in eternum+

And a shrubbery. And a juice bar.

I believe we're having a jacuzzi installed.

Oooooooh! Exciting!!

Don't like your sarcasm there Tempus Fugit. There are many people i'd like to meet and I suppose I would have liked to meet John Lennon is the flesh. No, I lost respect for Lennon when he changed his middle name from Winston to Ono. Whether you love Yoko or you hate her.. He honored his wife using her last name. Besides, don't know if I would want my middle name to be Winston either. Having been raised, in part, by an ex-pat Brit who was a hardcore Beatles fan - in particular JL - I grew up believing that Yoko Ono destroyed both John Lennon and the Beatles. And I believed it for many many years. However, when I first moved to England I went to Colchester for a visit. Whilst there, one of the local art galleries had a show of Ono's work. Going to see it made me realise that she was (is?) in fact a fantastic artist. I've subsequently seen some of her work at the Tate Modern, and really actually love it. I now believe that, although her career as an artist was propagated somewhat by her marriage to JL, it was more hindered by it: she changed from being Yoko Ono The Artist, to being Yoko Ono John Lennon's Wife.

Well folks, after what must have been an agonising several hours for our antihero Qualtoo, s/he has reappeared to edit once again. However, this time it was not the blanket deletion as per the many times before. No! It would appear that protagonist RMHED wore him/her down. Resultantly, Qualtoo has deined us worthy of four - that's four! - sentences. In this most recent edit, 10.02.06 @ 22:00, Qualtoo has allocated the following: Death List, dating to 1986, is unlike a dead pool, in that it is a list of fifty names on the list are chosen by a committee. Followers of Death List then track the well-being of the chosen celebrities over the course of the year. To qualify for a position, the person involved must have been famous enough for their death to be announced in the UK media, and that they were famous for more than just their impending death. The question is now: are we happy with this? By 'this', I do not mean the actual entry. What I mean is: Are we happy to allow Qualtoo to decide that these four sentences are entry enough? I again ask: who is this "Qualtoo" to decide what size entry the DL should have? On the other hand, is continuous warring really worth it? Is poor RMHED (who receives full snaps for effort, as far as I'm concerned) too battle-weary to continue? [Note: Have just read Qualtoo's entry again. It's really very poorly written. This person should not have editorial control over anything!] [Further note: Right. I've now edited the Wiki entry by improving the grammar and syntax. I couldn't let it lie - it was just so badly written!! I have not extended the DL section at all.]

If we provide the info, I hope you'll properly reference DeathList.net. Bet your teacher will be very impressed with your sourcework.

I still think it defeats the purpose if someone's Bacon number is above six. After all, you wouldn't need to try that hard to find that everyone in Hollywood has some distant connection to Kev.

