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If there are any large vats of lemon-juice handy, go drown yourselves in them. Imagine the majority of the world would cheer., Cat O'Falk, and C. It's a wonder we waited until 1775 to break away from you clods. I suggest "The Battle of New Orleans" by Johnny Norton for listening pleasure, creepos. It still seems apt today. What a waste of time, and pretty much everything else limeys seem to be.

As I understand it, creeps, the pro-Independence Party won THIS year's elections in Scotland, so the issue's hardly going away, I think. Go ahead, hang on to areas like Northen Ireland, try to relive past glories - the days of Empire are OVER, baby- get used to it. Count me as another who would just as soon let you clowns handle the next war in Europe on your own. You seem to think you can handle it, jerk-off just fine..., so handle it, then. It's really no skin off the collective nose of the US if the Russian Federation eventually annexes Europe or not. What difference does it matter that we re-built Europe after the war? Apparently, not a bit, it would seem. Many of us might even laugh like hell to be blunt, as with "friends" like your arrogant ass-holes, well, need I complete it? No one will stab you in the back faster than a lemon-sucking Britisher. Hope you sobs like Voda.a lot. PS with any luck, some nasty virus willcome out of the Mid-East, and work over YOUR collective candy-asses.

Yes, well, Assassin, I'm reasonably-certain Americans consider themselves Americans whatever state they're from, or places such as Guam, etc. Until Wales and Scotland become independent, that will probably remain the case. I do understand the Scotts have a movement underway to possibly do just that - if so, more power to them, I suppose. As for Northern Ireland, why not pack up and go back across the channel? I do consider the Irish Irish btw, Northern Ireland notwithstanding. You should've given Bel.

Thanks to Deadsox and Magere Hein for some support; as I have suspected, the vast majority here are way too young to know much about that era (or in some cases, too apathetic to care, it would seem). Assuming some of your relations were, indeed, veterans of the War, it seems unquestionable that their DNA got lost in the transition somewhere to judge from your comments. As for, you Spade-Cooley, really, now? I wonder how well English & French, etc., al would have done with out help, jerk? I'll be sure to keep it in mind, in any case. BTW, I suppose no English soldiers never fucked( or perhaps more correctly, raped) women in lands conquered by the former British Empire? Yeah, that's what I thought. Be sure to underline "former. As far as "mosquitos raping midges" goes, well, I think my comments about the former British Empire running roughshod over assorted near-defenseless people in Africa, Australia, etc., etc., pretty much falls in the same category of hypocrisy, fellow. Incidentally, it seems that North Korea indeed is on its way to a hydrogen bomb, and perhaps ICBMs capable of going in directions other than towards the US west coast. Since the UK was an ally during the Korean War, i wouldn't be quite so smug about that fellow, if I were you, for I doubt if they have forgotten it given the god-worship they devote their lunatic leaders there. Let's see what stupidity you can come up next with, or you, maybe, Spade-C

I hate to put in an insult for the sake of an insult, but charon seems like a prize-jerk no matter what his nationality might be. A schoolyard bully too, perhaps? I recall plenty of those, unfortunately, and this guy often sounds like one to a "t." Lots of smart remarks, but little to back them up. Regrettably, jerks are an annoying fact of life as he has so amply proven on multiple occasions during this little feud.

Let me just say that nobody is glorifying war here, charon's incorrect statements aside. I saw it's effects on my own family, and if what he's saying is reasonably close to the truth, he should have too, unless his own relations were remarkably fortunate. There is a good deal of anger in the US today over various issues between the left, the right, and those of us who like to try and stay relatively in the center, 'though I certainly count myself as a progressive type. It has been suggested in the last several years by some that we should withdraw from NATO and tend more to our own problems which Bush Jr's regime made so much worse. Given that Putin is expanding Russian influence again, i would think most anybody in the EU would certainly hope we stay around, and don't decide to let you "go it alone." Many here would just as soon we exited NATO for whatever popular sentiment is worth. This election promises to be one of the most interesting in the US in a number of years, and major changes to foreign policy quite possibly hinge on the outcome, some of which Europe generally probably won't care for much. Soidiers don't get to pick which war or area of service they get sent into, of course; maybe everybody here should keep that in mind. We owed France a tremendous debt at the birth of the USA, it is quite true, but I believe that can be counted as paid in full for some years now.

