John Key

Welcome to the land of the points! Joan Copeland 0+1 markb4 Book 2/50 theoldlady 1/50 John Key 1/50 MariNisia 1/50 Annami 1/50 gcreptile 1/50 jonnythegamemaster 1/50 markb4 1/50 Main Deathlist 0/50  Bibliogryphon 0/50 arghton 0/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 earl 0/50 Doulton 0/50 wannamaker 0/50 The Old Crem 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 Hell 0/50 Salmon Mousse 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 Death Duke 0/50 TQR 0/50 Nick 0/50 The Daredevil 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50

Igor Bogdanoff 1 + 1 Book 0 + 1 jonnythegamemaster Book 2/50 theoldlady 1/50 John Key 1/50 MariNisia 1/50 Annami 1/50 gcreptile 1/50 jonnythegamemaster 1/50 Main Deathlist 0/50  Bibliogryphon 0/50 arghton 0/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 markb4 0/50 earl 0/50 Doulton 0/50 wannamaker 0/50 The Old Crem 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 Hell 0/50 Salmon Mousse 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 Death Duke 0/50 TQR 0/50 Nick 0/50 The Daredevil 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50

Some Redditor said it was just minor maintenance from a stab wound in 2018. As a fellow internet user, I feel it is my right to pass on these words that I in no know anything about.

16!

Gary Burgess died on the afternoon on the 1st of January, making it the first death that I'm aware of - I wanted to discuss my reasoning (and this made me put the time everyone posted on the masterlist, in inconvenient-for-everyone-else NZ timing). I'm also new to this so wanted to start by sharing scores, but I might not be so active in changing the scoreboard "live" as time goes on. Scored with Gary Burgess: John Key Theoldlady MariNisia Book Annami - posted their list at my 5:46AM, which is before midnight British and well before the afternoon. gcreptile - made me think. Their post would have been in the British afternoon, right when he was dying. It wasn't announced straight away. A little bit of sleuthing through their profile found Gary Burgess was in one of their DDP lists, I think. I didn't look much deeper to see if gcreptile had posted any other lists. I'm of full mind to give gcreptile the point, @gcreptile just for paperworks sake did you have Gary Burgess posted on any other lists submitted earlier than the afternoon of the 1st? I don't think your answer will change me giving you the full points for this, but it might look better! theoldlady 1/50 John Key 1/50 MariNisia 1/50 Book 1/50 Annami 1/50 gcreptile 1/50 Main Deathlist 0/50  Bibliogryphon 0/50 arghton 0/50 DieHardGiantsFan 0/50 six feet blunder 0/50 markb4 0/50 earl 0/50 Doulton 0/50 wannamaker 0/50 The Old Crem 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 Hell 0/50 Salmon Mousse 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 Death Duke 0/50 TQR 0/50 jonnythegamemaster 0/50 Nick 0/50 The Daredevil 0/50 Miranda lass 0/50

I remember getting that, thanks for the reminder, that slipped through the cracks!

Could I put her as candidate 10 and push anyone else that would impact up?

For transparency and for them to all be in one place, here are the PM's I got: (not including gooseberry crumble, who posted right above!) I'll be adding the teams I haven't to the masterlist momentarily! Book Ady Barkan (sub for Betty White) Benedict XVI Betty White Bill Turnbull Billy Turner David Graham Deborah James Estelle Parsons Françoise Hardy Frank Field Fritz Pleitgen Fritz Wepper Gary Burgess George Alagiah George Pérez Gianluca Vialli Hardy Krüger Helmut Berger Henry Kissinger Igor Bogdanov Ingrid van Bergen Iris Apfel Jake “The Snake” Roberts James Whale Jean-Louis Trintignant Joe Kinnear Katharine, Duchess of Kent Khaleda Zia Linda Nolan Liselotte Pulver Loretta Lynn Margot Eskens Marianne Faithfull Martin Walser Miguel Van Damme Mike Mora Mikhail Gorbachev Mustafa Kayirici Nana Mouskouri Natalie Kwadrans Olivia Newton-John Pelé Rainer Langhans Rob Bolland Rob Burrow Rolf Eden Russell Bishop Shannen Doherty Susie Steiner Tom Parker Tom Smith --> another one has gone on Dec. 31: Billy Turner So I put in Nigel Starmer-Smith instead. wannamaker subbing Martti Ahtisaari for Betty White (or the other way round, english is hard) Salmon Mousse Queen Elizabeth II Frank Field Pope Benedict XVI Bob Barker Barbara Walters Tom Smith (rugby) Larry Pressler Rob Burrow Dame Clare Marx George Perez (comic book artist) George Alagiah Constantine II Milos Zeman Yoko Ono James Whale Robert Durst Tim Keller Antonio Inoki Ted Turner Jean-Louis Trintignant Linda Nolan Shannen Doherty Tom Weiskopf Pele Doddie Weir Susie Steiner Jerry Lee Lewis Khaleda Zia Francoise Hardy Sacheen Littlefeather Bernadette Chirac Luis Echeverría Doyle Brunson Zhu Rongji Bill Hayden (Aussie politician) Violeta Chamorro Tom Parker (boybander) Guy Lafleur Parnelli Jones Jeanette Lee Bill Turnbull Bobby Caldwell Robert Blake Jimmy Carter James Watson (Nobel winner) Carmen Sevilla Anita Pointer Olivia Newton-John Ella Jenkins Angela Lansbury SUBS Félicien Kabuga Willie Nelson Bob Newhardt

I understand - in any other situation that would have been some luck! The next person I would include as a sub would be Khaleda Zia

I am mildly annoyed with the timing of Betty White's death, might wait a day before major renovations - but all your first sub will count unless otherwise specified! Feel free to request anything through comments Timing isn't of the essence with this one anyway - late submissions are welcomed, late edits/changes are considered to a point! All people that PM'd me will be added to the masterlist at the same time as I put everything else into motion. Good luck all, and happy new year!

