RoverAndOut
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41 minutes ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said:I might be over 60 years too late but I've just started watching Dad's Army, I've put on a couple of episodes every night for the past few days and I've completely fallen in love with the show and all it's characters, to say it's got a timeless charm is probably an understatement. I should probably get a more relevant taste in TV though.
Often gets shoved on here if we're killing time at the right point in the evening (usually on around 7pm on Gold). Seen most of them multiple times but now and again come across one I'm not familiar with. The humour is timeless and the characters are great. A few years ago, Gold made a "making of" drama about Dad's Army called "We're Doomed" about how it came about, which was very good too. I'm 35 and it still makes me laugh out loud. Classics are always classics.
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Very sad, I can't pretend to know him well but I've seen his posts around these parts since my lurking days. From those who knew him better, it's clear that we've lost a good one. Rest in Peace, Cat.
As for former regulars, did we ever get a definitive answer as to whether Magere Hein is simply off grid or no longer with us? An eminent source of calm and reason that is sorely missed.
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1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:It's already an interesting morning.
Sunak flailing about hopelessly on Trevor Phillips' show. Both he and now Philp on Laura K have talked this morning about the money they are putting into the NHS. Now I well recall the Tories' complaints that all Labour did was throw money at a problem, when what was required was efficiency and cutting waste. But look, the Tories are now throwing money at the NHS! And look at the state of it!
Can't believe they've let Philp back out of the box after his Congo cock-up on Question Time the other night! Is he the only minister willing to shill for the government now?
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28/04/2024
45 Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor +4
40 Gorillaz — Feel Good Inc.37 Wheatus — Teenage Dirtbag
34 Manic Street Preachers — Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
32 Kylie Minogue — Love At First Sight
28 Adele — Chasing Pavements
28 Mark Ronson ft. Amy Winehouse — Valerie
26 Coldplay — In My Place
22 Razorlight — Somewhere Else
20 Oasis — Stop Crying Your Heart Out
18 Kylie Minogue — On A Night Like This
14 Pink — Get The Party Started
14 Coldplay — Speed Of Sound
09 Kelis — Trick Me
07 Busted — Year 3000 -6
06 Corinne Bailey Rae — Put Your Records On
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3 hours ago, TQR said:Dan Poulter has defected from the Tories to Labour.
Sorry, but this does not sit right with me. I know Poulter is standing down at the GE anyway and not seeking reelection, but if it has taken him this fucking long to realise that the Tories are disgusting then frankly Labour should be telling him to fuck all the way off. Short term or not, the fact they've allowed him to sit in their name is not a good look. I know it has been done before but sweet fucking Christ, look at how sickening the Tories have been over the last four years in particular, and Poulter stayed? Nahhh he can get straight in the sea.
Accept your point of view, but it's a massive PR disaster for the Tories. For him to quit for your nearest rivals and say you don't care about public services and he should know because he's in one - how do you counter that argument? "He's wrong" - well, how exactly Rishi? He's been in your party throughout this parliament, he's sat in your meetings, he's listened to your policies. He's also worked in the NHS, seen how it's suffering and knows what you've done it. I'd say there's very few people better qualified to comment on the shitshow you're running than a doctor who's a Tory MP. Plus you don't turn down another vote on your side in the Commons. Majority reduces again by 2...
GIVE US A FUCKING ELECTION RISHI!
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27/4/24
40 Gorillaz — Feel Good Inc.
37 Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor
34 Manic Street Preachers — Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
33 Wheatus — Teenage Dirtbag
28 Adele — Chasing Pavements
28 Mark Ronson ft. Amy Winehouse — Valerie
28 Kylie Minogue — Love At First Sight
27 Oasis — Stop Crying Your Heart Out
26 Coldplay — In My Place
22 Razorlight — Somewhere Else
20 Coldplay — Speed Of Sound
18 Kylie Minogue — On A Night Like This +4
14 Pink — Get The Party Started
13 Busted — Year 3000 -6
11 Corinne Bailey Rae — Put Your Records On
09 Kelis — Trick Me
Haven't voted yet today. Some of the best ones have already gone, so got to have a think where my votes are going (think I know which one I want to win though).
