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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coste This chap, who's now a qo cert. (Hey we were all thinking it.)

Even I think this thread is shit.

I've cut the list, but what this post tells me is how insane it is so many are still lingering! Also, 8 years of lewy body dementia for Yoko? She's a 2024 or 2025 death at the latest, then.

That's a shame, Jack Russells only live about 16 years tops too.

He got out of jail in 2018 because a judge's report said he had ALS and was in bad shape. However, I stopped picking him in deadpools because if he did have ALS in his condition, he ought to be dead by now.

She's 83. Five or six years would take her to ninety or there abouts which would be good going for someone who admits they never took great care of their health.

In one of his last public statements, John McCain predicted denocrat control of Arizona in a decade. Martha McSally managed to lose both senate seats within 24 months instead.

Valli, Smokey, Mathis, Boone and bloody Englebert all DLy. If they don't make it it'lll be because they die before, not because they'd never get picked. Paolo Conte more niche in the UK, I know him due to the Austin Powers soundtrack back in the day (!) though. Also, I've assumed for years Drol actually hates him, as a famous old Italian he never mentions.

Christ, fucking off Rover is like fucking off Michael Palin while he's on weed. No offence, Rover!

John Mayall dead, news was via mrs msc herself but has since been broken by his official Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/JohnMayall/posts/1023647912453710?

Theresa May, if we can overlook her blinkered lack of pragmatism and authoritarian streak for a second, did liberalise laws to protect domestic abuse victims, renters rights, and brought in the energy cap we all know now as an attempt to block bigger bills. Even being Theresa May she still had more good points than Boris Johnson or David Cameron, despite all her numerous flaws and being the architect of our crap Brexit deal. But then America wise if we were to list the US Presidents who had been genuinely good people it might be a small list. Quincy Adams, Ulysses Grant, Abe Lincoln, Jimmy Carter for example and then you'd have people pointing out their flaws because they were human. Depends on the individual circumstances. Biden would have been a better candidate in 2016 than Hilary but in 2024 Kamala Harris is probably a better candidate than Joe Biden. Meanwhile going back a bit, Hilary Clinton would have been a far better candidate than John Kerry but chose to sit that election out for a better option that never arose.

I'm having similar oh dear god at the Ivors, not helped by their website bring SHIT, and me being rather unwell just now, but if someone could point to a big list of the eligible names for that category (like we have for the others) it would be most appreciated.

My guess. The guy from Pennsylvania or the astronaut with the wife who got shot. Basically, rust belt or popular guy who speaks on key issues. Both from key swing states.

Even taking into account your post directly above this, it is important to add that: The question asked was: Currently there is a two child limit on the number of children parents can claim child‑related welfare benefits for. Do you think this limit should be kept, or should it be abolished? Which already frames the question in a way that makes the 80% of Reform/Tory voters agreeing not so much a surprise. Remember Sir Humphrey and the conscription polling massaging. However in general, governments have a tendency to do things even when they poll unpopular, because they are the right thing to do. For example, even nowadays, pollsters can find majority support for the death penalty in the UK by phrasing the question in a certain way or leaning on the "wont someone think of the children?" routine. Likewise, in 1983, polling found that around 60% of the public thought homosexuality was wrong. Didn't stop Labour legalising it in the sixties (and yes, it took until the 80s for this to trickle to certain parts of the UK).

Ian Levine in a huge argument with someone? I'm shocked.

My view is useful threads live on and crap threads tend to sink down to page 60, forgotten.

That's right, the big guy gets his own thread after his appearance on BBC1 tonight reminded me to start a fucking thread for him. Tom Baker, The Doctor Who to anyone with a vague awareness of the show, is 86 now, and has apparently been in frail health the last few years after a lifetime of booze started to catch up. Apart from his 7 year lead role in Doctor Who and its lifetime of pop culture references, he was also famously Rasputin in Nicholas and Alexandra. He's also the narrator of Little Britain, Captain Redbeard in Blackadder and the voodoo loving artist in Vault of Horror. Anyhow, here he is on BBC1 an hour ago: Proper future DL front pager.

