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Top 10 Oldest EVER Men: 10. Juan Vicente Pérez Mora (Venezuela) Lifespan: 1909-LIVING Age: 114 years & 86 days 09. Tomas Pinales Figuereo (Dominican Republic) Lifespan: 1906-2020 Age: 114 years & 177/184 days (Pending by the GRG) 08. Yukichi Chuganji (Japan) Lifespan: 1889-2003 Age: 114 years & 189 days 07. Walter Breuning (USA) Lifespan: 1896-2011 Age: 114 years & 205 days 06. Horacio Celi Mendoza (Peru) Lifespan: 1897-2011 Age: 114 years & 265 days (Pending by the GRG) 05. Emiliano Mercado del Toro (PR) Lifespan: 1891-2007 Age: 115 years & 156 days 04. João Da Missanga (Brazil) Lifespan: 1908-LIVING Age: 115 years & 161 days (Ongoing Investigation) 03. Christian Mortensen (Denmark) Lifespan: 1882-1998 Age: 115 years & 252 days 02. Jiroemon Kimura (Japan) Lifespan: 1897-2013 Age: 116 years & 54 days 01. Anisio Rodrigues Alves (Brazil) Lifespan: 1892-2009 Age: 116 years & 229 days (Pending by the GRG)
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Picture of Efrain Antonio Rios Garcia from 20 August, 2023
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OMG you obviously didn't read my earlier posts. Calmant was an extreme outlier by 7 years for one, Zak has a mountain of proof that she switched identities with Yvonne, and these are backed up, and Lamichhane is not an outlier. If you want more, read my earlier posts.
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Just in my opinion: Yvonne/Jeanne Calment: 99 years Marie Louise Meilleur: 117 years & 230 days Sarah Knauss: 116/119 years & 97 days (Nikolay Zak published a paper giving a theory on how Sarah Knauss may have been 3 years younger and was only 116 when she died. However, Zak has also published outrageous theories on how Emma Morano wasn't an SC, Jiroemon Kimura was only 111, and how Kane Tanaka and Lucile Randon were both frauds. These theories are absolute nonsense. Zak's theory on Knauss is a bit more believable due to the fact that we would've had 2 women break the bell curve by nearly 3 years in succession. Something that is incredibly rare. He also has actual documents instead of some wild theory supporting Knauss's age as 3 years younger. Still I wouldn't call it true yet, as it's not enough to prove she was actually 3 years younger. Zak did get one fully right, but the rest are just ridiculous.)
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At the time of Jeanne Calment's title as WOLP: (Using the Bell Curve Scientific Method) Oldest woman ever documented: Augusta Holtz: 115 years & 79 days Theoretical Maximum age for women: 118 years & 78 days Jeanne Calment's final age: 122 years & 164 days Houston... we have a problem
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There is a 1903 census which includes a Batuli Lamichhane. There is a January 1934 census which states her age as 30 years, to which if she was born on 23 March 1903, that would match up perfectly (30 years & 10 months). There are newspaper clippings (although I have not seen these, so this could be a lie) from the late 1930s that state her being in her 30s. Her oldest child was born in 1930, and her youngest in 1939 so it's not like she was claiming to have had a child in her 50s or 60s, she would've only been 35/36 at the time she had her youngest child. Now while this isn't concrete evidence that she is the age claimed, it supports it pretty well. I mean how many other Batuli Lamichhanes are there that she could have gotten her identity confused with? I will admit 120 is a very remarkable age, but it's not over the bell curve anymore. Science says it would be near impossible for a person to live 3 or more years longer than the current record holder due to statistics and probability. Something which has never been observed before except in the case of one controversial SC who I will not mention by name due to outbursts that might occur. I'll give you an example of what I mean: Kane Tanaka: 119 years & 107 days Theoretical Maximum age for women 122 years & 106 days Jiroemon Kimura: 116 years & 54 days Theoretical Maximum age for men 119 years & 53 days These theoretical maximum ages only increase when our record is broken. They are just put in place to show that it is near impossible for a future record breaker to live 3 years or more past the previous record holder. If Anisio Rodrigues Alves's age is validated, the new theoretical maximum for men would increase to 119 years & 228 days (Anisio's final age + 3 years - 1 day). Now keep in mind that these are just theoretical maximums, and a person could very well outlive our previous record holder by over 3 years, it's just the probability is so small that it's near zero. Keep in mind this doesn't change the fact that Batuli Lamichhane at 120 years & 150 days, falls within the realm of possibility.