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Just now, TQR said:Alonso went to Renault in 2003. Double WDC with them by the end of 2006. He then went to McLaren in 2007, the year you claim they had the fastest car on the grid. Look how competitive Aston's car has been for him. Three good moves there. Ferrari will only be Hamilton's second move and we still don't know if it'll pay off or not.
Alonso was managed by Briatore, he was always going to Renault, and they weren't actually that competitive in 2001/2002 (although they proved to be in 2003 admittedly). The move to McLaren was well-timed, but he ran into Hamilton and we all know what happened next. Couldn't stay at McLaren, so moved back to Renault, but they were on the decline - still managed 2 wins though (the first in very controversial circumstances it turned out). Moved to Ferrari, regular frontrunners, who had nearly won the title in 2008 and were as likely as any to get to grips with the new regulations that Brawn and Red Bull had taken advantage of, but for much of his time there he was outperforming the car. Should have won the title in 2010, got stuck behind Petrov in Abu Dhabi. The fact he came so close in 2012 in a car that was probably 5th fastest on the grid was astonishing. 2 more uncompetitive years, so moved to McLaren - looked like an exciting move - the return of McLaren-Honda! Except the Honda engine took ages to get up to speed and, once it did (with Red Bull), McLaren discovered their aerodynamics were shit too, which is why the car was so slow, whatever Alonso tried to do. Went away and won Le Mans, had half a shot in his first year at the Indy 500 too until his car broke. Came back to Renault/Alpine who rarely gave him a front-running car, just the odd podium (plus helping his teammate win in Hungary by holding Hamilton up). The move to Aston Martin has definitely been a success, but it's not put him in a race winning car (yet), just a competitive car (his team cost him the win in Monaco last year, despite what he says). He's one of the best drivers on the grid and has been for 20 years and he hasn't been in a title-contending car since, arguably, 2010 or a race winning car since 2014.
Just now, TQR said:My respect for Fernando Alonso is boundless, but you could tell that, riding high off his two titles, he could not take the fact that the newbie was at least as quick as him.
Agreed. He went to McLaren as undisputed Number 1. Lewis was quick enough to refuse to accept that. Ron Dennis thought "Oh no, not again" and dealt with it about as well as he dealt with Prost and Senna.
Just now, TQR said:Reaching there. It was a fiercely competitive season. The McLaren wasn't a dominant car.
Ok, not dominant but certainly title-contending. For all the competitiveness (and I have a lot of fondness for 2008, it was a great season, although I'd have preferred it if Glock had stayed ahead to the line and Daddy Massa hadn't been told to stop celebrating), Kubica won one race all season, Raikkonen (defending champion) didn't win after the 4th race of the year. It essentially came down to Massa v Hamilton - Lewis got more poles than anybody and won 5 times to Massa's 6 (although Lewis finished ahead of him in Belgium only to be penalised). And he was comfortably winning the title before the rain in Brazil.
Just now, TQR said:<Lots of the middle bit was an admission that Hamilton managed to keep his head in the face of fierce competition where many others didn't, which is a credit to him rather than his luck>
He was (is?) an excellent driver, but he was fortunate to be in the class of the field throughout that period. He was a better driver than Rosberg throughout their time together and Mercedes were a much more professional outfit than Ferrari in the battles between Hamilton and Vettel (Vettel went off the boil too).
Just now, TQR said:Bollocks. At Silverstone, Verstappen picked the outside line but they were alongside each other; the corner belonged to neither of them. Look at the footage, you'll see Verstappen attempt to cut across the front of Hamilton whose hands you can see keeping as tight as possible to the apex. Verstappen drove like a dirty piece of shit all year, highlights of which include Monza and the brake test at Jeddah. Masi et al fiddled the Safety Car procedure at the end. That season will always have an asterisk by it, and that's that.
Watched the on board multiple times over the years, Hamilton had room on the inside and was never ahead of Verstappen, Verstappen took the line of the corner, Hamilton was never going to get through there (Verstappen on the outside could carry more speed). Coming in from that tight an angle, Hamilton always knew he'd drift out, he was always going to have understeer and that would take him into Verstappen - he clearly decided if contact happened it happened (he was well behind in the championship, so what's he got to lose?). There's a great video from a guy on Youtube dissecting it (he's very fair, did brilliant videos - he's stopped now for some reason - and doesn't entirely support my point of view, but certainly lays out the facts pretty clearly) which is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVOLoPzfrE
Verstappen couldn't care less if there's an asterisk, and I was just glad to see something different after 6 titles in 7 years.
