardin
    34 Javier Perez
    35 Tony Bennett
    36 Abu Bakr al Baghdadi
    37 Bruce Forsyth
    38 Michael of Romania
    39 Lord Carrington
    40 Henry Kissinger
    41 I.M.Pei
    42 Hugh Hefner
    43 Jimmy Snuka
    44 Leslie Philips
    45 Jake Lamotta
    46 Jerry Lewis
    47 Daisy Berkowitz
    48 Michael Anderson
    49 Stephen Hawking
    50 Angela Lansbury

     

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