Grim Up North

Anti gun essay writer Sandra Parks killed by random drive by shooting at 13 I don't believe there is a Tragic Deaths thread. RIP

Death Slam Form Guide #16 He's 100. He's got Pancreatic Cancer. He's Joe Vento. But don't bet your house on him because his mum made it to 107.

Scotland were Jew a bit of luck in international football.

You will be saved by the non entry of TUM and Mad Hatter - happy Thanksgiving Joey!

Haha - well Devin Lima's totally fucked that up - pretty much the 10 teams beneath me all have Devin Lima including Blight House. Anonymity here I come!

Yeah somewhat controversially two team with 19 common names - fucking chancer!

First and second?? Joint first surely!

I know this is pathetic but I couldn't even be taking the photos!!

Do you have a link for the people who will be #360 to #380?

Anyone know what Sexual Assault without Touching is?

We are avid watchers of Mastermind and UniChall (wife always beats me at UniChall but she should - she went to Uni!) Anyhow when I retire if Mastermind is still going we plan to get the TV Magazine, pick two specialist subjects each and study them all week to see how we get on. We are very competitive with each other although winner used to get to decide if we had sex or not - now prize is who has to get up and make the cup of tea!

17 year old Sophia survives horror F3 crash She's got a fractured spine so may have a lot of complications but there are 3 videos of the crash on the attached link - one in slow mo but the two from the side at full speed shows how fast she was going - looks like she hit the accelerator instead of the brake! Amazing what people can survive.

The IMF bail countries out including Greece and Argentina recently - nothing to do with being in EU so that's one thing you can relax about.

Ah still interacting - good - I'll reply properly then. I voted to leave too. I don't think only Racists and Xenophobes voted to Leave because I'm not but as the vote was so close I believe that what became a crucial portion of the vote was driven by racism and xenophobia.

I thought you had no interest in interacting with me?

Probably a tablespoon?

I'm sticking up for her here - she had to do the press conference - the media and occasion demanded it but if she'd turned up and said something completely new after being grilled in the H of C for 3 hours it would HAVE been a bit odd wouldn't it? The deal is okay - the mandate from the public was 52:48 and only carried by xenophobes and racists. So basically we have a weak withdrawal from the EU to a position of EU- (which really matches the 52:48 close vote) and we have some control over immigration going forward and we have achieved ongoing free trade with Europe at the cost of £37 billion** which sounds a lot but we currently run at a deficit of about £8 billion a year so if we go back to being in EU then in 5 years we will be worse off, have free trade and have no control over our immigration. ** I'm not sure if YW 51 billion is a new number in public domain or he just got his sperm test results back.

In the original referendum the UK voted 52:48 to leave the EU (whatever that meant). According to a survey just prior to the referendum most members of the House of Commons are believed to have voted Remain in the EU referendum. Roughly 27:73 What we are now heading towards can therefore be no surprise - by giving the MPs a vote on ratifying a deal to leave the EU, something that 73% of them don't want to do, basically we were always going to end up in a No Deal leading to No Brexit scenario. If they are up to voting on Brexit now why were they not capable of making the decision in the first place? David Cameron is a fuckwit of the highest order. Detail party by party of survey results below (not surprisingly the Conservatives are the most conflicted). According to a survey of all 650 MPs carried out by the Press Association ahead of the referendum on June 23: :: 480 MPs said they would be voting Remain, including 184 Conservative :: 159 MPs said they would be voting Leave, including 139 Conservatives :: 11 MPs were undeclared, including four Conservatives This gives Remain a notional Commons majority of at least 310. Some 218 Labour MPs said they would vote Remain while just 11 backed Leave. All eight Liberal Democrat MPs intended to vote Remain, along with all 56 SNP MPs, all three Plaid Cymru MPs, all four Sinn Fein MPs and all three SDLP MPs. Green MP Caroline Lucas also said she would vote Remain, as did independent MP Sylvia Hermon and the two Ulster Unionist MPs. The eight DUP MPs said they would be voting to Leave, along with Ukip MP Douglas Carswell.

I'm not a big Theresa May fan but I would sympathise with her position generally except that she wasn't forced to become PM - she put her name forward to do the job which she must have known would be close to impossible. However despite all that I did feel genuinely sorry for her this morning as she publicly had to field a 3 hour dogging in the HofP - not nice for her at all and in some cases - JR-M being a prime example - it was unnecessarily nasty.

Or a word? It's omnishambles.

Yeah your post sums it up - everybody is outraged but nobody actually has the interests of the country in mind (apart from maybe Frank Field) - just their own agenda.

In a good well fought negotiation everyone should be unhappy when the deal is done. Apart from that I've read all the bullet points and actually I could go with it. 1) Immigration - we now have control if we want it. 2) Ongoing Free Trade with Europe 3) £37billion cost - but then it's free after that - so about a 5 year pay off on the net annual cost. 4) EU Rules - well they are just all fiddling at the edges of our lives - so what? As far as the Irish problem I have to confess I have serious brain drift when I try to understand what the solution is but as the Republic are happy with it I suspect the DUP won't be. I'm struggling to see which bit of the Agreement everyone is so outraged about?

This thread seems remarkably quiet all things considered - perhaps everyone is reading the 585 pages or enjoying the witch hunt? Based on the most exciting, gripping and well written novel I have ever read 585 pages would still take a few days to get through. I can't imagine the draft Brexit agreement is any of those things so none of these MPs are reading it all before tomorrow - they're just trying to pluck out a couple of sound bites to back the view they've had for months, whatever that might be - it's scandalous really.

Here's one to start you off! I was planning to follow this up with a photo of Herman Wouk too but on googling discover although he had three sons the first born died at age 5 and the other 2 are not yet 70.

Christ you forget how far safety has improved - that bit where the cars keep sliding off the track out of control and they've got a big van parked there and people running across the track to help - amazing no-one was killed.