Tempus Fugit

Poor chap, what a shame.

Fingers crossed.

I wonder what the time on this one will be, lets see if we can get it back to GMT

Now it's working again,This is most iresome.

Yes now it's working, but I had to restart my PC for it to do so.

I don't think Zsa Zsa does much kicking these days, she's on her last legs and I reckon is a cert for this year.

I preferred Dudley Sutton when he played Mr Carter the history teacher in the Beiderbecke Trilogy I've bumped into Mark Wing-Davey (Zaphod Beedlebrox) and also Christopher Biggins up by Tower Hill, although not on the same day I've also remembered meeting 'Jonno' Coleman, the fat Aussie DJ, hardly a celeb, But what stood out was that he had an attractive girl on either arm, it's an unjust world.

Only two "celebs" that I've bumped into are Dudley Sutton (Tinker in "Lovejoy") and James Fleet (Hugo in "The Vicar of Dibley). I'm not counting politicians as celebs mind.

Myron Waldman, animator who worked on Betty Boop, Popeye, Superman and Caspar the Friendly Ghost cartoons. Has died aged 97.

Not if they're reduced to tricks as desperate as that. It might just bump them up from fourth to third on the bill at the punk revival festival in Morecombe this summer. Just under the adverts and well under Still Little Fingers, sort of thing. How can you have a comeback when you never made it in the first place? Still Little Fingers?? Stiff, surely.

Sorry, that's what I was trying to point out - ie that people cling to the idea of a supreme being because if you look at the Universe from a purely scientific point of view everyone might as well die now. People do indeed cling to belief structures in order to give external definition to their lives. But they also tend to believe that their lives have some purpose and meaning even if they are atheists, why is this I wonder? Surely this is just another form of illogical believe, as they cannot prove that their lives have purpose or meaning. Atheists are frauds, they believe, but are afraid to acknowledge this believe as relience on it scares them.

And this is always going to be the case because 99.99% of people in the world, etc, will live pointless lives it you look at it from outside this mortal coil. In terms of the Universe, we are all pointless because nothing we ever do will have a truly permanent impact. You are starting to sound Nihilistic, You can indeed argue that everything is ultimately futile, but where does this argument take you? It is an argument for inaction and stagnation. Better to believe in something than nothing.

Humanity already has latched on to something else - the acquisition of wealth. But even the wealthy aren't immune to the pull of religious belief, the money fails to fill a void that they perceive inside themselves. As the First World has become richer, its citizens have become more prone to depression and a sense of emptiness. Why is this I wonder, could it be that we have an inbuilt genetic need to believe in the supernatural/divine? A desire for meaning and purpose has always been at the root of human progress, a restlessness at the very heart of our being, was this placed there by a creator? Or is it part of evolutionary progress?

Agreed, but I hope this all goes further than freedom speech. Hopefully, people will start asking questions about whether religion has any point in the modern world. From an athiest point of view, it seems crazy that so much outrage can be created by pictures of some bloke who may or may not have existed 1,500 years ago. Are we really still at the stage where we believe in fables, old wives tales and legends? Surely not, and the world would be better if the sham of religion was nothing but a distant memory of a time when we thought the Earth was flat, etc. I'm speaking from an agnostic viewpoint, as neither atheist or religious believers can prove their argument. Mohammed definitely existed as did Jesus, it's just a case of whether you believe these individuals were divine, or not. People believe in all kinds of nonsense, the rise of so called New Age beliefs is a case in point, crystals, astrology, homeopathy,etc, etc. These, while not being monotheistic religious belief systems, are in their own way equally as grounded in belief, just less formalized. Would the world really be better if religion ceased to be a factor, or would humanity just latch onto something else to help sustain themselves in a cold dark universe.

Carsten knew what he was doing when he published those provocative cartoons, he's hardly some innocent, he did so to make a point on freedom of speech. I admire Carstens principles, I just don't think he possesses a great deal of common sense. He could have made his point in a less confrontational way. I just hope Carsten is ready to die for those freedom of speech principles, if not he shouldn't have poked the stick into the hornets nest.

Getting back to Carsten Juste, and away from Arab Israeli politics. I imagine Mr. Juste is looking very closely at the benefits of a name change and a swift relocation to somewhere very remote and unislamic, maybe Tonga. I don't think he can rely on protection from the Danish government, at least not in the long term. Islamic extremists have very long memories and will bide their time.

82 according to this site see here for explanation of his age All the news obituaries are saying he's 95. Wiki has also been changed back to dob of 1910.

Is a dead winer anything like a dead wino?

Yes, Al Lewis is no more, death finally staked the old vampire. I voted for Harold Pinter as there has been zero news on him for a couple of months.

Just updated the Wiki page, to reflect DeathList's latest success.

Al Lewis's death doesn't change the DDP leader, but it does make Grizly equal second with FPKKK, on 19 points.

Al Lewis is indeed dead heres an obit, http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/wi...ap-tv-headlines

Words aren't evil, but the intentions behind them may well be. Were your words said with ill intent sir?

This thread at least gives me a reason to post this bit of B3TA nonsense.

Or perhaps a sizeable chunk of it will be accidentally deleted.