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4chan is full of shit. They claim to have invented pretty much everything that changed the internet - memes, movements, etc. But really it's nothing more than a bunch of kids posting porn and stupid pictures and talking in their own made up dialect.

Yeah I'd give him a 25% chance at this stage of seeing 2018, realistically. Which means he should really have been on this year's list, but the committee often leave out many obvious picks (Soares, Hollingworth for two) so they thought nothing of leaving out Wetton as well. Is there much point in creating a new thread? Certain forum users (of course I'm not looking at anyone in particular here, yeah right) are always complaining about how this thread is redundant because of the Pink Floyd / psychedelia one. Squire died in summer 2015, and yes Wetton first announced he had cancer in spring 2015, thought he'd beaten it, then it came back and metastasized later in 2015. But it's worth noting that metastatic cancer and terminal cancer are not one and the same. Wetton has never stated that his cancer is terminal, and has always said that he hopes to make a full recovery. So we just don't know, but he does look pretty ill and weak although it's possible that the sepsis has made him look more ill than he would appear if it were just cancer alone he had been suffering from. Either way, things don't look good for him.

More news regarding John Wetton ... https://www.dgmlive.com/news/john%20continues%20treatment Not at all surprising. I'd have been more surprised if he could have done the tour at all given how ill he is. The last time Billy Sherwood filled in for someone on tour, that someone - Chris Squire - was dead within a short while from cancer. If we lose Wetton this year, which I think is likely, then prog rock will have lost three of its best bassists - Squire, Lake and Wetton - within the space of less than three years. And of course King Crimson, who are preparing to embark on a tour of the USA in 2017, will have lost their two most important vocalists in their classic original period. That being said, Wetton still seems optimistic. He seems to think he'll be able to tour again later in the year - possibly in the UK if he's not able to fly. But I'll believe that when I see it... Sometimes, being optimistic can be a very positive thing, like clinging on to the last bit of hope that things will improve. But far too often, and I say this as a pessimist by personality, being optimistic is just not being realistic.

Soares wasn't a household name, and obviously, Javier Pérez de Cuéllar is? At least Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a memorable name...

Soares and Hollingworth were easy and obvious picks and should have been on the list. Both - particularly the latter - were definitely undoubtably famous enough and received UK obits. It was like when Sir Nicholas Winton was left off, that was a really bad and glaringly obvious miss, too.

Well, with Soares' passing that's the first obvious miss of the year. A very easy pick, not picked by the committee.

Sepsis? That's pretty serious. Can't read the article because it won't let me read it because you have to pay. But how did I end up not hearing about this news?

I read an article about Phil Collins saying how he was an alcoholic, then recovered, but he apparently still drinks even though he had alcoholism and recovered?

I was trying to think of the Daily Mail's top 5 running obsessions 1)Royal Family 2)Halibuts and migrants 3)The BBC 4)Brexit 5)Hatred of Labour/Corbyn You forgot to mention tits and ass.

Good to get a headstart on the committee - a nice, early headstart. His name was being discussed around these parts before the new year and seemed like a great pick at the time.

There's three episodes of Wallace and Gromit, featuring the voice of Sallis, on the iPlayer right now. Worth a look. I hadn't seen them in years, and was impressed by how clever they were. One of those rare TV series that could appeal to children and adults alike. If you're soft hearted, the episode "The Wrong Trousers" might even make you cry (not that I'm owning up to nothing here, like!) during the moment when Gromit decides to leave home after Wallace allows a lodger to move in. That is one evil penguin!

I'm going to do the unthinkable - amend my list for 2017. Since no one's died yet, I'll be alright if I change my list to this: 1. Zhou Youguang 2. Michael of Romania 3. Peter Sallis 4. Kirk Douglas 5. Billy Graham 6. Herman Wouk 7. Clare Hollingworth 8. Leah Bracknell 9. Jacque Fresco 10. Olivia de Haviland 11. Vera Lynn 12. Raymond Smullyan 13. Prince Philip 14. Peter Carrington 15. I. M. Pei 16. Javier Perez de Cuellar 17. Bernard Lewis 18. Jake Lamotta 19. Mario Soares 20. David Rockefeller 21. Pierre Cardin 22. Stan Lee 23. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg 24. Beverly Cleary 25. Denis Norden 26. Jimmy Carter 27. George Bush Sr. 28. Fats Domino 29. Chuck Berry 30. Hosni Mubarak 31. Glen Campbell 32. Robert Mugabe 33. Doris Day 34. Dick Van Dyke 35. Timothy Dudley-Smith 36. Bruce Forsyth 37. Lyndon LaRouche 38. Henry Kissinger 39. Hugh Hefner 40. Benedict XVI 41. Desmond Tutu 42. Gudrun Ure 43. Ian Brady 44. David Attenborough 45. Nicholas Parsons 46. Desmond Morris 47. Errol Christie 48. Ian St John 49. Rolf Harris 50. John Wetton I had to sacrifice some good picks to make room for people who I thought were even better picks! Removed: Charles Aznavour, Tony Bennett, Gaston Glock, Sidney Poitier, Jacques Delors, Norman Tebbit, Josef Fritzl Added: Bernard Lewis, Jean Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Beverly Cleary, Denis Norden, Lyndon LaRouche, Errol Christie, Ian St John Hope it pays off...

