The Pooka

Didn't mention that in his profile at grandprix.com. Mind you, that consists of one line saying he was an 'obscure South American' who drove a Maserati 250F. But who didn't drive a Maserati 250F in the 50s? No history of suicide in my family - the only ones to have even attempted it are a cousin and I. There's a history of mental illness in my father's mother's family, which is not talked about. The best known case being a distant relative, Billy Midwinter, who played cricket for Australia and England. But he died in an asylum at 39. Indeed he did lorro. An interesting story. Played test matches for both England and Australia and was kidnapped by W G Grace. http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/6605.html

I read this to be 230 out of 1000 people with a mental disorder, meaning 23% of the people suffering, not 92% of the people suffering. So if you have 1000 people, 250 will have a mental disorder. 57.5 (don't ask) will go to their physician. 34.5 will get a diagnosis and 4.8 will go a psychiatrist. .99 of a person gets banged up in the psych ward. That sounds high to me, but more in line than the 92% figure. Granted, my experience is in the US and not the UK - since we don't have socialized medicine and we have no way to forcibly commit in most states we have more people who don't get help. Not exactly. Cowboy ronnie was right about 92% of those with a problem going to their GP. ie 250 / 1000 have a problem (25%). Of these 230 go to the GP (23% of the total but 92% of those who have a problem). 140 of these are identified as having a problem (14% of the 100020 get referred to specialist psych services (ie 2%) and 6 get admitted (ie0.6% of the original 1000). PS The study was of adults only. The original studies were by Goldberg and Huxley but community studies of mental diorder have generally found similar pictures. In the US a community study would identify similar levels of problems but, I suspect, the nature of medical provision would make it likely that a very different picture would emerge thereafter with the mildly worried with money paying for psychotherapy while the poor went without much help.

Has he got a sister?

Yes, I bought a biography of Harold Gimblett last week. Sad stuff reading about him downing fistfuls of pills and going for ECT between demolishing county bowling attacks. 2 England captains, A.Shrewsbury and A.E.Stoddart blew their brains out, as did 'mystery spinner' Jack Iverson. The most recent ex-Test cricketer to top himself was David Bairstow, I think Sad. These guys played cricket for 6 hours a day and 7 days a week for up to 20 years. They were with mates for even longer hours. When they retired many of them had nothing to go to, no source of income and no idea what to do. Simon Hughes in 'A Whole lot of Yakka' described his desolation on being released by Middlesex. At least he was in an era where there was more money - he also had a degree to work with.

"25% of population will visit GP in any one year with a mental health problem of more than 3 weeks duration". Really, Mr P? If you think we believe that you must be mad You are right to question me Ronnie although it may just be a contrivance aimed at enabling you to amke a mild joke. There is a slight error caused by me being awash with beer and wine last night. 25% of people in the community have a mental disorder of 3/52 duration during any year. Most of this will be mild anxiety and depression. About 230 per 1000 (23%) will visit their Gp with the problem. Of these the GP will identify the mental health problem in about 140 (Men tend to present their psychological symptoms as physical and some GPs just aren't very good). Of these about 20 of the most severe get referred on to a psychiatrist and about 5 or 6 (0.6%) end up admitted to a hospital. More suicidal appercus on request. An interesting site was alt.suicide.holiday which published a list of suicide methods and advice on how to maximise your chances of death. The site kind of exists but some of its advice on how best to do it has been removed but can still be found. http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~chuff/holiday.html should take you there. Methods 9, 25 and 35 are particularly interesting. so 92% of the people who have a mental problem, the majority of whom have only mild anxiety and depression, visit a GP about it? Yes but only those of over three weeks duration. Remember that mild anxiety and depression are subjectively quite unpleasant in a way that serious mental disorder may not be.

More wasted than wasteland. PS I rather fancy that Tommy Sheridan has been a naughty boy, SC. He's now claiming that it's an MI5 conspiracy. He really does think too much of himself... Well he must do whatever he can to keep that lovely wife.

I have doubts as to its authenticity.

"25% of population will visit GP in any one year with a mental health problem of more than 3 weeks duration". Really, Mr P? If you think we believe that you must be mad You are right to question me Ronnie although it may just be a contrivance aimed at enabling you to amke a mild joke. There is a slight error caused by me being awash with beer and wine last night. 25% of people in the community have a mental disorder of 3/52 duration during any year. Most of this will be mild anxiety and depression. About 230 per 1000 (23%) will visit their Gp with the problem. Of these the GP will identify the mental health problem in about 140 (Men tend to present their psychological symptoms as physical and some GPs just aren't very good). Of these about 20 of the most severe get referred on to a psychiatrist and about 5 or 6 (0.6%) end up admitted to a hospital. More suicidal appercus on request. An interesting site was alt.suicide.holiday which published a list of suicide methods and advice on how to maximise your chances of death. The site kind of exists but some of its advice on how best to do it has been removed but can still be found. http://www.cat.pdx.edu/~chuff/holiday.html should take you there. Methods 9, 25 and 35 are particularly interesting.

I'm firmly in urban myth territory now, but the story is to good to let pass. A friend of mine is a railway engineer and has collided with suicidals several times. It's a mystery to me how he can cope with that, but that's not the point. He told me that all of his kills were near psychiatric hospitals. What's more, he claims, most Dutch psychiatric hospitals are located next to railway lines. regards, Hein A survey of suicides on the London Underground found hotspots at certain stations. All of them were near psychiatric hospitals. Not an urban myth though. it was research by a Professor Farmer (that's not an occupation by the way)

That's a shame - I liked the Pretty Things (I suppose it would have still been a shame had I NOT liked them). But mental disorder is common (25% of population will visit GP in any one year with a mental health problem of more than 3 weeks duration). Suicide is rare (0.01% of population will kill self in any year). So just betting on those treated for or having a mental disorder is no better than backing a 2500-1 against shot. I don't suppose that those odds are any better than betting on any randomly selected 75 year old to die in the next year.

