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Now the bass player Dave Land has collapsed and died aged 67. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/dave-land-legendary-welsh-rock-11396922

Martin Revson, brother of one of the founders of Revlon, dies at 105. http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/2016/05/27/martin-revson-pine-plains-co-founder-revlon-dies-105/85036204/ Article suggests he was a co-founder, I'm not so sure, but what is of more interest was that he was implicated in the quiz show scandal involving the $64,000 Dollar Question in the 1950s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_quiz_show_scandals Further interest is that Patty Duke who was a contestant on a companion show admitted to having been coached.

Foreigner - Cold As Ice: People who are in things deemed "British" but are in fact foreign (Mo Farah; Kevin Pietersen, foreign acts on Britain's Got Talent, etc)

It was Jeff Conaway's last Taxi ride 5 years ago.

It's also Sumner Redstone's birthday, and Yasuhiro Nakasone's birthday...lots of popular picks in fact. And it would have been my late mother's birthday....

Interestingly, Nicholas Fisk has been updated and awarded points but isn't front page news. Beware the wrath of BiblioG...

Best I've seen so far: "The Kwouk and the Dead".

Peggy Spencer of the original "Come Dancing" fame, choreographer and ballroom dance instructor, dies at 95. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36387532

George Kirby, one of the world's oldest newlyweds, died at the age of 103: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3609191/One-half-world-s-oldest-newlyweds-passes-away-laughing-joking-days-celebrating-104th-birthday.html with a qo. time mentioned the pair as possibilities for 2016 here: http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8444&p=225524 but nobody took up the offer on the DDP for either of them.

Death Notice of former ICI chairman Sir Denys Hartley Henderson aged 83: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/203086/henderson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denys_Henderson Edit: Guardian Obit: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/26/sir-denys-henderson-obituary

Gets a fairly expected Telegraph Obit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/05/25/jane-fawcett-bletchley-decoder-obituary/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter but nobody picked her for the DDP.

Ah, the Mandrels!

Report here of the death of Malvina Cheek, British female war artist, at 100: https://twitter.com/mgd_e/status/735425804121870337 Usual news report and DDP qualifying obit required in due course.

Former racing driver and Bond stunt driver Neil Cunningham has reportedly lost his battle with Motor Neurone Disease: https://twitter.com/SportmphMark/status/735424277500055552 and https://twitter.com/BritishGT/status/735414216144912389 Further to this story: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/bond-stuntman-neil-cunningham-battle-2028806 and mentioned in OoO's Farewell List here: http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8379&p=202909 Obviously awaiting formal news report to confirm and preferably a qualifying obit for the DDP team who picked him. Edit: Daily Star: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/518257/Top-Gear-Bond-world-renowned-GT-racing-driver-Neil-Cunningham-died

Chinese author Yang Jiang dies at 104: http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/renowned-chinese-writer-yang-jiang-dies-at-age-104-116052500678_1.html 2 DDP teams await the usual. Edit: Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3608178/Renowned-Chinese-writer-Yang-Jiang-dies-age-104.html

Ten years ago today Desmond Dekker got what he really didn't want.

Death Notice for Jane Fawcett at 95, one of the Bletchley lot: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/203027/fawcett Further: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/11337465/The-Deb-of-Bletchley-Park-There-was-always-a-crisis-a-lot-of-stress-and-a-lot-of-excitement.html http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7573778/

