Octopus of Odstock
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The military leader of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Dahduh in an explosion.
Maybe not famous per se, but a death that might have repurcussions in that region.
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Any player to be called up to play for the national squad has made the grade. Even if they're called up 4 times like OsgoodShould've been 40. But then, Ramsey & Revie didn't really like all those show players. The likes of Bowles, Osgood, Hudson, Charlie George etc - should really have got more caps if talent is a virtue. Even though John Hollins, Osgood's team-mate, was no showman, he only won 1 cap. It amazes me how some players in the England team tonight have simply racked up cap after cap, but hey, that's an discussion for another time.
Osgood was part of the George Best era of footballers who were sublimely talented, for those of you who don't know who he is. I think the reason it is big news is many, many people have either lost a hero or suddenly feel very old all of a sudden.
Nice to see the Anfield crowd clap, then observe a minutes silence AND respect the opposition's anthem, but that too is for a discussion elsewhere...
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Couldn't see it listed but did anyone see that Charlie Wayman former Newcastle United striker also died this week at the age of 84 ?Well, as you've mentioned it, yes, and so has Hungarian footballer Ferenc Bene, who scored 3 goals in the 1966 World Cup. Wayman also played for Southampton, so that's two dead players in two days for them.
Firstly, thanks for the birthday mentions.
Now, you could argue that this lady should be a "Not famous.. but", but as she was my secret weapon for my 2007 DDP as I felt no-one would choose her if she was still living, I'll put her down here:
I noticed her when The Times announced her 100th birthday in November & I thought... mmm.. good possibility here as not on Genarians, famous enough for Times Birthdays, definitely alive AND ancient.
Shame she had to go in February then.
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You didn't put your birthday in your profile....Didn't want to. But it's on my birth certificate, so it can be proved.
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Peter Osgood (ex Chelsea footballer) has died.What?!!
No!!!!!
On my birthday too. Bugger. Great footballer. 59 is no age at all.
With this & Linda Smith, it's been a sad few days.
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I think a thread with the subtitle Don Knotts has died is quite enough notice for most people. Besides, most of us have Wiki Recent Deaths or Google News Search or something else to alert us, so it's not like you were bringing us a scoop.
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McGavin will be there, just give it time. Although more famous in the US, he's been in enough films to warrant enough obits here.
Puzlman's Passing Picks are the most notable scorers, now on 18 - the Raven & Eternity Tours both now on 14 & Mr C's joker takes him to 13.
Looks like it might be a brilliant scrap for second this year, but who knows?
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actor Don Knotts has died at 81.You will remember him from the Andy Griffiths showOh, will I?
I've never seen it!! However, I have heard of him vaguely. Wrong thread again, anyway, Iain.Sad to hear about McGavin though. Always good entertainment
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Oh would you please? That would so exciting and enjoyable!Okay, here we go..
Wanda B. Aamot, 95, resident of Dundee, Oregon
Mary E Aarant, 92, resident of Nacoghoches, Texas
Bradley A. Abbott, 40 - very tragic...
Thing is, if the three had been posted on recent deaths on Wikipedia, you'd known about them via Iain!
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Tempus, both count, they're just busy at the moment, I should imagine. I would expect to see it up in the next few days - after all, it doesn't really matter if its a few days late when there's still 10 months to go!
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Oh but come now Windsor. You've never heard of all those people. Surely if someone posts a death up here, they've at least heard of them...I was being sarcastic.....
Yes Windsor, I know. It was subtle criticism of a certain someone else and their multiple death postings...
The trouble is that someone else doesn't understand subtle.
If everyone would like, based on Iain's criteria, I can post all 120,386 names listed in the Social Security Death Index who died in January 2006......
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No glitz & glamour from me but I do wish you a very happy birthday
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Apparentely not a cert, but someone brought this up in the 2007 Ideas thread, so it might be a good time to discuss if he's on people's minds.No. In fact I took him off the DDP longlist completely as he's cancer free and apart from the fact he can't speak is quite healthy.
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I'd be surprised if you do. "World's 11th oldest person dies" isn't that exciting a headline bar her local area.
Paul, Genarians get their info from www.grg.org who decide who is oldest etc, so you can take it as read they are dead if they come up on the Genarians site.
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Somewhat surprised to hear of film star Osa Maasen's death. Not in itself, she was 90, after all, but that she died on January 2nd & it wasn't more publicised - in her day she was relatively famous in her field.
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Ronald Neame, cinematographer,producer,screenwriter and director of some classic British films of the 30's and 40's. Also director of "The Poseidon Adventure".Born in 1911, got to be a reasonable bet for '07.
Agree with Ward Baker, I thought he had died until I checked the Genarians website.
Neame is remarkably good health & form given his age. I can see him possibly reaching 100 if he continues as he is doing.
Another name from that period, Sally Gray has just turned 90. She too could be a decent bet.