Carlisle United Mad! At last a sustainable alternative to the Bloomsbury Group.I can only imagine the conversation that takes place between the five of you. I rather liked Tommy's front but even he must have gulped at the verdict knowing that it was only a matter of time before the 'perjury 'word arose. Mrs Sheridan is, without doubt, gorgeous in every respect and I will, in due course, travel north to pay her homage.

More wasted than wasteland. PS I rather fancy that Tommy Sheridan has been a naughty boy, SC.

At last a topic about which I used to lecture. Suicide is remarkably rare. About half as many die from suicide as from prostate cancer (and women cannot get that). So when you say that its common in any group you can lose sight of the fact that its rare. As a profession vets have the highest rate in the UK (access to both poisons and guns) with a Standard Mortality ratio of 500 (ie 5 times the average). But overall thats a handful of deaths each year. The highest risk group of all are men who are within 6 weeks of having been discharged from a psychiatric hospital (200 times the average). But with suicide being rare, that still means that at most 2% will do it. Amusingly it also suggest that psych hospitals do no more than delay suicide. Best not be a Lithuanian vet, male, recently bereaved, divorced, old, isolated, ill and in pain, with no prospect of things getting any better yet active enough to use either the gun, syringe full of insulin or poisons that are sitting on the table where you are drinking heavily. Lecture over. Any questions.

.......... putting his final full stop in just the right place. he'd been in a comma for some time..... I wouldn't be surprised to learn he had a large part of his intestine removed due to cancer. If so, he would have been left with a semi colon. Your coats, gentlemen. Kindly close the door on your way out. Its a fair cop. I'm on my way.

You have now become my "number one" post-whore. I say "number one"; really you're more of a "number two"; a loose, spluttery, Mixed Vegetable Balti sort of one at that. If, however, everyone took Anubis' advice and simply put all the vaginal-envious and over-compensatory, talentless, one-line put-down shills like you who troll the DL from time to time on Ignore we'd all end up like me; pissed-off and disillusioned, with a dozen people on Ignore. Admittedly, Ignoring the bulk of the regular posters has improved the visible quality of the forum of late but, surely, we'd rather see some decent arguments than more of this weak-hearted primary school codswallop. Sure... someone hawking herbal SPAM, swearing a bit or advertising www.pornsitexxxheavyhungtdonkleys.com gets short shrift from the Mods, probably an immediate ban and the post sent to trash before impotent members like me can take advantage of the crazy, crazy LOW prices and special guaranteed-to-give-you-a-rise offer read them, whilst "Lady Clarissa" here meanders her crimson fingernails tantalisingly over our collective nutsack with apparent impunity. If any unemployed 36-year-old male virgin like Lady Christopher... sorry, Clarissa, can rock up and pretty much charm the trouser-snake of the membership at large, we should all be ashamed, members... very, very ashamed. As Rolf Harris, someone who I'm sure "Lady Clarissa" is familar with, once copied... "Ooh, and it makes me wonder..." I'd rather see more bordering-on-kiddy-fiddling porn scripts about teenage twins from BHB and Pizzaguy than this wannabe's lame bullsh*t. SC We all know LCR's just some aussie sh*t-stirrer, probably an existing member yanking our chains in time-honoured fashion, but I do so love rising to the bait, doing what you all wanted and expected, having a little rant again; saying what you're feeling... again. remember the Ers? my pleasure... accept no substitute. tommy sheridan is innocent. Does anger always make you ramble, Star-crossed. This is almost unreadable. But I got there in the end.

I'd take a guess at sometime in February. Not sure when this trial is meant to end and he's due to hear his sentence from the first trial sometime next month. If he was facing trial in England, I think the standard punishment for genocide is 500 hours of community service and a 2,000 GBP fine I still say we should have tried him in Texas. Yeah. Then he could feature in the 2028 deathlist.

If he makes a good recovery it should appear on Top Gear with the lads slapping their thighs and roaring. But that won't seem quite the same.

..... and they need never leave Brinsworth. Its certainly a winning idea. And classier than many recent game shows. If it fails we could slightly modify it so that a group of strongmen visit BH and compete to throw Charlie over the Brinsworth roof. We could still keep the bit where he recites a medley from the plays of Becket etc. Clarissa's shenanigans might just push us beyond the watershed but who knows there's precious little on at 9 pm these days.

Maybe. But he'd probably had a good innings by Scottish standards (makes mental note - more Scotsamn on the DL for 07)

.......... putting his final full stop in just the right place.

QUOTE(maryportfuncity @ Oct 1 2006, 01:39 PM) If yer man is looking for a sedate return to action I think a radio play, where he sits and reads his script, would be ideal. A radio play would be a sedate return. As would a chat show appearance. In recent years the poor fellow has done little more active than lob the occasional pickled onion at Charlie Drake (before a round of Horlicks and off to bed at 6).

That doesn't seem strange to me Deadsox. We Brits assume that ALL American males sit around shooting mammals.

Given Clarissa's concupiscent inclinations I doubt that any role beside (or under) her Ladyship would be beneficial to the health of our hero. He is in need of an altogether more sedate return to the public eye.

Posted in Osama bin Laden thread Sep 23 2006, 06:47 PM Yep. Immerse him in all that's best in western culture. 'dem gud am lidl yellah bas tuds weer goinduhSIVILEYEzum' The DL is becoming an altogether quite arty place. Two e.e.cummings quotes in a week. Outstanding

She's a fine young woman. Cheers, Pooka....so, how goes the stalking?? Fine. Fine. Pull back the blinds and give me a wave!