Where the fuck has 2022 2023 gone to? Apparently it's the 1st November 5th November already, so time to set in motion another Crowdsourced Deathlist. The 2022 3 version looks set to finish ahead level with the official Deathlist (though they lacked the help of Gary Burgess actually all the 2023 TCD picks were vaguely sensible). Hey, no one is ever going to know that was copy and pasted from last years thread. Job done. 2023's list saw a number of familiar faces exit, pursued by a bear, from George Alagiah to Rolf Harris, Topol to the Unabomber. So let's see how the class of 2024 do. Will the 2024 edition be able to top our current list? We will see, but for the time being let's go over the rules, shall we? THE RULES Rules 1. Please send a list of celebrities you wish to vote for to msc, during the time period of 5th November to the 31st December 2023. The list must have a minimum of 12 names on it, and a maximum of 50. Yes, this means we are open now, as I'll just forget to officially open it otherwise. This has happened on multiple occasions... Please send them by either PM or via Shadow List thread, not by email, semaphore, Morse code, Deathlist live chat, animated corpses, text messages, or any other means of communication you can think of. And you may only submit via 1 of those two methods above, NOT BOTH METHODS! 2. Your 1st choice will gain 50 points, 2nd 49, etc etc to 50th which will gain 1 point. This is true even if you only send in 12 names, or 13 names, or 49 names. 3. When the deadline passes, all of the points that an individual celebrity gain will be added together, and the top fifty celebrities with the most points overall will go on the Utterly Unofficial Forum List. 4. Feel free to add substitutes at the bottom of the list, which will only be counted if one of your fifty die before January 1st 2024. If for example your number one pick is such a smart one they die before January 1st, then I will give 50 points to your 2nd pick, and so on until 1 point is given to the first substitute. 4b) Anyone who wishes to avoid a Pope Benny the Fuckwit Meltdown and just says "oh put my subs in at the number of the person who died" gets 10 post likes from diego. 5. Do try to make the picks as "Deathlisty" as possible. More Buffy Sainte-Marie, less Chickadee, if you know what I mean. Someone likely to score an obit with one of the major English language news outlets. 6. The deadline for sending in entries is 31st December 2023 at 9 pm GMT. That's 4pm New York Time (31st December) and 8am (1st Jan) Melbourne time to help out non-Brits. This earlier deadline is so there's enough time to complete the list before the new year as well as enjoying some extra time off as well. I am keeping Joey's earlier cut off time for simplicity because did you see what that bloody ex-Pope did? Chaos everywhere. 7. This is essentially a forum game without a winner. It does however put the long held notion by some that the combined minds of the forum know better than the Committee to the test. 8. Who picked whom will remain anonymous. Unless the person announces it of course. 9. The paranoid probably shouldn't send in their DDP unique hopefuls. Whilst I do not intend to steal them away, it would make no sense: if the person then showed up on the list, their chances of being unique would be very slim indeed! 9b. If you do wish to send your DDP unique hopefuls, I won't complain! 10. To keep to the Deathlist spirit, only the top 25 ranked celebrities from the current list of Crowdsourced Deathlist 2023 survivors will be used: Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, Joanne Woodward, Glynis Johns, Roberta Flack, James Whale, Frank Field, Rosalynn Carter, Jonnie Irwin, Linda Nolan, Eva Marie Saint, June Spencer, Dick van Dyke, Ruth Buzzi, Nigel Starmer Smith, Andy Taylor, Mel Brooks, Yoko Ono, Sandra Day O'Connor, Jean Marie le Pen, Rob Burrow, Shannen Doherty, Norman Tebbit, Jacques Delors, David Attenborough, Noam Chomsky, Marianne Faithfull, Sonny Rollins, Stanley Baxter, Randy Jackson, Norman Lear, James Earl Jones, Francoise Hardy, James Watson, Vera Miles, the Duke of Kent and David Graham. As usual, this is something for me to worry about, not you. ie: 10a) Our actual collated list will stick to the "25 from the previous year" rule. 10b) As a result, if our top fifty, after all votes have been counted, has more than twenty-five of the 2023 survivors (named for ease in Rule 10), then the lowest ranked excess survivors will be axed from the list in favour of The Fifty-First ranked celebrity and so on... 10c) Since we don't know if that'll be an issue until I actually do the counting, voters don't need to worry about limiting their personal lists to 25 survivors. It'd be nice if they did, but that's life. 11) Please pick living people. Folk do die before 1st January, but there were a few cases of people dead for a number of years chosen last time. Please do not pick animals, or ISIS prisoners, or kids, or any of the usual no go areas. 12) The Deathray Rule. If Deathers is reading this, he is more than welcome to find some way to get his usual 50 points for that bloody weatherman in! If that bloody weatherman doesn't get his formerly traditional 50 from a mystery person (ie, not you, TQR) then this rule will be retired in 12 months time. Anyhow, enjoy. Or not. Will Esther still be telling us That's Life in 2024?

It's to do with the licences for private railway companies expiring. That won't be relevant to already public entities. (Though if they want to push the price down of public transport feel free, I say.) Keep in mind a fair few sensible things in the manifesto already apply to Scotland (and iirc Wales) but Newcastle, Norwich and Toast Land didn't have devolution over the last fourteen years. I'm not sure how the energy company is going to work though imo it's in everyone's interest (including financially) to maximise the fuck out of the Scottish renewables set up.

It was used for a chant at the football back in the day. When I heard Pigbag I assumed at first it was a Jive Bunny type thing of an old piece but no, they wrote it!

I have no idea when Babylon 5 ended (the creator is a twit so I've never seen it) but that sounds about right. Did you ever see Strange? You'd like that one. Sky tried to make their own Charmed for the UK, Hex, which if memory serves was absolutely shite.

I'm surprised only because Charmed was talked up huge in sfx and other geek mags in our shared interests about twenty years ago. Mostly because folk fancied Shannen and the other one.

The DL drought is crazy given the surviving names. Imo when the dam breaks it's going to be like 2022 on steroids.

Brave dart still going? Had a number of health issues.

Oh I haven't started one of these for a likely future DL pick in ages. Writer, critic, rent-a-cynic, political philosopher and never off the TV pronouncer Noam Chomsky is 92 this year, and judging by this appearance last week on one of the online lefty news channels, is starting to show and sound his age after a long period of doing the old Dorian Gray thing. As someone who doesn't want to leave the limelight he'll do his continual aging in public, so here's a thread for him. And we can't have Gooseberry start all the A lister threads now...