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Personally in my opinion: - Batuli Lamichhane, 120 (03.23.1903): Assuming her age is real (which I believe), she has become increasingly fragile over the past 7-8 years. I think she could break 123 if she's really 120 at the moment, but it would be a miracle. - Maria Branyas, 116 (03.04.1907): She looks healthy but a bit frail. I could see her making it to 117½. - Fusa Tatsumi, 116 (04.25.1907): Really unknown with Fusa. I agree with you that she has been in that state for a few years. However thar is a good sign, that her decline is very slow. I think anywhere between 116.5 and 118 is possible with her. - Edie Ceccarelli, 115 (02.05.1908): She looks healthy and strong, but unfortunately her dementia is a factor in play here. I could see her making it to 116, maybe 116.5. - João Da Missanga, 115 (03.13.1908): He has been extremely frail for a number of years, but this is a good sign that although he looks frail he has no serious health issues. I would say he could make it to 116 maybe 117. - Tomiko Itooka, 115 (05.23.1908): She looked healthy but has had a a decline this past year. 115.5 to 117. - Inah Canabarro Lucas, 115 (06.08.1908): Definitely our strongest 115 year old. I could see her making it to 116 and 117 easily. Possibly 118-119, and she's the only candidate on this list unfortunately who I would say has a chance to make it to 120 or even 121. - Juan Vicente Pérez Mora, 114 (05.27.1909): He looks very healthy for his age but fragile. I'd say he could reach 117. His doctor said last year that with his diet, activity and hygiene he could break Jiroemon Kimura’s record easily. He doesn't take medication, has a good heart, has a big appetite for his age, and can still pull himself out of his wheelchair. - Ethel Caterham, 113 (08.21.1909): Looks very healthy for her age, but I don't know any detail of her current health. I'd say she will make it to 115. - Okagi Hayashi, 113 (09.02.1909): Increasingly frail over these past few years. 114 for her. - Santos Cruz Flores, 113 (11.01.1909): Assuming his age is true, he is in remarkable shape for a 113 year old man. Not only can he walk unaided, but he still does some yard work apparently. It is a bit suspicious at how healthy he is, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'd say he could make it to 115 easily. He's the only male candidate here who look healthy enough to reach 118 or 119, but again his age is unvalidated. - Efrain Antonio Rios Garcia, 113 (04.04.1910): He is looking very frail recently, but apparently can still walk. 113.75.
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Seliman Bandang R.I.P. 21 March 1910/1909 - 19 August 2023 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02BaXbL7xsevfngLsBpNSQHLKhKLoWaaugkR8gX2bDJXHXFHK9gRfXs4sSjVJWf569l&id=100000652523996
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I wasn't sure whether I should post the update on Seliman Bandang, due to circumstances I am not allowed to reveal here, HOWEVER his health status is not on a public Facebook post from what appears to be a Malaysian News Station? Anyway, here's the link https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid09A5pD1MZgadWfFT5GTsrZNFkcAgPs3qURtUXWTaRw5uPW9STdNeisdHPXaCWtHPTl&id=100050231600797
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Seliman Bandang, longevity claimant of Malaysia, in the hospital on a ventilator. He is not doing well.
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Recent updates: - Mr. Seliman Bandang confirmed alive on 9 July 2023. Now claiming a birthyear of 1909 rather than his original claim of 1910. Just lost a lot of credibility. - Mr. João Da Missanga confirmed alive at the age of 115 years & 4 months on 26 July 2023. I think he's definitely a plausible case and should be investigated further. Very frail since around his 115th birthday in March. - Miss. Batuli Lamichhane confirmed alive at the age of 120 years & 4 months on 27 July 2023. Looks about the same as she did when she was 117 in 2020. Frail. Appeared strong in the 2015 update when she was 112. Has a 1934 census and several 1930s newspaper clippings supporting her age. Possible chance of being the age claimed. But each year as she gets older, the statistics in reaching such an age get slimmer and slimmer and the chances of her actually being the age claimed get lower and lower. I thought Maria Gomes dos Reis was plausible when she was 119 but once she 122 I got very skeptical. - Mr. Jose Flores Flores confirmed alive at the age of 116 years & 19 days on 30 July 2023. Seemed healthy and strong until he began a gradual decline around his 114th birthday in 2021. But considering he's survived 2 bouts of covid, a serious urinary infection, and a bad reaction to a certain medicine in these last 2 years, he's doing better than I probably would in my late 20s. He's got a 1907 baptismal certificate and a 1907 census document attesting his age, along with a 95 year old child. Maybe not 116, but I'd say at least 110 if his 95 year old child's age is correct.
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May she rest in peace
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The ones above 110, I'd say 40% The ones aged 111 to 114, I'd say 20-30% The women aged 115 to 116, I'd say less than 5%, but they DO exist. The only men over 115 that I think are true is João Da Missanga and of course Anisio Rodrigues Alves. If there's a 117 year old man who's true, he was probably born after 1900. And there's probably 2-3 women who are 117 and true, 1 maybe 2 women who are 118 and true and POSSIBLY a woman 119 or over that's true. Just my opinion
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Why is nobody talking about João Da Missanga? He was born in Brazil on 13 March 1908, and is considered plausible by the GRG. If his age is true, he may be the oldest living man in the world.
