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Dishwasher = Her sad wish (anagram)

Okay, if the sun wobbled or moved, then there are only three ways this could have happened: a.) The sun really did move about, altering its position in space and its orbit around the milky way. If it did move/wobble/jiggle or whatever, then this movement would have been measureable (and measured) by astronomers through its gravitational effects on all the planets of the solar system that didn't move. This option can be discounted because no such effects were noted by astronomors. And there were no other witnesses of the sun inexplicable moving around the sky from around the world on that day. b.) The sun remained in its existing orbit and, either the Earth jumped about or had its orientation/axial tilt altered. Again, this can be discounted because its effects would have been measured by seimographs the world over. The rapid acceleration/deceleration of the planet/its orientation would also have been noted by millions/billions of people. Also, the ensuing tsnuamis from the sloshing effect of the world's oceans would have been noted. So another "no" to this one. c.) If the sun didn't change its position, and the Earth didn't change its position/axial tilt, then the sun did not "dance." The fact that it is reported by eyewitnesses at the scene at Fatima and nowhere else, suggests that this was a localised phenomena; a phenomena that could only be related to people's perceptions. Now consider this: Is there any experimental double-blind peer-reviewed evidence that people's perceptions can be altered? Yes there is. People's perceptions can easily be altered in all sorts of ways, using all sorts of techniques and substances. Drugs, trickery, suggestion, sleep deprivation, etc. etc. Now, apply occam's razor here. a.) can be discounted. b.) can be discounted. And with c.) It is far likelier that this group's percentions were altered by some previously known and documented process, whatever that may have been. Far easier than for it to require the intervention of some supernatural power that has absolutely 0% experimental double-blind peer-reviewed evidence that it/she/he/they exist. I personally have no idea what caused the "perception" of these people to believe that the sun danced, but my money is firmly on something other than a divine power.

Oh, do shut up Notapotato. The only good use for a sheep is thinly sliced and placed on a BBQ. Anyway, the good thing about moving here is that the Kiwis get the rough end of the sheep jokes. Here's one such joke as an example... First bloke: I heard on the news that New Zealand's economy suffered terribly after the All Black's recent loss to the mighty Wallabies. Second Bloke: Yeah? How so? First Bloke: Well, the price of lamb hit a record low. It got down to $4.00 an hour.

And to be honest, this one's hanging by a, erm, oh never mind. Where's that delete button...?

...and you know this how?

That'd be me and two others then. Hmm, I wonder who they are...

I see without believing. I am blessed. Hurrah!

I'm not. I'm everybody's infidel. Whatever you believe, the chances of it being 100% correct are infinitesimally small, so you're all wrong. And because I know that you're wrong, I don't believe any of you--so I am everyone's infidel... Even my own, 'cause I don't believe my own crap opinions any more than you do.

They're big in Egypt apparently

waht a laod of bisluhlt. I cna't utsadernnd a fgnciukg wrod of tshoe jeblmud leertts.

Thanks for that. I can see that that's your view and I appreciate your honesty. The bible and its messages are very personal and can and often do mean very different things to different people. I interpret the verses very differently to the way you do. An interesting exercise nevertheless.

Come on Eileen. I'd like your interpretation of the verses and what they should mean to me.

A horse with a rather small man on its back.

Not to me it doesn't. So do me a big, big favour Eileen and explain this to me, in layman's terms, (and I mean, really, really, simple words here,) exactly what the message of these verses are, and what it means to me.

Christ on a bike! Haven't you heard of the comma? I've got no idea what that sentence is all about. One thing's for sure, if you can't be arsed to punctuate it, I can't be arsed trying to work it out.

I suspect the millions of which you speak would be Catholics regardless of who is Pope. JP2 or not. By virtue of being catholic they have no choice but to follow whoever the Pope is. It goes with the territory. Now, if millions of Hindus, Halibuts and Jews immediately convert to Catholicism as soon as the next Pope gets wheeled in, then I'd believe you when you say it's all because of one man. Until then, you're wasting air trying to convince me otherwise.

I think you'll find the "Saint" bit tends to give it away.

This is getting way, way off topic now, but... I agree Yeti and given that Soulchaser was talking of orbiting things, a Comet could technically come into it too. But all of the references I found to Niberu were specifically planetary. And something of planetary mass is not going to go unnoticed in our solar system. The only thing remotely near the size of a planet here is the volume of crap in Soulchaser's post.

Hold your horses HCW, he's not dead yet. It's not over until Mary Travers sings.

Your enthusiasm, I take it, being in no way related to the fact that he's your joker pick in the DDP? and the fact that I'm yet to get out of the blocks. A Sir Joh Joker would do nicely, and be a fitting tribute to a lifetime giving his all to serve others. A true public servant. Good on you. Now, on yer way...

Sir Joh was admitted to hospital today, unconscious and with breathing difficulties. He has since regained conciousness and is being treated for pneumonia. tick... tick... tock

Hmm, where to start with this one? Just to give Soulchaser a little bit of credit and not dismiss this out of hand, I did a quick google search for planet Niberu to see what s/he is talking about. The only references I could see for it were on what I would politely term "non-academic" "unscientific" and "conspiracy" web sites. Not the sort places that ground-breaking planetary discoveries are usually made. I looked on google because I've never heard of Niberu, which, because I'm a pretty keen astromer, I would have expected to have heard about such a thing if there really was one. Interesting to note that on pretty much all of these sites, they spelled this planet's name in many different ways (even on the same webpage sometimes). If this planet aims to "come back" into our solar system, that would indicate that it is in fact orbiting our sun, and is therefore a part of our solar system. Last time I checked we'd pretty much accounted for all of the planets there are within our sun's gravity well. If there was anything else planet-sized orbiting our sun, then its gravitational effects would have been noticed long ago and its location plotted. Maybe Soulchaser wasn't aware that this is how the planets Neptune and Pluto were discovered. I find it hard to believe that this doomsday planet could have been missed at the same time tiny Pluto's gravitational influence was noticed, predicted, plotted and located way, way out in the nether reaches. I'm also wondering exactly how and why Yellowstone National Park is going to be affected by this rogue planet "coming back" in 2012 too. Maybe the planet's gravitational effect (that as we've discovered is far too slight for it to be detected) is going to rend and tear at our planet from its distant orbit. Quite why it would affect planet Earth and not the much less massive planet of Mars is beyond me. And even if it did, why Yellowstone National Park? Surely such terrible gravitational tides would be global phenomenon? Ooh, how I wish Soulchaser would break his/her promise and come back to enlighten us all. I want to believe. I really do, but I'm beginning to think this might be one of those conspiracy-load-a-crap-pseudoscientific-mumbo-jumbo things. Tell me it's not so, Soulchaser.

It's easier if you look in the "who's not here" thread. If they're not there, then they're not here,

Dunno, but Billy Conolly seems to like it.

It really irks me that the religious and self-appointed moral guardians complaining to the Home Office, Tony Blair, the Derby Council, etc. about such things like the DDP, are simply trying to impose their "100%-correct-censored-god-fearing view of the world" on everyone else. It just gives me the absolute pips to hear that if you don't share their childlike black-and-white, good v's evil, simplistist view of the world, you must be 100% wrong, and they, in their own mind are 100% good, so you must therefore be 100% evil and stopped at all costs. Anyway, that's just my point of view. If you don't agree, you can go and get stuffed, because you're dead set wrong. Bloody pervert. I'm calling the Home Office to get you put under surveillance.