For those of you unaware of the gripping drama currently unfolding in the world of Wikipedia, allow me to provide a play-by-play summation of the action thus far: 07.02.06 Nemesis Qualtoo "merges" the DL article into the Dead Pool article, as was the consensus of the previous vote. Qualtoo's "merge" at this point involves a complete deletion of anything DL related, less a weblink at the bottom of the Dead Pool page. 08.02.06 @00:40: Gretnagod addes the entire original DL article, stating: "Now its a proper merge, which was what the AFD vote decided." @00:44: Qualtoo removes GG's insertion in its entirety, stating: "'The Death List' is barely notable. It certainly does not deserve this much exposition." @00:45: Gretagod inserts this edit: and states: "Okay then, how about this much?" @00:47: Qualtoo removes edit, stating: "No, that is still way too much." @00:48: Gretnagod shortens edit even further, stating: "This much?" @00:52, Qualtoo states nothing, removing GG's last edit and adding the sentence: Another dead pool, the ''Death List'' (dating to 1987), is a list of fifty names selected by committee. 09.02.06 Throughout the day, various very small changes to the dead pool article are made by unnamed IP addresses, only to be altered by Qualtoo, who appears to be on a mission. Now this is where it gets really interesting: @19:38: RMHED re-adds the edit reprinted above, and over the course of the next couple of hours, a little tweaking occurs by RMHED and Gretnagod. But!... @23:47: Qualtoo deletes entire DL section, stating: "discussion of non-notable website, alexa ranking 114,621." So... @23:58: RMHED re-adds edit, stating: "Alexa ranking has increased significantly, and is likely to continue" @00:00: Qualtoo removes edit, stating: "discussion of non-notable website, alexa ranking *presently* 114,621" @00:10: RMHED re-adds edit, stating: "Deathlist feature deserves more prominence, due to unique nature" @00:12: Qualtoo removes edit, stating: "maybe so, but this non-notable website does not need half this article. low alexa ranking" @00:23: RMHED re-adds edit, stating: "I suggest then that you Quatloo expand the article on the dead pool" @00:46: Qualtoo removes edit, stating: "non-notable website, alexa ranking 114,621" @00:54: RMHED re-adds edit, stating: "unique dead pool variant website" And that, folks, is where things stand at the moment, as Qualtoo appears to have popped down the shops and is therefore not on hand to delete the re-entry. It is currently 1:22, so bets are on to see how long it'll be before Qualtoo is able to resume his/her campaign of terror in the DL/Dead Pool article. Now, I'm sure you're all wondering why I've elected to reprint the play-by-play here, given that y'all could simply log into Wiki and have a look for yourselves. Well, it's because I wanted to make it clear just how bizarrely obsessive Qualtoo (Note: Qualtoo... not me!) appears to be about the DL entry, for no apparent reason. I'd like you all to note as well the relatively weak reasoning s/he provides for the continuous deletions. Finally, I'd like to you also to note that it is ONLY Qualtoo - one individual!! - who is doing this! If we all banded together like the true 'family' I know we are, we could quash Qualtoo and his/her attempt to deny us the glory we deserve. Even if you couldn't give a toss about the DL entry in Wiki, as far as I'm concerned you should be fighting to save it exclusively out of principle. [PS. Is there any chance Qualtoo is IYG? I know next-to-nothing about the problems that led to IYG's banning from the DL, but I understand that it might have led to some bitterness? Could this be a revenge of sorts?]

So i've heard but I can really understand how that is possible since he has never registered? Wouldn't they simply ban his IP address?

Himler's been banned?! [intentionally blatantly sarcastic]Well isn't that a gosh-darn shame![/intentionally blatantly sarcastic]

I may be a bit old school, but shouldn't the highest bacon number be 6? After all, the whole point of the original conception is that everyone can be connected by six or less social network ties.

Go TF! I still don't get what right this Qualtoo being, as a single individual, has to change what is obviously the wishes of multiple individuals. Is there someone I can speak to about this? I can be very persuasive when need be... Ah yes, the parade...

Just heard on the CBC that two men have been arrested in relation to his murder. Good to see DvD still active and working. Would still like to see him on the DL, however.

Or mebby this: regards, Hein [nodding approvingly]Nnnniiiicccceee![/nodding approvingly]

Have you ironed your bikini yet? Oh yes.

I am posting this in favour of the 'dead'chat room, as some members seem to be dismissing it as 'irrelevant' or, worse yet, 'frivolous'. Based on a thoroughly useful discussion earlier in said chatroom, I have now subscribed to the Lakeside World Darts newsletter, in order to gets a heads-up on when tickets for the 2007 championship will become available. See? Not only entirely useful, but also inducing of action. Ted says: "It's chat-tastic!"

Yes. At this point, I think it only just to post an apology for earlier referring to Gretnagod in less than flattering terms. S/he has indeed completed quite a spectacular about-face. My apologies GG.

Fair enough. Do we all need to start referring to you as "Magere Hein The Wikipedian"?

I concur. MH - I've heard a little rumour about your alternative identity... You don't aspire to GGreatness, do you?

GO TEAM DEATHLIST! You give 'em where-to-for, CP! It's not that w*nker Gretnagod is it?

Spot Magere Hein

I'll have a look at it, but I don't promise results anytime soon. It's late and I've had a few beers. I think I can get something done after morning coffee. If NN sticks some edits in, I'm willing to review 'm. regards, Hein Ta!

Thought you said you wouldn't do it. Don't do anything nasty, it'll only get deleted anyway so what's the point?

Sounds good to me. I decided to become a DL/Wiki avenger more out of principle than anything else. But the current entry for DL on the Dead Pool page needs sorting as it refers to us as a dead pool, which I don't think we are. If you agree, will you please edit? Pretty please?

Edit Wiki. No. I just enjoy reading the Clive Dunn discussion page. The row abou the £1-a-bottle wine is rather amusing. MH, can you sort this out? Do you edit Wiki?