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Not much cricket here. Golf is a sport folk only pretend to care about when there's a chance of a Scot winning. "Sure I know all the rules, mon Colin Montgomerie, don't screw up the final shot....WHY DO YOU ALWAYS SCREW UP THE FINAL SHOT.... fuck it, golf's shite..." Or something like that. I knew who Tom Smith was, but as a Scot with a passing interest in our rugby side that's probably a cheat!

I've genuinely sat here taking it for granted that Allis was a cricket commentator, which perhaps unintentionally shows his fame level in this house.

Order – Placing, Name, YES vote, NO vote, Approval Rating SURVIVORS FROM PREVIOUS LISTS 32nd place – James Randi 8-14 -6 James Randi spent his life outing the Acorahs of the world. This forum would rather he stayed out of the DL. 31st place Louis Farrakhan 11-11 0 Farrakhan just snuck into neutral territory with the late batch of voters who went “oh everyone can have a YES except….” but we’ll get to that one. 30th place Ed Asner 12-10 +2 In the US he’s famous for the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Over here, he’s “oh that voice” for things like Toy Story. That disconnect explains his divide in approval, although it was by no means a straight Atlantic divide 29th place Peter Allis 13-9 +4 The cricket legend relied heavily on older voters. 28th place Cleo Laine 14-8 +6 Actor lovers, and the tag team of lovers of old Brits and old notable women (you all know who you are) gave Cleo a far better result than I thought she’d get. Joint 23rd place with 15-7 +8 David Prowse, Sandy Gall, Linda Nolan, Brian Wilson, Barbara Walters A number of folk who struggled at times. Brian Wilson got a lot of straight Nos, which surprised me. Sandy Gall did far better than expected. Barbara Walters was very close to a US/UK split. Joint 21st place with 16-6 +10 Frank Bough and Loretta Lynn Both had some detractors but are clearly quite popular. Just lost in the shuffle behind more popular picks. 20th place Nigel Lawson 17-5 +12 Hurt by non-UK voters not knowing who he was. Joint 18th place with 18-4 +14 Stanley Baxter and Joni Mitchell Solid support for the comic legend and the music legend. Joint 14th place with 19-3 +16 Ian St John, Gazza, June Brown, Larry King Perhaps surprisingly strong showings for 3 of these names given complaints at times. Joint 8th place with 20-2 +18 Sean Connery, Vanessa Redgrave, Mel Brooks, Ronnie Woods, Sidney Poitier, Jimmy Greaves I wont embarrass them by telling you the person who thought Sean Connery, the most Scottish man in the universe, was “some American actor”. Vanessa Redgrave did surprising well, which shows you this is about who deserves a DL spot, not necessarily who is best suited for one in 2020. Joint 2nd place with 21-1 +20 Olivia Newton John, Ozzy Osbourne, Jerry Lee Lewis, Pope Benedict, Queen Elizabeth II, Tina Turner So what I get from this is you lot love music heroes. Yes, I found remember the days of Benedict and Elizabeth’s duet on War Pigs with Ozzy. All of these will clearly return to the list before long. Top of the Survivors with A Unanimous Approval Rating of 22-0 and +22 Mikhail Gorbachev Shouldn’t have left the list, I agree. All Gorby All the time said the forum. WAS LISTED BUT DIED BEFORE THE DEADLINE (RIP) Carl Reiner had a score of 14-8 and approval of +6. Not bad at all, really, for someone in the shadow of a far more famous friend. And son. THE 39 LIVING PEOPLE ON THE 2020 DL Rock bottom spot - Bill Gates Sr 0-22 -22 It’s heartening to see such unanimity of opinion among the DL forum. No one voted in favour of Bill Gates Sr, not even his son signing in under a sock account. We might have a contender for general consensus worst DL pick ever, even if he snuffs it before January. Joint 37th spot with 11-11, equal, and 0 Alan Greenspan and Tom Smith Greenspan split between those into economics and those going “who is this guy?”. Tom split between those guy “no place on the list “ and those going “cancer plus reasonable notability = get them on the list” and that’s a near even split! 36th place – Bouteflika 12-10 +2 Forum seemed seemingly uninspired by this pick. Joint 33rd place with 13-9 +4 John Edrich, Bob Barker and Ruth Ginsburg Edrich harmed by no one having heard of them, Barker and Ginsburg harmed by the British voters being distinctly uninterested in them. Joint 31st place with 14-8 +6 Alex Trebek and General Musharraf Ditto Trebek but he bounced back late. Joint 29th place with 16-6 +10 Lester Piggott and Shane MacGowan Two “famous enough but not really room” type decisions. Joint 24th place with 17-5 +12 Dick Cheney, Joanne Woodward, Peter Sutcliffe, Leon Spinks, Tony Bennett An odd grouping. Some folk didn’t know who Cheney was. You lucky, lucky people. Ditto oanne Woodward, whose Oscar win has been forgotten, and Sutcliffe seemed to make people wonder if they wanted murderers on the list. But +12 is clearly an outright majority... Joint 21st place with 18-4 +14 Jacques Delors, Harry Belafonte and Akihito Not much to say here. A few dissenters but otherwise big votes. Joint 16th place with 19-3 +16 Prunella Scales, Imelda Marcos, David Crosby, Leslie Philips and Bob Dole Another group of big winners. Curious to see the big support for David Crosby. Dark horse for widespread forum approval. Folk wanted Imelda on the list for years, and Bob Dole is so well known over here even folk who voted no for most of the Americans voted yes to him. Bob Dole likes this. Despite questions over how long Pru has left, there’s no question about the forum’s view of her DL-ness... Joint 12th place with 20-2 +18 Angela Lansbury, Betty White, David Attenborough and Pierre Cardin Thumping big majorities for 4 legends. Well, maybe 3 and Mr Cardin. Lansbury and Attenborough got masse cross Atlantic support, and so nearly got unanimous votes. Betty White had two dissenters to her being a US star, but 20 YES votes from 22 is landslide territory. Joint 4th place with 21-1 +20 Murray Walker, Giscard d’Estaing, Henry Kissinger, Desmond Tutu, Jean Marie le Pen, Dick Van Dyke, Willie Nelson, and Olivia de Havilland Most of these just missed top spot by one person who hadn’t heard of them, or one person probably playing silly buggers in the case of Olivia. Kissinger seemed destined for joint top spot till late on. Surprisingly strong results for Dick van Dyke (might be healthy but his A list status isn’t in doubt), Giscard d’Estaing and Jean Marie le Pen. Also, look at Willie Nelson, only one NO vote in the entire thing. Stunningly strong. Joint 1st place with Unanimous Approval Ratings of 22-0 +22 Prince Philip, Jimmy Carter and Nobby Stiles The trio at the top went without a single negative vote. They are all A-listers, and if Nobby isn’t as famous (he’s not even the most famous England World Cup winner you heard about today), he’s still earned his place in the DL heart with his long survival against seemingly every dreaded illness under the sun. Jimmy Carter would fucking loved this approval rating back in 1980. As for Prince Philip, he just says: “Deathlist? If you all keep shouting at each other no wonder you are deaf!” Anyhow, that's the results. Enjoy. Or not.