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Robert Young getting banned
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I personally think that our current doyen, Don Juan Vicente Pérez Mora will live to see 117 as for several reasons. 1. His personal physician said last year on his 113th Birthday that he is in good health, with a good heart, and even he said that Juan is a person that will live to see more years. 2. His decline is slower than most other SCs which is a good thing. 3. He is mostly wheelchair-bound. His body remains without having to over-exert itself, and therefore increases his lifespan. (Only applies to SCs, who had longevity in their genes) This also greatly minimizes his chances of falls, or accidents. 4. The statistics are in his favor. One man born around or close to, every decade reaches a new age. 1850s - Turner, 111 1860s - NONE 1870s - Cole, 112 1880s - Frazier, 113 & Mortensen, 115 (makes up for no cases of the 1860s) 1890s - Kimura, 116 (or if Anisio's case is true, it still fits here) 1900s - Mora, 117 (And he's the last verified man from this decade as well) 1910s - Some future man, 118 Now, there's no science behind these statistics, but it is interesting to note. Since Turner reached 111, the longest we've ever gone without having a man reach a new age is 20 years. The 20 year gap was represented by Turner (b. 1856) and Cole (b. 1876). Applying this to Kimura, 116 (b. 1897) the latest we should see a 117 year old man be born is 1917. 1917 + 117 = 2034. However, the average difference between these cases is 11.75 years, or 11 years and 9 months. Judging by this, we should expect a 117 year old man 11 years & 9 months after Kimura turned 116, so in January of 2025. This almost perfectly aligns with Mora's 117th birthday in May of 2026. Of course, the difference is not always going to be 11 years and 9 months, but it's an average based estimate. Just my thoughts, again not backed by science
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I don't know what you mean by Anisio has few fans, but I'm talking about a 117 year old man that is alive today.
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Honestly I agree with that. But the moment I say otherwise, I'll get criticized and called names for it so I've found it better to just keep my mouth shut.
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What if YOU'RE a conspiracy theory???
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What is your opinion on my questions?
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Just a theory
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So much proof, so much proof...
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I wanna hear your opinions on longevity. When do you think we will see a validated 117 year old man? A validated 123 year old woman? Do you think a 117 year old man/123 year old woman exists but just hasn't been discovered yet? Similar to Anisio Rodrigues Alves? Do you think we'll ever see 3 living men in the Top 10 again? Possibly 4? (We had 3 at the time of Yukichi Chuganji, John McMorran, and Joan Riduavets Moll, and then again for Walter Breuning, Horacio Celi Mendoza, and Jiroemon Kimura.) Do you think a man will ever hold the title for World's Oldest Person Ever again, the way Geert Adriaans Boomgaard did? When will we see 2 living women over 118 again, the way we did for Kane Tanaka and Lucile Randon? What will the supercentenarian records and averages look like in 20 years from now? (2043) I think we'll see our first validated 117 year old man on 27 May, 2026 when Don Juan Vicente Pérez Mora celebrates his 117th birthday. As for 123 year old woman, I think by 2062 the latest. If we increase the max life span for women by 1 year at a maximum of 10 years (Excluding Jeanne Calment) we will see a 120 year old woman by 2032, a 121 year old woman by 2042, another 122 year old woman by 2052, and finally our 123 year old woman by 2062. I think it's very possible we had a 117, 118, 119 year old man who hasn't been discovered yet, and is a "male" version of Calment, but I doubt any women older than Calment existed, as Calment is already an extreme outlier. As for 3 living men in the Top 10, that may occur for Juan Vicente Pérez Mora, Efrain Antonio Rios Garcia, and Gisaburo Sonobe. I doubt a man will ever hold the title for WOPE, but I do think we will see 2 118+ women in the next decade. At least by 2042. I predict that in 2043, we will have seen at least one 117 year old man (Juan Vicente Pérez Mora), and possibly our first 118 year old man (Gisaburo Sonobe). I also predict that by 2043, the minimum requirements for Top 10 oldest men ever will stand at 115, and Horacio Celi Mendoza, Walter Breuning, Yukichi Chuganji, Tomas Pinales, and Joan Riduavets Moll will be pushed below 10th place. Either a future man that lived between 115 years & 0 days to 115 years & 155 days will be in 10th place, or Emiliano Mercado del Toro will be. I think Emiliano will be somewhere between place 8 and place 15. I also predict that another future man will live around 116 years and 120-180 days, thus closing the gap between Kimura and Alves. For men, 116 will be as common as 114 is today. And for women, 119 will be as common as 117 is today. The gap between Tanaka and Calment will also be closed with at least one 120 year old and one 121 year old woman validated. Just my thoughts. Let's hear yours...
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My gosh Zak, we get it. Honestly I was interested in your Calment study, but there was hardly any documents translated in English. And The ones that were, are too difficult to understand. Not to mention you talk to your audience like they're scholars who have phds in the subject. I'm just an ordinary guy who's interested in the Calment case. I know language translation can be difficult, but you might get a wider audience if you just translated more of your stuff to English and made it easier to comprehend. And by the way I thought you lost a lot of credibility in your new paper when you said that Kimura could've only been 111. He was without any doubts, 116. Stop coming up with bizarre theories that don't make any sense. Kimura was 116, final word.
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You may joke now, but you'll find out later that I was right... I'll bet one day in the future there will be a worldwide study on fluoride, and you'll see I was correct.