Just now, TQR said:I'm hopeful for the future. It'll be close. I'm a lifelong McLaren fan though so I'm hoping the current trajectory continues despite Ferrari setting themselves up brilliantly with Hamilton and Newey.
We were promised closer racing last year and Red Bull won 21 out of 22 races. Admittedly, take Red Bull out of the equation and it was a thrilling season, and this season is similarly shaping up to be exciting. But it's no good being close if there's one team taking the top 2 spots most races, certainly if they're not even a close match for each other. My favourite four seasons off the top of my head are 2003 (Schumacher v Raikkonen v Montoya), 2008 (Hamilton v Ferrari v Kubica), 2010 (10 leadership changes over the course of the season, Vettel led only once - after the final race) and 2012 (7 winners in the first 7 races and the season continued similarly). All of them you had no idea who would win on any given weekend. For the past decade we've known either a Mercedes was probably going to win or (now) a Red Bull is likely to win. The best races are usually the ones where that doesn't happen. I, too, have loved McLaren since the days of Mika Hakkinen and it's been painful how far they've fallen, but with Norris and Piastri, they've got a great base and Andrea Stella has made a huge difference. Hope the upgrade in Miami can put them a bit closer. As for the future, we'll find out soon enough - still lots to be decided as to who's where first!
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1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:I've held my wheesht long enough.
Let me make it clear that I am no fan of Yousaf. While the SNP have done great things, they now seem to be directionless and unfocused on what matters to folk. Scrapping a target on climate change was quite simply wrong and tone deaf. Essentially following the Westminster line - Scots didn't vote for a party which mirrors Tory policy.
However, Douglas Ross has always been an opportunist. A man who will never be First Minister of Scotland and a Tory calls for Yousaf's head for doing what the Tories have done at Westminster. Puzzled? Not really - with local elections in other parts of the UK, there's nothing better for them than the media obsessing what is happening in Scotland. It won't help Sunak et al, but I'm frankly amazed at the airtime this sucks up by national media.
Meanwhile, Labour Sarwar jumps on the bandwagon, calling for the Scottish Government to fall entirely, sensing that Labour could seize Scotland and the Westminster Parliament in the same year. I feel that move is unlikely to succeed. But a sense of both major Westminster parties putting party above people. Neither of these parties are proposing what they would do better or describe a vision for the Scots - just a hatred for the party currently in power.
They should be careful. Minority government is the norm up here - wresting control of Scotland on a minority could lead to such confidence votes becoming the norm. And that could end up destroying the Scottish Parliament in its entirety.
Scoundrels all, admittedly, but a pathetic sideshow to what is coming May 2nd.
I forget that minority rule was meant to be the norm in the Scottish Parliament. When the SNP managed a majority in 2011, it was seismic and what led to the independence referendum. Can't see how Yousef survives, he's pissed everybody off and nobody's going to save him. The SNP as a whole I think could survive, as I suspect the Greens won't back Labour's motion of no confidence in the government. So another First Minister and an attempt at minority rule, and some kind of confidence and supply deal with the Greens. As for 2026 (is that the next parliament elections?), it will depend on many things: the performance of the Labour (hopefully!) government in Westminster, the SNP scandals around Peter Murrell and co., the performance of Yousef's successor and the simple fatigue of having the same party in power for - at that point - 19 years and counting. We shall see what happens next week.
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29 minutes ago, TQR said:It’s odd, this view that good things always just happen to him. That’s not the case. His time at McLaren saw success but he by no means had a dominant car for any of that. His gamble to go to Mercedes paid off within 2 years but not all of his career there was easy; he fended off Britney and Sebastian from 2014-19 with his nerve and his consistency, not his luck. And now look: he spent that sham 2021 season getting crashed into or fucked over by those in charge and he might as well have had a Unimog the last three years. The only time he’s been a lucky bugger really is 2019/20. Two years of his eighteen so far in F1. Newey being part of the team will help, but with Red Bull where they are, McLaren on their trajectory and Aston with their facility investment, Ferrari's success isn't by any stretch a foregone conclusion.