Would my first sub of Gary Burgess be perfectly fine? Betty White had good comedic timing up til the end!

That's perfectly fine, send it whenever you want - deaths may only count after you submit it though Thanks for your interest

You can change a little bit if you want

Oh, nope! I'll only be including the list you submit here and won't be cross-checking lists in that way! Because of the laxness of the rules, I'm barely checking them as is I'm sure you have your reasons for making the two lists different!

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but most things in this forum I would just say yes to. The rules are just there as a precaution to make sure people are submitting at least somewhat famous people to be fairly compared with other teams, any further discussion might be had when someone un-famous dies and maybe someone wants it challenged!

Oh, thanks for the @! That would probably be because I did it as a sheet file instead of an excel file (a common problem I forget about with apple versus microsoft) I'll fix it now

I submitted on the 2021 page first, how embarrassing. Here's my list! Sacheen Littlefeather (Joker) Queen Elizabeth II Ryan O'Neal Tom Smith Henry Kissinger Bill Turnbull Betty White Anastasia Zavorotnyuk Frank Field Jean-Louis Trintignant James Whale Gary Burgess Lata Mangeshkar Khaleda Zia Christos Sartzetakis Miloš Zeman Valentine Strasser Pauline “Granny Smith” Kana Julie Walters Mwai Kibaki Josip Manolić Estelle Harris Raúl Castro Berniece Baker Miracle Derek Draper Bob Barker George Alagiah Jimmy Tarbuck Giorgio Napolitano Liza Minnelli Leslie Phillips Jean-Marie Le Pen Barbara Walters Jiang Zemin Susie Steiner Luis Echeverría Marsha Hunt (Hollywood) Imelda Marcos Jimmy Carter Pope Benedict XVI Art Rupe Rowshan Ershad Queen Beatrix Kaikala Satyanarayana James Lovelock Irene Papas Kat Bjelland Jacques Delors Rosalynn Carter Pelé Subs: Dick Van Dyke Angela Lansbury Nichelle Nichols

I'll give this a go! 1. Luis Echeverría 2. Khaleda Zia 3. Christos Sartzetakis 4. Miloš Zeman 5. Valentine Strasser 6. Mwai Kibaki 7. Josip Manolić 8. Raúl Castro 9. Giorgio Napolitano 10. Jean-Marie Le Pen Subs 1. Jiang Zemin 2. Salman of Saudi Arabia

Eek 2021. My bad Congrats on a successful year!

Here's my List! Anastasia Zavorotnyuk Berniece Baker Miracle Betty White Bill Turnbull Christos Sartzetakis Derek Draper Estelle Harris Frank Field Gary Burgess Henry Kissinger James Whale Jean-Louis Trintignant Josip Manolić Julie Walters Khaleda Zia Lata Mangeshkar Miloš Zeman Mwai Kibaki Pauline “Granny Smith” Kana Raúl Castro Ryan O'Neal Sacheen Littlefeather (Joker) Tom Smith Valentine Strasser Subs Bob Barker George Alagiah Jimmy Tarbuck

Here's my list of people, mostly of people I just learned about making this list and doing some quick 'research'! This was a fun one to look into 1. James Lovelock 2. Art Rupe 3. Marsha Hunt 4. Berniece Baker Miracle 5. Josip Manolić 6. Betty White 7. Philippe de Gaulle 8. Loretta Ford 9. Peter Lloyd 10. Kenneth McAlpine 11. John Cruickshank 12. Leo Marx 13. Marita Camacho Quirós 14. Ma Shitu 15. Marian Fuks Subs: Betty Rowland Stanisław Kowalski Dagny Carlsson

Hello! 1. Sacheen Littlefeather 2. Tom Smith 3. Ryan O'Neal 4. Henry Kissinger 5. Bill Turnbull 6. Betty White 7. Anastasia Zavorotnyuk 8. Frank Field 9. Jean-Louis Trintignant 10. James Whale Subs Gary Burgess Lata Mangeshkar Khaleda Zia

Hello! Ryan O'Neal Tom Smith Sacheen Littlefeather (Joker) Henry Kissinger Bill Turnbull Betty White Anastasia Zavorotnyuk Frank Field Jean-Louis Trintignant James Whale Gary Burgess Lata Mangeshkar Khaleda Zia Christos Sartzetakis Miloš Zeman Valentine Strasser Pauline “Granny Smith” Kana Julie Walters Mwai Kibaki Josip Manolić Subs Estelle Harris Raúl Castro Berniece Baker Miracle

I've never heard of those three - but a quick google of each of them shows that they aren't nobodies! I don't consider what I know to be a criteria, they're clearly famous There's undoubtedly some that would moan about picks like that if it was on the main Deathlist, but I'm not one of them right now

I tried to unbold it! It didn't let me unselect bold so I just said fuck it! For the second meaning, I'm proud of every name on my list this year and could defend each one, but not the list as a whole So many oldies Your signatures will do! I'll paste it onto the 'master list'