I'm going to do the unthinkable - amend my list for 2017. Since no one's died yet, I'll be alright if I change my list to this: 1. Zhou Youguang 2. Michael of Romania 3. Peter Sallis 4. Kirk Douglas 5. Billy Graham 6. Herman Wouk 7. Clare Hollingworth 8. Leah Bracknell 9. Jacque Fresco 10. Olivia de Haviland 11. Vera Lynn 12. Raymond Smullyan 13. Prince Philip 14. Peter Carrington 15. I. M. Pei 16. Javier Perez de Cuellar 17. Bernard Lewis 18. Jake Lamotta 19. Mario Soares 20. David Rockefeller 21. Pierre Cardin 22. Stan Lee 23. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg 24. Beverly Cleary 25. Denis Norden 26. Jimmy Carter 27. George Bush Sr. 28. Fats Domino 29. Chuck Berry 30. Hosni Mubarak 31. Glen Campbell 32. Robert Mugabe 33. Doris Day 34. Dick Van Dyke 35. Timothy Dudley-Smith 36. Bruce Forsyth 37. Lyndon LaRouche 38. Henry Kissinger 39. Hugh Hefner 40. Benedict XVI 41. Desmond Tutu 42. Gudrun Ure 43. Ian Brady 44. David Attenborough 45. Nicholas Parsons 46. Desmond Morris 47. Errol Christie 48. Ian St John 49. Rolf Harris 50. John Wetton I had to sacrifice some good picks to make room for people who I thought were even better picks! Removed: Charles Aznavour, Tony Bennett, Gaston Glock, Sidney Poitier, Jacques Delors, Norman Tebbit, Josef Fritzl Added: Bernard Lewis, Jean Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Beverly Cleary, Denis Norden, Lyndon LaRouche, Errol Christie, Ian St John Hope it pays off...

High teens? I thought young people were all about iPads and smartphones these days and didn't need drugs to amuse them.

Do people qualify for being on the list simply for being related to someone famous? Some people were talking of including Roberta McCain, who at 104 is famous for being, what, the mother of a US presidential candidate? Mary Wilson is a similar case. Are they really famous in their own right to qualify for the list? Both have Wikipedia articles and McCain did some some help with campaigning and Wilson is a poet but there is nothing major that makes them stand out as particularly notable other than who they are related to. If you could include them, why not include John Wetton's 101-year-old mother on the list? Where do you draw the line? I suppose it's possible to contrast cases like that with relations who are obviously notable, like US First Ladies, who are always clearly deathlistable.

I may only have joined this forum officially in 2015, but actually I have been looking at this site on-off since late 2006, and I was a member on this board in 2007. That's ten years ago don't you know! Anyway, regarding Wetton... I heard an album by the project Blue Rose Code today, and was stunned to learn that the main man behind that project is a friend of Wetton and he plays on the album. Even if you compare pics of Wetton from earlier last year, he looks relatively healthy back then. Wetton, May 2016: Wetton and his wife, Nov 2016: Wetton and his wife, Dec 2016: The decline in his physical health is visible. Although he may plan to play some gigs in 2017, he is clearly quite seriously ill and will struggle to survive the year IMHO. Definitely should have been picked for the 2017 list.

I couldn't believe it when they announced an Asia tour. How will he be well enough to travel, stand up on stage and sing and play bass? Maybe he's not as ill as he makes out, but he certainly looks it. I'd be pretty surprised to see Wetton make 2018 at this stage - would give him a less than 50% chance of being alive at the start of 2018. Bonus points for not making it out because he is on teams such as David Quantick Showbiz Pals and The Living End. Whose teams are those? Don't fully understand all these teams, deadpools, etc. I prefer to keep things simple! I heard an album by the project Blue Rose Code today, and was stunned to learn that the main man behind that project is a friend of Wetton and he plays on the album. Even if you compare pics of Wetton from earlier last year, he looks relatively healthy back then. Wetton, May 2016: Wetton and his wife, Nov 2016: Wetton and his wife, Dec 2016:

Jake Lamotta, random guess. Hopefully I will get one of these things right for once

I couldn't believe it when they announced an Asia tour. How will he be well enough to travel, stand up on stage and sing and play bass? Maybe he's not as ill as he makes out, but he certainly looks it. I'd be pretty surprised to see Wetton make 2018 at this stage - would give him a less than 50% chance of being alive at the start of 2018.

Good analysis. I also think this year has got the best chance possible of breaking the record.

He'll probably die this year without having ever made the list - a crying shame.

14th January

My thoughts on the 2017 list? As others have been saying, it's a good, solid list - not least because of significant overlap in choices with my own personal list! Much, much better than last year's list. The crap picks have been kept to a minimum, and 90% of them are fairly solid picks. I'd agree with others who say that this year has the best chance of any in recent years to break the record of 14 deaths. So many good picks on there. Tired now as back from a crap party, too tired to go into any great detail of analysis. But overall I get the impression that this list has been thought about more carefully than last year's, which had many poor choices on it. Any bad choices? I don't think the Queen will go in 2017, despite some minor ailments recently. Emperor Akihito, Gay Byrne, David Prowse and Liz Dawn are new picks with known health issues but could quite easily go either way. Disappointed about the non-inclusion of John Wetton, Zhou Youguang, Clare Hollingworth, I. M. Pei, Mario Soares, and others.

Transplant? Your guess is as good as mine. Is there any other health info on St John other than what's said in his Wikipedia biography?

His Wikipedia biography says that in 2014 following cancer his bladder was removed. Now I'm not even sure that I want to know this, but how exactly does a person without a bladder go for a piss or hold urine?