Charles is the best qualifier on the grid and it’s not even close, but race-wise, I don’t think he’ll stack up to Lewis. Carlos might’ve done, though.
He's the opposite of Alonso: Alonso usually picks the wrong time to join a team, Hamilton always seems to be there at the right time. 2007, while competitive between McLaren and Ferrari, that McLaren was the best car in the field, it was only the rivalry between Alonso and Hamilton that cost them, and it's still ridiculous to me that they both ended up one point shy of Raikkonen. 2008 should have been more comfortable than it was, although it was exciting early season as I recall with Kubica and the 2 Ferraris in the mix (Massa just missing out in the end). But, even then, he was cruising to the title in Brazil until the rain shower and then should have lost it, only to overtake Glock on the final corner. The 2009 McLaren was a dog, but development still meant it ended up as a race winning car by the end of the season. 2010-2012 the McLaren was a race winner but he was put under pressure from Button - wasn't there a season he was in a great championship position and his engine blew in Korea? 2010 there were 5 in it going into the final couple of races, of which Hamilton was one. He then took what seemingly looked like a risk by letting Lauda lure him to Mercedes for 2013: they'd won 1 race in 3 seasons. He joined and they flourished, McLaren took a nose dive. 2014-16 was an increasing Mercedes procession, and while Nico kept Lewis honest, realistically he wasn't in the same league. He knew he got lucky in 2016 and then retired before it could return to Lewis. 2017 and 2018 saw Lewis well clear of Bottas and now having to worry about Ferrari, but Ferrari were hopeless when it really mattered, either the drivers or the team snatching defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again (Raikkonen and Vettel taking each other out in Singapore anyone?). 2019 and 2020 was a breeze. By 2021, Red Bull had caught up to a point, but Lewis should have won that one as well probably (I'm not relitigating the season again: in my view Verstappen was taken out by Lewis at Silverstone, Verstappen took Lewis out at Monza, Lewis gained an advantage at the start in Abu Dhabi that was never given back, and then was robbed due incorrect procedures at the end). 2022 to 2024, Mercedes have gone off the boil, but it has somewhat proven the point that talent only takes you so far: had Alonso, Leclerc, Norris, maybe even Ricciardo in the mid-2010s been in the works Mercedes, they would almost certainly have won multiple championships. Instead, they've been up against the might of the Silver Arrows and been swept away. No denying the Red Bull is currently even more dominant than that Mercedes, but it's an interesting question how much Lewis can still do, as he's undoubtedly struggled in the Mercedes, even in competition with Russell. That said, I fully expect him to be a race winner for Ferrari.
In terms of the closest challengers to Red Bull in the next era, you have to put Ferrari at the front: the only team since the end of 2022 to beat Red Bull, and they've done it twice (so they're obviously getting rid of the guy that did it...). Add Adrian Newey's influence into the mix, and surely they'll be there or thereabouts if not next year, the year after. Without Newey's influence, it will be interesting to see how Red Bull develop going forward. You just have to look at Newey's track record: at March he turned a midfield team into a team who could lead grands prix (they should have won in France in 1990 or 1991 if their engines had held out). Moved to Williams and put them back in the mix for titles for the first time since the late 1980s - should have won in 1994 (Schumacher crashing into Hill), did win in 1996 and 1997, by which time Sir Frank had made the monumental mistake of falling out with him so he moved to McLaren. The result was back-to-back championships and multiple further race wins, albeit McLaren couldn't cope with the might of Schumacher and Ferrari (nearly won in 2003 with Raikkonen though). Joined Red Bull in 2005: the change of regulations for 2009 saw Red Bull go from midfield team to race winners and they nearly pipped Brawn and Button to the title. They then dominated for the next 4 years. Then Mercedes took up the mantle, but another set of regulation changes and he's back on top. What happens soon? More regulation changes. He's incredible. I hope I'm wrong, and I genuinely hope we can see a really competitive top 10 as you suggest, but history shows us one team ends up getting it more right than the others and that team sweeps all before it more often than not.