I'm well aware of that the US got off relatively lightly as far as KIA numbers go, goes, Sir C; regardless around 60% of the D-Day invasion force was made up of US troops. This can be easily checked - I'm not patting myself on the back or anything about it, really, but guys like charon seem ingrates at best. Juts how much China contributed to Japan's defeat is open to debate, I would think, as Japan still occupied a considerable portion of it at their surrender. Do you honestly think you "guys"(i.e., everyone else) could have won w/o the aid of the US? Had Hitler been somewhat more stable mentally, von Braun's rocket program would have been advanced enough to hit just about anywhere had he left them to their work, and not constantly interrupted them. A true ICBM wasn't far off when the war ended in Europe as I do imagine you know, Sir C. You seem to enjoy a fine standard of living, people; unless bitterness over the loss of the Empire is at the root of much of this, I see few reasons to "down" Americans so much. I hardly need to remind anyone of how much harm the British Empire did to various people's at its peak, I imagine as well. Along with the French, the Dutch, etc., etc. If there's any truth at all to the alternate Earth's theories, world probably do exist where the war ended with an Axis victory, and I'm reasonably certain none of us would wish to live there, correct? Quantum Physics is well beyond me, granted, but what of it I can grasp seems to indicate these places do exist somewhere - be glad this world isn't one of them. I would add that my own father's life was more or less shattered by his war time injuries, so attitudes like those expressed by charon in particular are hard to take. A little gratitude instead would be nice. As noted, life under Stalin wouldn't have been a hell of a lot better than under the Nazis.

How about 5 guesses, charon? To judge from your apparent stupidity, it probably would take you that long to guess correctly. It seems you are one of those boneheads who seem to think the terms "patriot" and "progressive" cannot go together. Get with the program, fellow. My Great x 5 Grandfather helped gain victory over Cornwallis at Yorktown btw. Wonder who the foes of freedom were then? Yes, he was there to witness the English surrender in disgrace, defeat, and humiliation something you should be well-used to be this time, I would think. No comment on "you guys" running like hell from the Japanese, I see, also. What a surprise. You did prove to be great at throwing in the towel in the Pacific, I grant you that much. Why not try some lye soap soaking baths; might get that yellow streak off your back -- but I doubt it. PS- how many lemons do you eat per day? Then again, I suppose somebody has to keep the citrus industry going. Not all all ashamed my family fought in both World Wars; I suspect the same couldn't have been said of you, mush-spine, had you been around in those days. No doubt you're exactly the sort of bum who spit on and threw trash at our returning troops in the 1970's. Hell, find any US solider and smart-off to him like you do from the safety of this site - I would be more than delighted to have photos of you in your body cast.

Congratulations on a hit, DeathList - it's official. Vigoda passed as the news is reporting here & there. I remember him fondly and will miss the old boy. RIP. You gotta'admit, Abe was a handsome one, for sure.

I thought I was through with charon, here, but in looking over his moronic comments, I can't resist adding some important points. Being as you are so near France, why not ask how much "fun" they had during the Nazi occupation, numb-skull? I imagine a Soviet occupation of Europe,with the UK included, of course, would be about as much for you, fellow - perhaps including a cost-free move to Siberia. There has been the suggestion of lease-fee increases in our "occupation" of So. Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. al, depending on who wins the US Presidency, charon; you may be looking at a doubling or tripling of said base-fees. Trust you're looking forward to more pounds going to the US, pal. Without ourselves to counter-balance the former Soviet Union/current Russian Federation, they would have gone through Europe like the proverbial hot knife through a stick of butter- you know it, I know it, and most anybody with any active grey matter knows it. I can assure any and all they wouldn't hesitate to do whatever it took which u seem to get so much pleasure out of slandering the US over for past wars. I suspect you wouldn't even want to think of what would've happened to the Royals under such a situation. Are you really this dumb? I tell you, buddy, I really wish you would find a US Navy seal and tell him some of the b.s. you have posted here. A good deal of time to think about it all in the hospital no doubt - if you can think, which I am starting to seriously doubt. Cheers.

