John Key

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berniece_Baker_Miracle The source on wikipedia is more than unreliable about Berniece Baker Miracles death. If anyone knows anything else or if it's been talked about before, I'd be interested

Jean-Louis Trintignant theoldlady 7+1 John Key 7+1 earl 1+1 Doulton 1+1 wannamaker 7+1 Salmon Mousse 5+1 MariNisia 4+1 Book 10+1 Annami 3+1 Death Duke 3+1 TQR 6+1 jonnythegamemaster 5+1 Nick 4+1 The Daredevil 7+1 gcreptile 6+1 _floydylan_ 4+1 Book 11/50 theoldlady 8/50 John Key 8/50 wannamaker 8/50 The Daredevil 8/50 gcreptile 7/50 TQR 7/50 jonnythegamemaster 6/50 Salmon Mousse 6/50 six feet blunder 5/50 Nick 5/50 MariNisia 5/50 _floydylan_ 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Hell 4/50 Pop_Zeus 4/50 Death Duke 4/50 Annami 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 2/50 Doulton 2/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 Redrumours 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50

Billy Bingham TQR 5+1 Book 10/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 7/50 The Daredevil 7/50 gcreptile 6/50 TQR 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 Salmon Mousse 5/50 six feet blunder 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Hell 4/50 _floydylan_ 4/50 Pop_Zeus 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 3/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 Redrumours 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50

Boris Pahor six feet blunder 4+1 Pop_Zeus 3+1 Annami 2+1 Book 10/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 7/50 The Daredevil 7/50 gcreptile 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Salmon Mousse 5/50 six feet blunder 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Hell 4/50 _floydylan_ 4/50 Pop_Zeus 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 3/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 Redrumours 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50

And may this be your first of many points! Hurrah. Is the Paul Henry in your list the NZ broadcaster?

Today I learned 2 people = many of us! Lester Piggott six feet blunder 3+1 Redrumours 0+1 Book 10/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 7/50 The Daredevil 7/50 gcreptile 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Salmon Mousse 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Hell 4/50 _floydylan_ 4/50 six feet blunder 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 Redrumours 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50

Good question, I had this discussion before when it's came up - if they were just famous for being old I would disallow it under the rule of "Candidates cannot be famous solely for the fact they are likely to die imminently" In issues where this is the case, your first listed sub will come in handy. I think it's really the only rule I've enforced so far

I've been seeing Prince Charles' sausage fingers making the rounds on Reddit. His feet look equally as bad. Theories of total heart failure, too much salt, gout, water retention keep getting made in the thread. I couldn't possibly comment further.

George Perez wannamaker 6+1 Salmon Mousse 4+1 Book 9+1 The Daredevil 6+1 gcreptile 5+1 _floydylan_ 3+1 Book 10/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 7/50 The Daredevil 7/50 gcreptile 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Salmon Mousse 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Hell 4/50 _floydylan_ 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

I can still see him reaching into his 90's But personally, I'm going to include him with a permanent place alongside Benedict XVI in my lists. I wasn't aware of some of his health conditions mentioned on the first page in the thread, and he doesn't look fantastic.