In summary, I think Hamilton's reputation for being lucky is down to joining Mercedes as they became a title winning team and leaving McLaren as they dropped way back - until Ricciardo won in Monza a couple of years ago, they hadn't won a race since Button in 2012! The concern is that he's done it again now, leaving Mercedes who can't rediscover their form and joining a competitive but not dominant Ferrari just as they put all the pieces in place. Time will tell.
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1 hour ago, TQR said:According to Pete Windsor, a friend of Newey's who worked with him at Williams, he has turned down the offer from Aston Martin. As I suspected, we're just awaiting confirmation now but it appears he's Ferrari-bound.
So Lewis comes up smelling of roses again.
Double figures for championships unless his decline has truly set in and Charles can benefit instead.
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7 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said:There is still the matter of the title
Ah, who cares you're up either way!
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44 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said:You have to love a good Leeds United capitulation.
Mighty Foxes back where they belong
On 01/10/2023 at 13:49, RoverAndOut said:The 3 teams that have Enzo Maresca haven't got a chance of winning. Sat at Ewood Park and Leicester are going to walk the Championship this season.
As I predicted in October, albeit you had the good grace to make it interesting by threatening to collapse!
Congratulations Biblio, now if you could see fit to throw 3 points our way next weekend, I'd be most grateful. 
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17 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:As opposed to the roaring sucesss of the privatisation of British Rail is........
Funny how other countries' nationalised rail networks are efficient, cheap and no less reliable than ours. We already own about a third of the network because they have to keep taking franchises off their fat cat mates who couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. Might as well go the whole hog and make it official.
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I hope Newey goes to Aston Martin. I desperately want Alonso to have a realistic shot at race wins again, as I'm certain he can still do it. Is Mercedes an exciting prospect to Newey? Probably not. Ferrari would be more interesting due to their history and prestige. But, as I said before, Aston would offer him the chance to build up a team into title contenders for the 4th time (after Williams, McLaren and Red Bull - I know the first 2 were successful before him). Surprised Audi aren't making a play for him too, he could turbocharge their entry.
I'm uncertain about all this hype about Audi. New manufacturers rarely hit the ground running. Toyota didn't win in 8 years of F1. Mercedes took 3 seasons before their first win and 5 before their first championship. Audi do have good motorsport pedigree, but F1 is a different animal and breaking the hegemony of the big boys is not easy, and there's so many teams fighting just behind Red Bull already: Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Aston Martin. Add Audi into the mix and we could have 6 teams fighting it out, which, if they're relatively equal, could be thrilling, or we could end up with Noah's Ark, 2 by 2 by 2 - no wonder they're talking about points down to 12th.
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Just now, TQR said:Yeah, the guy in the Threads clip said something about that.
Haven't watched it yet. I will do.
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Just now, Toast said:No, they don't. It's perfectly possible to stand still without fidgeting and waving your hands about.
It is. But do we want to see presenters standing still, with their arms by their sides? It looks unnatural. If they're cropped from the chest up, then fine, but otherwise I'm fairly certain it would very quickly become weird. Maybe we'd get over the weirdness and it would become normal with time. But movement maintains focus and concentration. I'm not saying they need to do drastic movements or move all of the time, I fully agree time and place and leaving room for emphasis. The point I was making is in the past, they got away with it by having them hold a microphone. Now their hands are idle. Sometimes they get around it by getting them to walk somewhere, like down a high street, or along a bridge.
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Just now, Toast said:At some point it became obvious that news reporters and presenters had been instructed to move their hands continually.
It's very annoying and distracting, and the result is that they have nothing left to express emphasis when it's needed.
They used to be occupied by holding a microphone, but now it's all lapel mikes, they've got to do something with their hands.
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26/4/24
28 Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor
27 Wheatus — Teenage Dirtbag
27 Gorillaz — Feel Good Inc.
26 Manic Street Preachers — The Love Of Richard Nixon
26 Mark Ronson ft. Amy Winehouse — Valerie
25 Kylie Minogue — Love At First Sight
24 Daft Punk — One More Time
24 Adele — Chasing Pavements
22 Coldplay — In My Place
22 Busted — Year 3000
20 Coldplay — Speed Of Sound
20 Plain White T’s — Hey There Delilah
20 Oasis — Stop Crying Your Heart Out
20 Pink — Get The Party Started
20 Razorlight — Somewhere Else
20 Manic Street Preachers — Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
18 Kylie Minogue — On A Night Like This
14 Kelis — Trick Me
13 Justin Timberlake — Cry Me A River
12 Jeff Buckley — Hallelujah
10 Corinne Bailey Rae — Put Your Records On
8 Dido — White Flag +4
8 Taylor Swift — Love Story -6
6 Kate Nash — Foundations
Going about as badly as it could be right now.