"50 for 2017" 1/Ed Ames/2/Kaye Ballard/3Orson Bean/4James Caan/5William Christopher/6Dabney Coleman/7Mike Connors/8Michael Constantine/9William Daniels/10Gloria DeHaven/11 Bruce Dern/12/Angie Dickenson/13Bradford Dillman/14/Keir Dullea/15/Rhonda Fleming/16/Jane Fonda/17 Lou Ferrigno/18Jane Fonda/19Elliott Gould/20Shecky Greene/21/Barbara Hale/22Florence Henderson/23 Hal Holbrook/24Conrad Janis/25Anne Jeffreys/26Sally Kellerman/27 Patricia Laffan/28 Gavin MacLeod/ 29 Lee Majors/30 Dorothy Malone/ 31 Barry Manilow/ 32 David McCallum/33 Yvette Mimieux/ 34 Terry Moore/35 Kim Novak/36 Hugh O'Brien/ 37 Nehemiah Persoff/ 38 Joyce Randolph/39 Doris Roberts/40 Jill St. John/41 George Segal/42 Tom Skeritt/43 David Soul/44 Connie Stevens/45 Patrick Stewart/46 Larry Storch/ 47Kathleen Turner/48 Frankie Valli/49 Burt Ward/50 George Wendt.

No, I didn't have Sheila Sim on any list, "Lord;" I just found it a rather obvious candidate the Committee overlooked (among several others). I do have some suggestions for 2017; Lou Ferrigno - all those steroids have played havoc with him at times over the years as he has acknowledged himself. Florence Henderson of The Brady Bunch maybe? She seems sharp mentally, but is showing her age pretty badly now. I believe I mentioned Joan Lunden somewhere else; she has been fighting cancer for a few years now, though, so a definite possibility there. David Soul, now 74; unsure of his health, but Father time is passing with him also, So, some suggestions"Lord" which I hope meet your satisfaction.

Yes, I do recall something of the Struma disaster. Know this is somewhat off-topic again, but does anybody ELSE have any suggestions about what Charon's problem may be? I think my ideas are pretty close to being on the mark.If he ever runs into any veterans who are somewhat unstable, I hope he enjoys hospital food. More seriously, it wasn't uncommon for children to be wired with booby-traps in Vietnam, among other things. This was one thing which led to the "child-killer" chants of the hippie types in that period. If I had had anything to say about it, I would have said stay out of there, but a moot point, of course. As a fellow from a family who has always answered the call of duty even when we weren't thrilled at the cause at-hand, it wouldn't hurt characters like "c" to learn a bit more respect than he obviously has, all wisecracks aside. In time, he'll run into somebody who won't see any humor in his attitude, I suspect - had he done so in the past, I think he would have a better attitude than what he displays. I would suggest a Krell brain-boost, but one has to have some grey matter to begin with active for that to have any chance of success. One of my own more distant relations won the French Cross of War in World War One; there's more I could say about my personal family history, but think I have made my point here. It would be wasted on the likes of "c" anyway. On to something more pertinent to the matter at hand.

I think I understand now - you're one of these clods who gets his information from ultra far-right sources, it would seem. Protection from the Soviet Union, and it would appear, from just about anything else. I can only recall Argentina as being the only nation the UK has defeated w/o a lot of US help in the last century or so. Not much of a record there, pal. If I had a few extra dollars I would send you a year's supply of Exlax (or the UK version) as it seems a long course of treatment is needed. But hey, why not make it simple - petition to join the US. Mr Cameron seems to be a relatively- competent PM as far as they go - imagine he'd be kept on a Governor or some such. I think somebody is still mighty bitter over the sun setting on the British Empire every 24 hours from 1947 onward - does this fall into the same slot as "We're English - we Never forget a slight?" or some such foolishness? It would seem so. Must be a shame to have to rely on faded glories only.... * Helping dispose of both the Spanish and Ottoman Empires would seem to earn the US some thanks given the centuries of barbarism both practiced.

Just a quick note on the mutilation of deceased enemy soldiers/fighters; is it right? No, of course not. Unfortunately, people tend to go somewhat insane in combat situations - I doubt very seriously if one could find ANY country in the world who did not practice this to some extent. I suppose I could add that if Validmar ever decides to "come calling" from the east, the US could simply withdraw from NATO and leave the defense to the EU. That is something which has been suggested at times here in the States. It amazes me that Europe does not appreciate the protection we have provided ever since 1945 rather than accuse of of being "occupiers." I also do suspect had he not been as sick as he was, FDR would never have agreed to letting Stalin take Eastern Europe. I understand he was little more than an international thug, and a very intimidating person, so he probably was able to push his demands fairly-easily given that FDR was within a few months of dying in late 1944.