I started compiling a list of the dead / point changes on the first page below the scoreboard, my logic being if anyone wanted to check on the dead / any score changes they could do it in one place The dead: Gary Burgess: John Key 0+1 Theoldlady 0+1 MariNisia 0+1 Book 0+1 Annami 0+1 gcreptile 0+1 Igor Bogdanoff Book 1 + 1 jonnythegamemaster 0 + 1 _floydylan_ 0+1 Joan Copeland markb4 0+1 Sidney Poitier Bibliogryphon 0+1 earl 0+1 Theoldlady 1+1 The Old Crem 0+1 Hell 0+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 0+1 MariNisia 1+1 Annami 1+1 dimreaper 0+1 Death Duke 0+1 TQR 0+1 jonnythegamemaster 1+1 Nick 0+1 The Daredevil 0+1 _floydylan_ 1+1 Robert Durst markb4 1+1 Salmon Mousse 0+1 Jana Bennett theoldlady 2+1 Hardy Krüger Etushispushingupdaisies 1+1 Book 2+1 The Daredevil 1+1 Barry Cryer Pop_Zeus 0+1 Lata Mangeshkar John Key 1+1 Russell Bishop Book 3+1 gcreptile 1+1 wannamaker 1+1 Leonard Fenton TQR 1+1 jonnythegamemaster 2+1 The Daredevil 2+1 Christos Sartzetakis wannamaker 0+1 John Key 2+1 Monica Vitti arghton 0+1 Nick 1+1 The Daredevil 3+1 Mustafa Kayirici Book 4+1 Nightbirde Nick 2+1 Gail Halvorsen gcreptile 2+1 Sister Catherine Wybourne gcreptile 3+1 Shirley Hughes Bibliogryphon 1+1 Mike Mora Book 5+1 Vic Elford wannamaker 2+1 TQR 2+1 John Chapple Gooseberry Crumble 0+1 Tom Parker Theoldlady 3+1 wannamaker 3+1 The Old Crem 1+1 Salmon Mousse 1+1 Book 6+1 Death Duke 1+1 TQR 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 3+1 Nick 3+1 Miguel Van Damme Book 7+1 Estelle Harris Main Deathlist 2+1 John Key 3+1 Theoldlady 4+1 MariNisia 2+1 June Brown Main Deathlist 3+1 six feet blunder 0+1 Theoldlady 5+1 Doulton 0+1 wannamaker 4+1 Hell 1+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 2+1 MariNisia 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 4+1 Miranda lass 0+1 Nehemiah Persoff six feet blunder 1+1 markb4 2+1 Dying Probably 0+1 Pop_Zeus 1+1 Hell 2+1 Tom Smith theoldlady 6+1 John Key 4+1 wannamaker 5+1 The Old Crem 2+1 Salmon Mousse 2+1 Gooseberry Crumble 1+1 Book 8+1 Death Duke 2+1 TQR 4+1 Larry Holley _floydylan_ 2+1 Ron Stander Gooseberry Crumble 2+1 Jack Higgins The Daredevil 4+1 Michel Bouquet The Daredevil 5+1 Art Rupe six feet blunder 2+1 John Key 5+1 Pop_Zeus 2+1 Guy Lafleur Salmon Mousse 3+1 Mwai Kibaki Hell 3+1 John Key 6+1 Liz Sheridan gcreptile 4+1

Guy Lafleur Salmon Mousse 3+1 Mwai Kibaki Hell 3+1 John Key 6+1 Liz Sheridan gcreptile 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 John Key 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 gcreptile 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Salmon Mousse 4/50 Hell 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

Charles will be the next monarch of the UK for 5-10 years, William for a few decades after him Revolution for New Zealand is my preference, but that's against the nature of the poll, so I voted for the poor old softie, Charles.

Art Rupe six feet blunder 2+1 John Key 5+1 Pop_Zeus 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 John Key 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Pop_Zeus 3/50 six feet blunder 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

A bunch of french sources saying he is est mort, checks out! Michel Bouquet The Daredevil 5+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 The Daredevil 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

Jack Higgins The Daredevil 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 The Daredevil 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

Ron Stander Gooseberry Crumble 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 _floydylan_ 3/50 Gooseberry Crumble 3/50 Annami 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

I liked this discussion. I feel mixed about the name which is why I wanted it to happen. Based off of my first post, he doesn't reach a lot of criteria (not obiting in a major newspaper, no wikipedia page, only tied to a well known celebrity). However, he's not just some nobody, so I'm going to give the point. This is a line from my first post, which implies how my rules are just so an absolute nobody doesn't make it through the cracks. Buddy Holly was a huge sensation to the point where he is still relevant today I will try and be pretty relaxed on these and use discretion, but family members of yours/local nobodies are the reason why I'm not just saying that all names will count if they die. Larry Holley _floydylan_ 2+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 Annami 2/50 _floydylan_ 3/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 Gooseberry Crumble 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