Thanks. 19 votes in so this is your last chance warning for the next 4 1/2 hours. To save time you may just send me the names you want to say NO to if you so wish...

Thanks. This was Norman filming early 2019. Watching the video below the pic above on his twitter he was clearly lost a fair bit of weight in a hurry and his voice is weaker too. The evidence certainly seems to backs up Ulitzer's source (as does precedent).

He wasn't looking that bad last year - quite lively in fact. Any of these more recent pics to hand?

My suggestion is be wary on the Inverse points because whilst we know it'll hit "C-lister with terminal cancer at Christmas" picks it'll also hurt the most A list names in the game and you don't want people forgoing the likes of the Queen or Philip or what not for fear of losing too many points?

Do they have to be hits on the respective other games or just in general? I can also see the Inverse and Prediction rules playing merry havoc with each other. Sounds like chaos but might be worth a shot - folk aren't forced to play the various games and I remember way back when folk complained there weren't enough games...

Aye. Poor Jack! Another legend killed off in 2020.

Right, so, back in 2016, folk were moaning about DL droughts and stuff (ignore for a moment so many people died in 2016 I think we all died three times that year). So I put all the DL names who had more than 5 appearances on the list in a poll, and asked folk who would be the last standing of the current crop of Deathlist legends. And some of the great brains on site... all looked very foolish claiming Fidel Castro would do it, only for him to snuff it weeks later. So, three years on, more moaning about droughts, and 5/8 on the first go are no more. So in the interest of time capsuled opinions which swiftly prove wrong, and a good sense of sods law, have at it. Of the eleven (!) people on the 2019 DL to appear on 6 or more lists (and thus we can safely assume are there till they die), who will be the last one alive? Vera Lynn and Olivia de H still top trumps, or are new blood in Henry Kissinger and Clive James the in thing? (Results from 2016) 1. Vera Lynn (Still alive) 21 votes 2. Olivia de Havilland (still alive) 19 votes 3. Fats Domino (died in 2017) 16 votes 4. Jake LaMotta (died in 2017) 7 votes 5. Zsa Zsa Gabor (died 2 months later) 5 votes 6. Fidel Castro (died 1 month later) 5 votes 7. Kirk Douglas (still alive) 4 votes 8. Rev Billy Graham (died in 2018) 1 vote 2019 contenders 1. Kirk Douglas (17) - b. 1916 2. Herman Wouk (8) - b. 1915 3. Olivia de Havilland (12) b. 1916 4. Prince Phillip (7) b. 1921 5. Vera Lynn (11) b . 1917 6. Bob Dole (7) b. 1923 7. Henry Kissinger (7) b. 1923 8. Robert Mugabe (6) b. 1924 9. Javier Perez De Cuellar (6) b. 1920 10. Hosni Mubarak (6) b. 1928 11. Clive James (6) b. 1939 And mind the words of wisdom from LFN: "I'm getting a bit fucked off with these inane threads from people who cannot contribute anything more to the forum because they are utter twats." Oh, wait a minute... PS Oh yeah, I've gone for Kissinger.