I have heard stories of items, let's say, sent back to the US myself from the Pacific; the fighting was particularly bitter and hard there. I understand FDR sent back at least a couple of rather grim personal gifts soldiers sent to him from the Pacific theater. While not approving of certain items taken as war prizes, I suppose one could say, in Vietnam, torture was a way of life for the N. Vietnam as I have heard from way too many veterans. It's difficult to win "limited warfare" which began with Truman in Korea as the North in Vietnam were defeated in every major outright engagement with US forces, but our forces were forbidden from pushing into the north proper. Else, that war would've had a much different outcome, and not lasted nearly as long. For what it's worth, I'm not a supporter of that war, just reporting the facts. At same time, i realize history seems be reported a bit differently in each country. Since Charon seems to think the US is simply another" fascist" power, it's probably better if I simply ignore such people from now on. For whatever this is worth, I think the US would have been justified in retaining all areas re-captured from the Japanese in the Pacific given how much US blood was spilt there, and how many ruined lives came out of it among the survivors as well. As I recall, the English and French both surrendered quickly to the Japanese in China, Indochina, etc. al. BTW, how IS your German anyway, Charon? If not for our help, there's a strong chance you would be speaking that all the time nowadays. I do appreciate those here who have expressed appreciation for the aid the US provided in WW 2, as sometimes, it seems fairly scarce to come by.

I see Landel's death was reported here - sorry. Glad that Cora Combs and "Fantastics" Tommy Rogers were as well - neither were terribly well-known outside of wrestling circles. The passings of Roddy Piper and Dusty Rhodes really overshadowed everyone else who died in 2015. Amazes me that Abdullah the Butcher is still living!

"'Nature Boy" Buddy Landel died last summer @ only 54 a day after being involved in an auto accident. He wrestled briefly in the WWE including a title match with Bret Harte. he was an outright imitator of Ric Flair; the two had a record breaking match in North Carolina way back in 1985. Lendel's most important title was probably the old NWA National Championship title he held for a time in the 1980's. Rumors persist he was to have won the NWA world title from Flair, but had a falling out with the company and soon left. He returned briefly later on when it was WCW, I believe, but made no impact. His death was reported fairly-widely in the US, and may have garnered a small one in the uK.

While on the subject of war generally, I was told the Japanese often had the habit of slicing-off ears, noses, and sometimes more-sensitive body parts,(by my dad who was in So. Pacific) as I imagine the "Ruskies" often did along with the Nazis, too. I imagining that torture of various sorts did go on from all sides at times, but the Japanese have the most infamy for it in the US. As another aside, one of my relations was a US Army Ranger in the 1980's, and often talked about regretting missing out on Bush War No. 1; my dad said he would soon have had a very different opinion if he had seen any extended deployments/and/or action. Perhaps fortunately for the fellow, he had left the Army by time the Gulf War came along and did not re-enlist, I noted, although I kept quiet about this last Or for any of its sequels. More or less speaks for itself, I think. Those most in favor of war always seem to somehow manage to leave it to others, have injuries which "disappear" once the war has ended, etc., etc. "Chicken Hawks" we call them State-side. U can count almost all of the conservatives in our politics as-same. I do give John McCain credit for having put his life where his mouth often is when he was a young man, if not for much else. He is also responsible for bringing Sarah Palin into the national US political scene; I won't comment on THAT save to say I mighty glad it wasn't me who did so.

On actor Alex Karras, he passed at 77 back in 2012 (Allen film When Time Ran Out), although he probably received an obit notice in the UK for the so-so TV series Webster wit later in his career. Karras also wrestled professionally for a time in the 1960's when he was suspended from US football career due to gambling problems. On Martin Milner, he was VERY well-known Statseside as Adam 12 seemed to run on, and on for some years; Route 66 was probably the better series although it is now somewhat obscure. The actual highway Route 66 no longer exists is anybody is curious. There was a good Hal'ween episode of Route.. which featured Lon Chaney, Boris Karloff and Peter Lorre is anybody wants to look this up - it was partly about the actors being concerned that"modern" audiences didn't want their type of horror film any more (what would they think now if still around?) No doubt would have featured Bela Lugosi also had he still been alive. Anyway, Milner also starred in the original William Castle version of the film 13 Ghosts 1961? for those interested - very different from the supposed remake of recent years.