I'm likely to give the point for this, I'm just going to wait a small amount of time incase if anyone else has an opinion. Arguments for it: Famous enough (e.g. not a nobody) https://kfyo.com/larry-holley-older-brother-of-buddy-holly-passes-away/ Argument against: There is a more famous Larry Holley that has a wikipedia page (the one that just died doesn't) Not mentioned in a major news source, only on twitter and the one I linked

Nehemiah Persoff six feet blunder 1+1 markb4 2+1 Dying Probably 0+1 Pop_Zeus 1+1 Hell 2+1 Tom Smith theoldlady 6+1 John Key 4+1 wannamaker 5+1 The Old Crem 2+1 Salmon Mousse 2+1 Gooseberry Crumble 1+1 Book 8+1 Death Duke 2+1 TQR 4+1 Book 9/50 theoldlady 7/50 wannamaker 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 TQR 5/50 John Key 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 markb4 3/50 The Old Crem 3/50 Death Duke 3/50 Salmon Mousse 3/50 Hell 3/50 Annami 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 Pop_Zeus 2/50 Gooseberry Crumble 2/50 six feet blunder 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 arghton 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

So many elderly have just blinked and all of a sudden we're a digital world. It must be like not even being apart of the world, sometimes. Good on her for being open to continuing learning.

June Brown Main Deathlist 3+1 six feet blunder 0+1 Theoldlady 5+1 Doulton 0+1 wannamaker 4+1 Hell 1+1 Etushispushingupdaisies 2+1 MariNisia 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 4+1 Miranda lass 0+1 Book 8/50 theoldlady 6/50 jonnythegamemaster 5/50 wannamaker 5/50 Main Deathlist 4/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 John Key 4/50 MariNisia 4/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 3/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 Hell 2/50 earl 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 six feet blunder 1/50 Doulton 1/50 Miranda lass 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50

Estelle Harris Main Deathlist 2+1 John Key 3+1 Theoldlady 4+1 MariNisia 2+1 @jonnythegamemaster This is your sub1, was there any reason why this should be on your main list? (e.g. someone you selected died before 2022 or was ineligible for being only famous for being old?) I had a quick scroll through your list and didn't see Betty White or anyone I recognised for that purpose! Book 8/50 theoldlady 5/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 jonnythegamemaster 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 wannamaker 4/50 John Key 4/50 Main Deathlist 3/50 MariNisia 3/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 earl 1/50 Hell 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 Doulton 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50

Miguel Van Damme Book 7+1 Book 8/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 theoldlady 4/50 jonnythegamemaster 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 wannamaker 4/50 John Key 3/50 Main Deathlist 2/50 MariNisia 2/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 earl 1/50 Hell 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 Doulton 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50

I can't believe I took Tom Parker off my list I thought he was in remission and was doing well Tom Parker Theoldlady 3+1 wannamaker 3+1 The Old Crem 1+1 Salmon Mousse 1+1 Book 6+1 Death Duke 1+1 TQR 3+1 jonnythegamemaster 3+1 Nick 3+1 Book 7/50 The Daredevil 4/50 gcreptile 4/50 theoldlady 4/50 jonnythegamemaster 4/50 Nick 4/50 TQR 4/50 wannamaker 4/50 John Key 3/50 Main Deathlist 2/50 MariNisia 2/50 Annami 2/50 markb4 2/50 _floydylan_ 2/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50  Bibliogryphon 2/50 The Old Crem 2/50 Death Duke 2/50 Salmon Mousse 2/50 earl 1/50 Hell 1/50 dimreaper 1/50 Pop_Zeus 1/50 arghton 1/50 Gooseberry Crumble 1/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 Doulton 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50