John Key

You provided 4 subs with Pervez as your highest sub, and they would move up as appropriate. If a sub passes away I will usually just tag you to make that argument at the time rather than constantly moving everyones names up. On your points for Lucile Randon, what was the subject matter of her wikipedia page and several documentaries? Was it only her advanced age? If it wasn't about her advanced age, was she made famous from them? You can make this argument and defend your pick if you think that she is famous enough in her own right outside of her advanced age.

Just been on holiday so haven't been paying much attention to this forum, coming back soon Under the rules and guidelines: Candidates cannot be famous solely for the fact they are likely to die imminently - this includes people famous only for their advanced age. Probably the rule I would be strongest on. I don't believe Lucile Randon would be famous for anything other than her advanced age.

2022 Shadow DeathList Competition Big note: Please don't challenge individual names on someones list when they post. When a celebrity dies, this discussion can take place then. This is more of a "everyone who already makes a normal Shadow DeathList should come and submit this here anyway" kind of thing, to explain the motive of this competition and why the rules are generally relaxed. To enter: Have a list of 50 celebrities chosen by yourself, for their likelihood to die in 2022. Candidates must be famous enough that their death is confidently expected to be reported by any countries media On the issue that someone isn't famous enough, I have no idea how to deal with that. Adding strict rules and limitations doesn't seem very cool though, because I want people to feel comfortable posting their normal Shadow DeathList. Candidates cannot be famous solely for the fact they are likely to die imminently Candidates may submit their list any time from September 2021 to December of 2022 of 50 names + 5 subs. Post your list here to enter, there's no stress in posting it by January 1st if you're ultra-competitive with keeping your names a secret Names on the scoreboard will only count AFTER you submit your list. If you submitted your list on the main Shadow Lists Forum or another similar forum late this may be taken into consideration. (If you submit a list in February of 2022 without having had posted it elsewhere, deaths occurring in January aren't going to count) Things to keep in mind about any person you choose: Are they likely to obit in a major newspaper? Are they a well known celebrity? Do they have a Wikipedia page in any language (that clearly wasn't made just for Deathlisting) You will not be asked to prove any of these when you post your list, but upon your candidates death you may need to meet some of these criteria. I will try and be pretty relaxed on these and use discretion, but family members of yours/local nobodies are the reason why I'm not just saying that all names will count if they die. A rough guideline that I don't follow is to probably try and pick names that the "main" DeathList may also pick. Scoring System: One death = One Point Making this early to take criticism of making this, suggestions, and to give me time to think of necessary rules. The inspiration for creating this comes from wanting a clear place to compare how my Shadow List does to the main DeathList. Anyone else that wants this for any reason is welcome to join and post their list below at a reasonable time. It is a valid criticism to say that the lack of rules may affect the quality of names or the formality of this deadpool. Some people already make a Shadow DeathList and I want this to be a place where we can compare them. For 2022, at least, I won't have formal rules on names. Being reported in the newspaper and having a Wikipedia Article that isn't a stub will go a long way.

That's more than perfectly fine - and generally automatic I'll move Scales up on your list so that it's easier and there's no question when I adjust the scoreboard. First major death with 30 hits, congrats everyone who's got a hit I will try and keep a good log of deaths so any mistakes I do can be easily fixed - the numbers of entries has almost doubled from last year and I'm trying a new system. Gianluca Vialli Doorslammer 0+1 Book 1+1 Diego 0+1 gcreptile 1+1 philip 0+1 Grimgrass 1+1 _floydylan_ 0+1 Nick 0+1 Death Duke 0+1 Murdoc, Hell, MariNisia, MrShadrak, The Daredevil, The Old Crem, CaptainChorizo, Thatcher 0+1 BuffaloPhil, tracy, Redrumours, wannamaker, TQR, 0+1 Famous6Eva, theoldlady, Windsor 1+1 DeathBecomesThem, Dying Probably, Clarence, LizLemon 0+1 Scoreboard: theoldlady 2/50 Grimgrass 2/50 Book 2/50 gcreptile 2/50 Famous6Eva 2/50 Windsor 2/50 six feet blunder 1/50 Bibliogryphon 1/50 Doorslammer 1/50 diego 1/50 philip 1/50 _floydylan_ 1/50 Nick 1/50 Death Duke 1/50 Dying Probably 1/50 Clarence 1/50 LizLemon 1/50 DeathBecomesThem 1/50 Redrumours 1/50 wannamaker 1/50 TQR 1/50 BuffaloPhil 1/50 tracy 1/50 MrShadrak 1/50 The Daredevil 1/50 The Old Crem 1/50 CaptainChorizo 1/50 MariNisia 1/50 Hell 1/50 Murdoc 1/50 Thatcher 1/50 TheSpinosaurus 0/50 ThereWillBeDeaths7 0/50 When The 0/50 Khthonia 0/50 Charles De Gaulle 0/50 earl 0/50 Joltin Joe 0/50 ladyfiona 0/50 Steve 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 markb4 0/50 LWCZ 0/50 WEP 0/50 Torva Messor 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Johnnas 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 MortalCaso 0/50 John Key 0/50 TheKestrelofDoom 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 Brad252 0/50 Zsa Zsa's leg 0/50 polar duck 0/50 jonnythegamemaster 0/50