A Japanese Navy Pilot named Nobuo Fujita took off from a submarine and dropped incendiary bombs twice on Oregon earlier in the war before the balloons were tried; his first run caused a fairly-small fire which Forest rangers put out quickly enough. He made his second run, and apparently caused a very small fire a bit later on, which went unnoticed - these fires were generally hard to set because of the dampness of the northwest regions. He died back in 1997, longer ago than I was thinking. The Fugo balloons did kill a family of six on a forest outing who stumbled upon the thing which then detonated in 1945. I believe they are the only known US casualties on the mainland from WW Two. A simple experiment could be carried out regarding US Naval Seals, Charon; find one of these fellows maybe on vacation sometime in the UK, perhaps, go up to the guy and tell him to his face what a candy arse he is. The results should prove interesting, even if it';s an older guy long as he's still in reasonably good health. You do have the famed UK health system there to cover the aftermath which you might well be in some need of shortly- there-afterwards... Not making fun of your health system at all btw - just be a good thing, you realize!* *The Obamacare we have now is more or less a prize for the insurance companies - many people have gotten hardly any good out of it at all. The special interests influence BOTH main parties here to an uncomfortable extent, unfortunately.

For whatever it's worth, I think one of those last Japanese hold-outs who finally went home in the 1970's died within the past two years or so - least, I recall an obituary over here for him. Let's settle on" around 2030" for the date the last US/UK WW 2 veterans dies. For practical purposes, this is probably close to being accurate, anyway. No doubt a relative handful will live to be 107 or 110 or some such extreme age. But yeah, I agree the issue is fudged quite a bit as to who should be counted as such, who shouldn't maybe, and so on. I think the last American veteran of the Spanish War died in 1989 at 106 just if anybody's curious, although one other old boy the next year may or may not have been the literal final one. There was a fire around 1973 which destroyed the records of a vast number of various US veterans of assorted wars going back to the late 1800's, so some of this may always be in a degree of dispute.

Nice one, Sir Creep! It's been a running joke for many years now about premature reports that Abe has died/is dead/has been dead for years, etc. he plays along with good humor with them, it seems. Several cast members of Barney Miller have died for the record. I would have thought he was reasonably well-known at least for The Godfather movies as well as this series in the UK.

Not sure if Charon was trying to be clever or what, but a # of the US "double veterans" from WW 2/Korea are/were older guys to begin with, along with the somewhat younger ones. A few "triple veterans" are left from WW 2/Korea/Vietnam, but obviously, not a great many of them. About 300 US Vietnam veterans die each day i understand, but keep it in mind that with the military draft laws of the time, most of them hadn't much choice about being there. Unless maybe somebody like Dick Cheney who "had better things to do," I believe was basically the response of his as to why he missed-out on Vietnam, but had no problem sending others to war. If one's number came up, it was go to or flee the States usually to Canada. Unsure how many in the UK are aware of this, but President Carter pardoned almost all of the draft dodgers early on in his administration, something which was quite unpopular at that time.

It's a good thing that Germany collapsed when it did - I have heard it rumored the first a-bomb was meant for Berlin had not the war in Europe ended when it did. On the Kamiikaze pilots, I have heard stories they were given a drug to help steady the nerves, although given their fanaticism, this probably wasn't needed most of the time, I imagine. I think there was one Japanese pilot who tried to set the forests ablaze in Oregon by dropping "fire bombs," which wasn't that bad a plan, destroy wood supplies, etc., really, but it failed due to the dampness there most of the time. I think he did a book about it -- maybe I Bombed America? Don't know about Seals' toughness - the US ones have a reputation for being real bad-asses. From my father's stories about his training (in the Army), it was a rough sled-ride, and I wouldn't be shocked if standards have been eased considerably since his day. He did tell me about some downright brutal punishments that were meted-out if one got out of line very much back in 1940's.