En Passant

Please go back to that, you were far more fun.

It's pretty much the same in the UK.

The man is a narcissistic, over privileged, porn-star banging adulterer, very probable rapist, state secret ignoring, prick of the highest order. The only thing that slows down my disbelief that anyone at all could vote for him originally let alone a second time ... is ... well ... Boris. No he's obviously not as bad, but we're in a small garden greenhouse with a pile of stones here even if it's not quite the original crystal palace. Also, US gun laws, or lack thereof, make any such actions far more dangerous there than here or many other places. The world has gone quite quite mad.

Oh please.This would be an insult to Isaac Asimov, Arthur C Clarke, Larry Niven, Philip K Dick and countless others. Possibly if you filed it next to L Ron Hubbard though... hmm.

Yeah, this shit again. I'm far too uneducated regarding the finer details to form a proper, reasoned opinion about the rights and wrongs of the middle eastern conflict beyond the fact its basically a fight between two irreconcilable religions over essentially the same piece(s) of land for generations and that it's killed untold, mostly innocent, people on both sides in the process and shows little sign of ever being resolved. I do question why the hell we should get involved with it on one side or the other from half a world away. Yet it does appear that for politicians with waning power war is a great booster - getting all that national pride to overcome your local squabbles about the price of energy or trains or a can of beans. Any war seems to do, not just WW1/WW2 but Falklands, Iran, Iraq etc...

To be fair, my understanding is missiles moving at supersonic speeds over the short distance to Gaza are nigh on impossible to stop. The drones and cruises sent from Iran were subsonic and going far further? I also wondered what Iraq and Jordans take on this would be since these things would fly across them. My knowledge is limited though, it's quite hard to find actual facts amongst all the emotive reporting. Edit: That's not to detract from your political point of course.

Tell me about it, does that even cover the standing charges now? (I hate standing charges, grr). Compared to what the media keep reporting as 'average' mines not bad and it's pushing 3 times that.

Well, it wasn't quite a challenge, but fair play @Clorox Bleachman I accept that whilst I haven't much liked what I have heard, decrying what I haven't is grossly unfair. You'll need to give me a week though, as if I'm going to do it I won't cheat, it's a reasonably long list and I need to be in the frame of mind to treat it fairly, also a bit busy for a few days. But I'll get to it.

I could vote for them in a poll and care where they end up. Just to take it out of that thread. Goddamn I'm old. Sorry. Oh and there's absolutlely loads more, that's about 10 mins of trawling for something better than Sheeran Swift or your latest boy band or K-pop . I know, I know, but seems to me at least there's some variety (and no rap :P) off to search for a decent rap, I may be some time.

Just an example. After Dark Side, Animals. etc etc, Seconds Out, The damned, Ian Dury, whatever. We got this. It's not perfect, but fuck me, nothing today seems to come close. I appreciate everyone has said this since swing in the 40's, Elvis in the 50's and The Beatles in the 60's...... Am I just old? And wrong? I don't know. But I cannot get into Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift in the same way. And what else is there? Sorry Edit: Anyway, enough of my shite, I'm digressing unfairly. Back to it

I was a prog rock fan when young, couldn't get enough of Floyd, Early Genesis, Hawkwind even. And the 80's seemed then, and still today, a souce of wonderful innovation there was all sorts. Then in the 90's by god there were some tunes in the world of 'trance' for want of a better term. Electronica, Punk, New Wave, you name it, there was just such variety. Yes there was crud but you could avoid it. Now? Aside from one or two possible tracks at best it's banal or.......rapped up tracks of old. I'm not saying I yearn for the return, or the grave, but (a few odd tracks aside) I find it hard.

I've considered that previously, but, it just doesn't feel right, I mean if a track were that good, I'd surely get to hear it anyway? I just don't know. It doesn't help that I have a massive distaste for most things that are 'rap'. I appreciate the skill I just don't like it. I have plenty of younger friends via whatever foolishness on their part or mine, and rap is just the thing lately and despite my best efforts, musically it just leaves me cold. I might try a skim. We'll see.

It's not even that I wouldn't like some of them perhaps, just the way things are delivered since (I dno? 2k? maybe?) means I just never hear most of it. Certainly not qualified to vote, so won't.

Nope, apparently still too old. NEXT! edit: I do actually know MJ's Man in the Mirror - Trouble is that just makes it worse.

Humble request, please please if you're quoting an enormous foregoing post, cut it down to size a bit? My eyes, my eyes!

Post of the day. * *It's not big, it's not clever and it impresses absolutely nobody. But sometimes I really cannot help myself.

Diligence.

Livingbygrace implies that it would be perfectly ok if the perpetrator had done whatever evil thing it was they actually did (I still can't work out what exactly tango was on about) had they not been a christian. It only disgusts her because it's stated about a christian. You doubled down on that. Neither of you explicitly said, "Oh it's ok if this is done by a non-christian" but you didn't have to, it's implied. If you don't see that, well, you don't. There's no more I could say really. Edit: for what it's worth, tango has made a fair few inflamatory posts from what I read of them but I don't generally respond to that kind of troll seriously, you see far too many on here. So it's not like I'm taking sides against you, I'm not.

Reminds me of a similar previous manifesto including the classic x A firm public commitment to replace the aging Nuclear Deterrent at a cost of £100 Billion x1 An equally firm private commitment to save £100 billion by not buying anything - they're secret nuclear submarines, who's going to know? *obviously not verbatim, but cba to trawl for it.

Are you serious? This is exactly what you were (both) doing even if you considered you weren't doing it explicitly. There's a reason I couched my response as causing offence rather than in some other way (even though as stated it's not my preferred style) - I used it precisely because people make these statements blithely without considering the implication of their comment in a wider context. Your view (and livingbygraces) may well be that tango attacked christianity directly and you are merely defending it. But your response needs amending if you want to avoid others reading it the same way I did. To be crystal clear, I am not agreeing with the position of the OP (Tango854), to be honest I'm not entirely certain what point he was trying to make. Since this thread has long ago gone to the dogs anyway, I'm also not apologising for posting here

This sort of protectionism gets right up my nose. See also "Prosecco" "Parmesan" "Feta" etc etc. It's simply a licence to rip the customer off and prevent competition. For once I agree with an American perspective on these Geographic Indicators.

The two are not mutually exclusive. No, it isn't, because, as above. I find the idea that christians (or any other religion) somehow stand on higher moral ground by default than those who do not believe offensive. I don't generally care for the 'I'm offended' argument but I'll make an exception.

That wasn't my first thought.

It's just a bit of a pity it took this to get support to drain away faster. Reminds me too much of the old adage about 10,000 dead in some third world country = 100 in Europe = 10 in UK/USA = 1 royal or similar. Still mystifies me that the apparent slaughter of thousands of civilians including kids doesn't seem to cut it. I keep thinking I'm missing something or reading the events wrongly somehow.

Yes. It's not quite as mad as calling a game football where the only foot that ever touches it is a kickoff, field goal or punt.