I allow late entries in good faith. When I looked into it I found the same thing! I'd open up conversation about an early year death again. Frank McGarvey Book 0+1 gcreptile 0+1 Famous6Eva 0+1 Windsor 0+1 Scoreboard: six feet blunder 1/50 Bibliogryphon 1/50 theoldlady 1/50 Grimgrass 1/50 Book 1/50 gcreptile 1/50 Famous6Eva 1/50 Windsor 1/50 TheSpinosaurus 0/50 ThereWillBeDeaths7 0/50 When The 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Khthonia 0/50 Charles De Gaulle 0/50 Clarence 0/50 LizLemon 0/50 earl 0/50 Joltin Joe 0/50 ladyfiona 0/50 Steve 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 markb4 0/50 DeathBecomesThem 0/50 LWCZ 0/50 WEP 0/50 Torva Messor 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Johnnas 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 wannamaker 0/50 TQR 0/50 MortalCaso 0/50 John Key 0/50 BuffaloPhil 0/50 TheKestrelofDoom 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 tracy 0/50 MrShadrak 0/50 The Daredevil 0/50 The Old Crem 0/50 CaptainChorizo 0/50 MariNisia 0/50 Hell 0/50 Brad252 0/50 Murdoc 0/50 Death Duke 0/50 Thatcher 0/50 _floydylan_ 0/50 Zsa Zsa's leg 0/50 polar duck 0/50 jonnythegamemaster 0/50 diego 0/50

Very likely the case. I will still allow for a period of time for anyone to dispute or discuss (time of death, people inclusion of him)

Frank McGarvey died on the 1st of January. Before I add them to the scoreboard, I welcome discussion about this. Any questions about when he died, if any of these times may be valid/invalid because of entry, or anything else you can think of should be mentioned now. I will also tag the people who have him as a death so that they may defend their point if they would like. Frank McGarvey @Book - 1st January 4:43AMNZST (31st December 3:31PM UK) @gcreptile - 30th December @Famous6Eva - 30th December @Windsor - 29th December I will wait at least a day before adding him to the scoreboard.

Fay Weldon grimgrass 0+1 theoldlady 0+1 six feet blunder 0+1 Bibliogryphon 0+1 Scoreboard: six feet blunder 1/50 Bibliogryphon 1/50 theoldlady 1/50 Grimgrass 1/50 TheSpinosaurus 0/50 ThereWillBeDeaths7 0/50 When The 0/50 Dying Probably 0/50 Khthonia 0/50 Charles De Gaulle 0/50 Clarence 0/50 LizLemon 0/50 earl 0/50 Joltin Joe 0/50 ladyfiona 0/50 Steve 0/50 dimreaper 0/50 markb4 0/50 DeathBecomesThem 0/50 LWCZ 0/50 WEP 0/50 Torva Messor 0/50 Gooseberry Crumble 0/50 Johnnas 0/50 Windsor 0/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 0/50 Redrumours 0/50 wannamaker 0/50 TQR 0/50 Famous6Eva 0/50 MortalCaso 0/50 John Key 0/50 BuffaloPhil 0/50 TheKestrelofDoom 0/50 Pop_Zeus 0/50 tracy 0/50 MrShadrak 0/50 The Daredevil 0/50 The Old Crem 0/50 CaptainChorizo 0/50 MariNisia 0/50 Hell 0/50 Brad252 0/50 Murdoc 0/50 Death Duke 0/50 Thatcher 0/50 _floydylan_ 0/50 Zsa Zsa's leg 0/50 polar duck 0/50 jonnythegamemaster 0/50 gcreptile 0/50 diego 0/50

I put Connie Francis into your 23rd position!