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9 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:Holy fuck
The look on Wes Streeting's face.
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I'm not sure what he thought would happen. On the 6 o'clock news, they said he'd war-gamed a vote of no confidence, so presumably thought he could win it, but once he'd royally stuck two fingers up at the Greens, there was very little incentive for them to support him. At that point, he was at the behest of Ash Regan, and, at best, could limp on with a tie. Very strange. If he thought it would look decisive and strong, he vastly overplayed his hand.
If he lost the vote, a new election would have to be called I think? (Can anyone confirm?) So resignation would be the only option, to allow a new First Minister to be sworn in. Presumably, if Neil Gray (or anyone else for that matter) could not win a confidence vote, the election would happen anyway - and that would depend on whether the Greens were satisfied with their pound of flesh by getting rid of Yousef and then back Gray (is he from the SNP supporters of the Bute House agreement or the SNP opponents who were cockahoop this morning? That could be the deciding factor).
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The gift that keeps on giving. Private Eye again.
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1 hour ago, Surprise Demise said:Shit's really hitting the fan in Scottish politics at the minute with the collapse of the SNP-Green coalition. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-68901088
Greens have announced they'll vote in favour of the vote of no confidence. That means 64 votes in favour (assuming all Labour, Lib Dem, Tory and Greens do as told) and 63 votes against (all the SNP). A tie would result in the presiding officer casting the deciding vote in favour of the status quo. So it all rests on the last MSP - Ash Regan, former SNP MSP, stood against Humza for the leadership after Nicola stood down and now a member of their fierce rivals Alba. Good luck, Humza!
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1 hour ago, Sleepiestpeep said:I suspect the 08-09 songs are at a disadvantage here because we're all sick of them...
Also, the ones we put through were, on the whole, shite.
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51 minutes ago, TQR said:Pffft. Placeholders now have a 5-minute life span. Will write a rule (into the intro post that no sod reads)
Put posting on my break. Waited through my break while @AstroKat didn't post. Then went to my next lesson. Will try again now at lunch when nobody is posting. (Watch this be gazumped before I've posted.
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25/04/24
24 Mark Ronson ft. Amy Winehouse — Valerie
24 Daft Punk — One More Time
24 Sophie Ellis-Bextor — Murder On The Dancefloor
21 Busted — Year 3000
21 Wheatus — Teenage Dirtbag
21 Justin Timberlake — Cry Me A River
21 Kylie Minogue — Love At First Sight
20 Coldplay — Speed Of Sound
20 Kylie Minogue — On A Night Like This
20 Plain White T’s — Hey There Delilah
20 Manic Street Preachers — The Love Of Richard Nixon
20 Kelis — Trick Me
20 Oasis — Stop Crying Your Heart Out
20 Pink — Get The Party Started
20 Coldplay — In My Place
20 Razorlight — Somewhere Else
20 Adele — Chasing Pavements
20 Corinne Bailey Rae — Put Your Records On
20 Manic Street Preachers — Your Love Alone Is Not Enough
20 Gorillaz — Feel Good Inc.
20 Jeff Buckley — Hallelujah
14 Taylor Swift — Love Story
14 Kate Nash — Foundations
14 James Morrison ft. Nelly Furtado — Broken Strings -6
12 Dido — White Flag +4
Political Discussions And Ranting Thread
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I agree, I fail to see how he gains from this. He seems to think the Tories are in line to form the government, but the Scots won't let that happen. Surely SNP flip votes will go to Labour, Lib Dems or Greens. A few maybe to Alba if independence is the be all and end all, but Salmond is persona non grata among many in the SNP. The question is can whomever takes over from Yousaf command the confidence of the Parliament? I suspect the Greens will come back on side to prop them up but isn't that what one wing of the SNP wanted to end in the first place? (Admittedly this would likely be confidence and supply, not coalition).