Problem with this vote is that many "pros" as seen by one side are "cons" for the other, so there is never a right answer. Only a right one for each voter. I could go through the whole arguments detailing these out - I'm still undecided - but a huge boring post which doesn't address specific issues for each person might not be worth it. So I'll take one non-specific issue and show how it depends on your point of view how you might feel about that, possibly in a smaller but no less boring post! Sovereignty. This is something the pro-EU side have discussed less than pro-Brexit. This is the right of a national Parliament to pass laws, proposed by the Government, and for those laws to be enforced by the national Courts. There is a series of checks and balances - the Government cannot pass laws, they have to be approved by Parliament and even then the laws may be interpreted by the national Courts in a way which the Government or even Parliament might not like. By joining the EU, we have given away the absolute right to make laws and decide them in our own Courts, but only on some specific issues which are to underpin the more general treaty rights: these include harmonisation of standards in consumer items, and employment rights for example, so that no country gains an unfair advantage over another. Such laws are proposed by unelected Commissioners, one each appointed by each country, revised and passed by the EU Parliament (which is elected in the EU elections in each country) and interpreted by national courts but which can ultimately be decided upon by the EU Court who can override decisions of our own courts. The Brexit side say we should step out of this and decide our own laws and have our own courts have the ultimate say. Internally within the UK and externally with the rest of the world outside the EU, we could have sole say in the standards of goods and services and what workers' rights should be as we did prior to joining the EU. As a big economy, we would be better placed to negotiate a good deal in new agreements with the EU. Against this, the pro-EU side would say that in relation to goods and services in trade deals with the EU, we would still have to comply with all EU law, possibly but not certainly accepting free movement of labour. We would have no say in the rules set down by the EU to maintain such deals. By staying in, we at least have some say in those rules and can negotiate opt outs as rules are made. I'd add my own thoughts on the cons of each side in relation to the above. On the Brexit side, the cons seem to me to be (1) the UK Parliament actually takes a very long time to get round to making new laws; (2) an unfettered Government with a large majority could push through restrictive laws on its own labour market (for example, it might remove the right to a paid holiday); (3) our Courts would be pushed into a two tier standard of interpretation of laws for the UK's own people and those of EU citizens living here. On the Remain side: (1) there is a lack of accountability in the EU proposing laws by unelected Commissioners; (2) we have given up a veto in favour of opt outs (such as on the Euro) which are by no means certain to continue and might be struck down at any time by the EU Court; (3) the EU has become a movement towards ever closer political union, thus in the future we could be forced to give up more and more of our law-making powers if we remain. This isn't meant to be exhaustive and by no means tries to address a personal concern, but it shows how one aspect has what are seen as benefits on one side are not for the other side. It's also probably the driest aspect of the referendum, so sorry about that.

Awful news, PB - sudden loss at such a young age. Hope there's a good circle of pals to support each other. A family of friends is as important as a family. Peace, YW.

Given Burt Kwouk's work, is there anyone who comes close to the number of threads his death could have gone in? Dead of 2016; Pink Panther; Last of the Summer Wine; Hancock's Half Hour; James Bond; British Science Fiction; The Bill and Other Cop Shows; Soapstar Superstar Thread; Carry On Dying; (Is there a Tenko thread?); Mollie Sugden et al (British Sitcoms)...there's probably more. Rest his soul.

List Updated for Burt Kwouk: Ray Galton (b. 1930) Alan Simpson (b. 1929) Andree Melly (b. 1932) Warren Mitchell (b. 1926; d.2015) Rolf Harris (b. 1930) Burt Kwouk (b. 1930; d.2016) Anne Reid (b. 1935) Liz Fraser (b. 1930)

Cilla...The Sequel...

I think that Journalists should be banned from using the word Veteren (except to describe people who fought in a specific conflict) and replace it with Expected to die soon.... Stanley turns 90 tomorrow, amazed he doesn't have his own thread. Anyway, here's a recent interview referring to his shot spine and knee replacements and a lovely pic of him with Ronnie Corbett. Doesn't sound like he's joining him soon, but a lot of year to go: http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts_ents/14506696._I_wake_up_and_check_the_obituaries_in_the_paper__If_I___m_not_listed__I_get_up__Stanley_Baxter_on_turning_90/

Dead: http://www.heraldcourier.com/community/entertainment/former-yugo-s-mega-film-star-bata-zivojinovic-dies-at/article_8f0cca24-ceb6-5192-b243-426a2936987a.html

Death Notice for Donald Snelgrove, former Bishop of Hull, who has died aged 91. http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/202949/snelgrove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Snelgrove