Oh I see, good eye. As long as no information about Connie Francis has been revealed in the last 4 days and she hasn't died, I think it's fair to pass the choice onto you. Would you like Graham Nash to be moved up, or for Connie Francis to be moved into your list? (same criteria Graham Nash, no new info and hasn't died) Ultimately, I feel that my position is to be lenient (within reason) because this is about people using their own shadow deathlists, not necessarily just for some silly, meaningless competition

I have your list as: Gooseberry Crumble 1 Barbara Rush 2. Gena Rowlands 3. The Dalai Lama 4. Nigel Starmer Smith 5. Paco Rabanne 6. Cindy Adams 7. Rolf Harris 8. George Carey 9 Peter Hordern 10. Andrew Parker Bowles 11. Joan Kennedy 12 Valentino 13. Jacqueline White 14. Johnny Mathis 15 Ann Leslie 16. Vera Miles 17. Barbara Edwards 18. Douglas Hurd 19. David Dickinson 20. Dickie Rooks 21. David Steel 22. Robert Redford 24. Billy Butler 25. Erin Pizzey 26. Cissy Houston 27. Donald Wetzel 28. Norman Jewison 29. Queen Sonja of Norway 30. Joanne Woodward 31. Frankie Avalon 32. Jacques Delors 33. Peter Marshall 34. Barbara Taylor Bradford 35. Bill Oddie 36. Denis Sassou Nguesso 37. Jeffrey Archer 38. Bob Packwood 39. Isabel Peron 40. Dick Savitt 41. Dan Rather 42. Roy Hattersley 43. Clarence Thomas 44. Dickie Bird 45. Emir Nawaf Al-Ahmed Al- Jaber Al Sabah of Kuwait 46. Ken Livingstone 47. Bobby Charlton 48. Alex Ferguson 49. Lee Majors 50. Marianne Faithfull Subs Graham Nash Gladys Knight David Crosby Len Goodman Please let me know if there was anything you wanted changed, but it seems like you do have 50 names.

The only problem with that is that it may impact deaths being identified - if you want to keep it that way, you might just want to remind me when someone on your list dies!

OH, you got me - I'll definitely add in another sub. For integrities sake, the next person on my regular list is James whale. Rolf Harris Randy Jackson Anastasia Zavorotnyuk Frank Field George Alagiah Ted Kaczynski Rowshan Ershad Andy Taylor David J. Linden Jonnie Irwin Rhod Gilbert James Whale ^ my new list would be like that with James Whale as my second sub

@Death Impends I would like to keep it simple and move everyone up one, including my subs. My new list would be; Rolf Harris Randy Jackson Anastasia Zavorotnyuk Frank Field George Alagiah Ted Kaczynski Rowshan Ershad Andy Taylor David J. Linden Jonnie Irwin Rhod Gilbert Hope that fits with this, let me know if there's anything else for me to do. So many big deaths at the end of 2022 made Deathlist competitions a bit harder!

That's okay - just post another comment with those fixes and I'll add them onto the masterlist!

Congrats on a good score, and a sneaky last minute point! News articles seemed to be announced on the 1st, but the phrasing seems to be "Pointer died from cancer at her home in Los Angeles on December 31, 2022, at the age of 74." thus being a 2022 death. Nice one! Anita Pointer Salmon Mousse 21+1 gcreptile 23/50 John Key 23/50 Book 22/50 Theoldlady 22/50 Salmon Mousse 22/50 MariNisia 19/50 wannamaker 18/50 Annami 18/50 The Daredevil 17/50 jonnythegamemaster 16/50 _floydylan_ 16/50 TQR 15/50 Hell 15/50 Nick 15/50 Main Deathlist 14/50 The Old Crem 14/50 markb4 13/50 six feet blunder 12/50 Death Duke 12/50 earl 11/50 Pop_Zeus 10/50  Bibliogryphon 10/50 Redrumours 9/50 Doulton 8/50 Dying Probably 8/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 7/50 dimreaper 7/50 Miranda lass 6/50 arghton 6/50 Gooseberry Crumble 6/50 DieHardGiantsFan 3/50