Sorry, I only wanted something else to do but hang around.

Aww. What have I... what have I... what have I done to deserve this? EDIT - Dammnit ninja Toast!

Not really.

With the death of JPdC, there is a vacancy on the list for "boring old politician picked every year till they turn 100 and die". Not this guy, but one in general.

So your heart starts missing a beat, even? Anyhow, he managed it when he was left to his own devices.

List of the Missed. Just marking it for that gobshite who updates the DDP website. Ahem.

Completely forgot to remind folk about this so in fairness, you now have today and tomorrow to send in a last minute list. This thing now closes on midnight Scottish time tomorrow night (ie just under 37 hours from now).

Basically if this forum shows anything, its that in the really popular deadpool topics like football and acting and music, names can show up all the time or disappear as research items improve, and even folk on the ball with their subjects like Ulitzer on music or OoO on football can turn away for 5 seconds and come back to a long lost death certificate from the 70s and 5 new old guys showing up in their local press to suddenly make all the hard work out of date! That's life, I guess!

Oddly, his mum, Vicky Askew, is still alive and 100 at some point in 2020 (she wasn't yet on mothers days when he wished her a good one...). They have a slightly up and down relationship over the years...

Confirmed by yer BBC Scotland man here on Facebook. Damn, part of the Glasgow furniture.

Aye, that'll be right and I don't think... (Mysteriously, most child actors details are protected by, you know, child protection laws.)

I was trying to be nice, you!

Nice work, Rover. Just to add: Arnold Yarrow (100) - Bellal in Death to the Daleks (1974). Yarrow celebrated his 100th birthday in April and described himself as "frail but happy". He got thousands of well wishes from Dr Who fans, and is a bit bemused people still remember his career. Donald Pelmear (born 1924) - Professor Rubeish in The Time Warrior (1974), one of the many fun eccentric boffins in Who. Laurie Webb (born 1924) - Mr Ollis in The Three Doctors (1973) - there was some "isn't he dead?" talk on twitter a while back but then he showed up alive and well. Graham Rigby (born 1927) - Larry from The Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964), believed to be still with us. Well, he was when he was last interviewed for the DVDs. Derek Smith (born 1927) - the doorman from Human Nature (2007) - "Spare a penny?" "I didn't even spare you" - presumably DWM or the like would have mentioned if he'd died. Although it was a spot up from extra work, so if anyone dies without any noticing here... Georgine Anderson (born 1928) - one of the old lesbians in Gridlock (2007) - not sure if you were counting New Who. But then Thelma Barlow, so you must be... Steve Machin (born 1929) - but bit parts, and last acted in the 1980s, so another who could easily die off the radar. Patricia Prior - born 1929, Mrs Ollis in The Three Doctors (1973) - yes, they're both still alive, and Prior was known to be around a month ago. Shirley Cooklin - turned 90 in March 2020. Kaftan from Tomb of the Cybermen (1968) - Doing conventions in 2018, was alive for her 90th this year, retired a long time ago now but should get an acknowledgment of her death when she goes, if not a full QO (sorry Latham fans) Alan Curtis - Major Green from the War Machines. Still going, not as ill as I had thought (Parkinsons iirc) and turns 90th on the 30th July 2020. David Garfield (born 1930) - Neeva from Face of Evil, and Von Weich from The War Games. Still acting till relatively recently and doing fan stuff recently too. Lilias Walker (born 1930) - Sister Lamont from Terror of the Zygons. Went into obscurity after retirement but recently heard she was still going. John Rolfe (born around 1930) - Fell in The Green Death/Sam in The Moonbase. Another who vanished from the spotlight, but was alive last I heard. You have to assume a chap who touches on so many different online geekdoms would be noticed by someone somewhere if he died. Barbara Clegg - Not an actor but worth a mention, surely? The writer of Enlightenment turned 94 in March 2020. Wendy Danvers from Curse of Peladon is allegedly still alive at 93, but she's very much long out of the spotlight. John Greenwood - D'Artagnan from The Mind Robber - died in November 2018 according to some recent checks in The Stage. As an example of folk dying off the radar. Martin Cort is about this age and still runs his own website. Also I just heard in the last week that Gregg Palmer who played a Cyberman in The Tenth Planet is still around as imdb mixed up his records with an American actor who isn't related. He'd be about 94 now. See? This thing is forever changing thanks to research!

Once again I remain confused as Willz and LFN seem to argue about apparently agreeing (both of you think small businesses should be getting more help from the government in this pandemic as they are the "engine room" of the economy, and both have continually moaned that the government has been stitching them up - or at least that's the impression gained over the last few months).

Dear Iain/Coffin Lodger With your track record in predictions, please do not predict any doom for Donald Trump until 2025 at the earliest. Yours, with love The Rest of the World