I will do nothing with this instruction, I want you to post your list with these people in it. I don't want to write your list for you. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be with that, if you can't post your list I can't add it to the masterlist. @DoorSlammer private messaged this list for submission: 1. Henry Kissinger 2. Jimmy Carter 3. Rolf Harris 4. Gianluca Vialli 5. Bob Barker 6. Pervez Musharraf 7. Glynis Johns 8. James Earl Jones 9. Bobby Charlton 10. David Attenborough 11. Harry Belafonte 12. Ted Turner 13. Imelda Marcos 14. Liza Minnelli 15. George Alagiah 16. Dick Van Dyke 17. Rosalynn Carter 18. Jean-Marie Le Pen 19. Eva Marie Saint 20. Robert Wagner 21. Andy Taylor 22. Milan Kundera 23. Tony Bennett 24. James Whale 25. Tina Turner 26. Mel Brooks 27. Joanne Woodward 28. Ratko Mladic 29. Shannen Doherty 30. Alan Greenspan 31. Yoko Ono 32. Milos Zeman 33. Gene Hackman 34. King Constantine II of Greece 35. Burt Bacharach 36. Marianne Faithfull 37. Dick Cheney 38. Giorgio Napolitano 39. Patricia Routledge 40. Betty Boothroyd 41. Emperor Akihito 42. Roberta Flack 43. Pope Francis 44. Jacques Delors 45. Prunella Scales 46. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei 47. Raul Castro 48. Jack Nicholson 49. Lindsey Buckingham 50. Kim Novak @gcreptile entered through private message and has posted their own list @diego entered this list through private message: 1 Guido Gorgatti 2 Violeta Chamorro 3 Estanislao Esteban Kalic 4 Renato Aragão 5 Giorgio Napolitano 6 Félix Sienra 7 Brigitte Bardot 8 Wei Wei 9 Bernie Eclestone 10 Josip Manolic 11 Jimmy Carter • 12 Eva Maria Santa 13 Vladimir Putin 14 Shane Mcgowan • 15 Rolf Harris • 16 Jean Marie Le Pen 17 Constantino II 18 Hsing Yun 19 Roberta Flack 20 Vic Seixas 21 Omar Al Bashir 22 John Rhodes (piloto de corrida) 23 Paul Goldsmith (piloto de corrida) 24 Íris Apfel 25 Buzz Aldrin 26 Gianluca Vialli 27 Yuriko (Princesa Mikasa) Dick Van Dique 28 Dick 29 Milão Kundera 30 Leslie Caron • 31 Normando Lear 32 Frank Kitson • 33 Dom Murray 34 Fauja Singh 35 paulo açougueiro vachon 36 Mahathir Mohamad. 37 chen ning yang 38 Tiago Baleia 39 João Bannister Goodenough 40 roger charles louis guillemin 41 Glynis Johns 42 Henrique Alfredo Kissinger 43 Normando Tebbit 44 david attenborough 45 Cleo Laine 46 Harry Belafonte 47 Dave Whelan • 48 Joana Woodward 49 Sandy Gall (Sandy Gall)) 50 Branka Veselinovic Sub 1 Hsing Yun 2 Jorge Alagiah 3 Lee Grant • 4 Ted Kaczynski 5 Shige Mineshiba

Awesome, nothing need be done from you. @Redrumours Please make the appropriate format changes to your list. I really don't want to look at capital letters all year before I move them into my sorting system. @Salmon Mousse Let me know when you have edited your own list with the sub changes that you wanted.

Don't mind me, just getting a bit flustered by this competition being doubled in membership from last year - and my leniency allowing end of year fix-up antics and late entries. Yup! Just fix up your list and repost it as a new comment and I'll put it onto the masterlist. Is this the same as the one you private messaged me 13 hours ago? If it is, then that's fine and I'll just copy that one, but if it is different - please take note of the third comment in this forum for appropriate ways to format your list! Adding columns or anything fancy means that I have to fix it up which I don't want to do.

Waste of a post, ban this man! Wait - you're not a newbie. I regret Rolf Harris, who upon deeper inspection seemed sicker than I thought he would be.

This might be our final scoreboard! Our end of year champions are @gcreptileand John Key I guess rather than an applause, I could suggest we humbly pat ourselves on our backs? Special mention to Book, who lead the game for most of the year until our final December deaths, and everyone who bet the Main Deathlist in getting more than 14 hits. A learning curve, thanks everyone for your patience through the frequent mistakes I made! I enjoyed hosting. I've always considered my shadowlist to be the most important list I make each year, and I thought there was a hole in there not being some kind of Shadowlist competition - even though there are ones that rhyme quite a bit. Any late death announcements or findings may change the scoreboard - but for now this is it! Good luck for 2023, in all regards. gcreptile 23/50 John Key 23/50 Book 22/50 Theoldlady 22/50 Salmon Mousse 21/50 MariNisia 19/50 wannamaker 18/50 Annami 18/50 The Daredevil 17/50 jonnythegamemaster 16/50 _floydylan_ 16/50 TQR 15/50 Hell 15/50 Nick 15/50 Main Deathlist 14/50 The Old Crem 14/50 markb4 13/50 six feet blunder 12/50 Death Duke 12/50 earl 11/50 Pop_Zeus 10/50  Bibliogryphon 10/50 Redrumours 9/50 Doulton 8/50 Dying Probably 8/50 Etushispushingupdaisies 7/50 dimreaper 7/50 Miranda lass 6/50 arghton 6/50 Gooseberry Crumble 6/50 DieHardGiantsFan 3/50

Just edit your list and repost it as a comment and I can slap it onto the masterlist!

I'll add your list to the masterlist. Apologies for the misgender, I should have known by your profile picture! I will replace Bernice Johnson with the Pope on your list. Do you mean Eddie Bernice Johnson? That's the name that came up on google.

At this right your whole list will be dead by the end of 2023! That looks right to me. I'm not sure if I should know what this means

Edited comments will go unnoticed now that I've made the masterlist. Check here the masterlist. Posting your list again would be your best option for having both Arthur Scargill entered and a new sub to be considered.