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Only just noticed the Marquess of Ely has died, so that's another unique pick hit for Go Green.
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A kinda personal one here -
I used to live & work in Crete & they love their legends. Mostly ancient Greek legends, like Zeus but they are proud of how they fought against the Germans in WW2. They delighted in any victory, even as small as Max Schmeling breaking his leg when parachute jumping because of the morale it had on the Germans.
Perhaps the most famous of these was George Psychoundakis who wrote the book "The Cretan Runner" along with (now Sir) Patrick Leigh Fermor.
Maybe not a household name, but his book was an excellent tale of real-life war & I'm very sorry to see him go, although one had been part expecting it.
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O Of O presents useful tips - note, some of these are famous for not just Grand Prix:
Paul Pietsch, b. 1911
Oldest living GP driver. In good health & active, despite age. Has 40-50% chance of obit as more of a survivor than a legend.
Emmanuel de Graffenried b.1914
Still healthy, but increasingly frail. Obit certain, partly due to winning the 1949 British GP.
Paul Frere b. 1917
Man is more active than me! In excellent health, well known racing journalist as well.
Robert Manzon b. 1917
Again, in good health, but again, getting a little more frail. Was one of the top immediate post-war drivers - may get an obit, but never won a GP & French, so... difficult to say
John Fitch b. 1917
Only started two GP's, but one of the best known of all the living elderly drivers. Would get obituaries in the States without a problem, the UK... possibly... Excellent health though.
Tony Rolt b. 1918
Discussed above. Frailer. Le Mans winner, war hero & 4-wheel drive developer. Definite obit.
Andre Guelfi b. 1919
Another man whose fame is greater than his GP career - just one racer. Likely to get an obit on the BBC as he was the man who was embroiled in the Elf Aquaitaine scandal & very well known in France. Also had a role in the IOC. In good health though.
Hans Klenk & Eric Thompson b. 1919
Both are in reasonable health. Klenk was a constructor/sportscar ace, Thompson had a few GP's & worked at Lloyd's & ran his bookshop. However both have only a slim chance of an obit.
Andre Simon b. 1920
Outside chance of an obit - 25% at best. Was famous in his day, but largely forgotten in motor racing circles, so globally, unlikely. "Okay" health last I heard.
Tony Crook b. 1920
Head of Bristol Cars. Definite Obit in broadsheets. Health... pretty good at the moment. Sharp as a tack anyway.
Tony Gaze DFC AOM b. 1920
Living Aussie legend. WW2 fighter ace whose motorsport involvement was a small part of his life, but even then he left a big mark, a man who helped Goodwood flourish as a motorsport venue. In excellent health, however, both mind & body.
Les Leston b.1920
Founded a hugely successful racewear business, which along with his motorsport career might be enough for an obit. Much frailer now, health is solid though.
Kenneth McAlpine OBE b.1920
Member of McAlpine construction family & Connaught racing. Obit assured, health is, again, solid.
Roy Salvadori b. 1922
One of Britain's best drivers in the 1950's. Obit certain, but again, Roy is quite healthy at the moment, lives in Monaco.
Leslie Marr Bt. b. 1922
More famous as an artist. Definite obit, of which racing would be a small mention. No known health scares, but a little more frail recently.
Jose Froilan Gonzalez b. 1922
Definite obit, first man to win a GP for Ferrari & one of the top 50's racers. Not in brilliant health, has had heart surgery & is overweight. Active though, despite this.
Carroll Shelby b. 1923
Has had heart trouble but since transplant in 1990, pretty good. Overweight, though. Likely to get an obit due to his fame in US & also sportscars.
Roberto Mieres b. 1924 & Maria Teresa de Fillippis b. 1926
Mieres is a well known sportsman who has a slim chance of a broadsheet obit, de Fillippis more so due to her being the first woman in F1. Both, however, are in absolutely superb health.
Sir Jack Brabham b.1926
Overweight, deaf but in excellent health - no known scares. Still active & as a ex-World Champion, definite obit everywhere
Phil Hill b. 1927
Like Brabham, obit assured. Last time I saw him, he was in excellent health.
John Rhodes b. 1927
Might well get an obit due to being a legend in club racing. This would be broadsheet only, kinda news in brief etc. Was in good health a few years back, but I haven't heard much of him last few years
Lloyd Ruby b. 1928
Now suffering from cancer & very poorly. Obit? Well, in US, yes. UK might have a mention somewhere, but I'd put it 35% chance only.
Hans Herrmann b. 1928
Obit possible due to relative fame in his day. But, despite overweight, another in fine health.
Sir Stirling Moss b.1929
Perhaps the most famous living driver, obit certain. Has had prostate cancer, but recovered. A little frailer than before as a result, but I don't see him going just yet, too active.
Guy Ligier b.1930
Although a rugby international & F1 ace, his road cars assure him an obit. Health is good, but his legendary temper plus being overweight make him a heart-attack waiting to happen sometimes!!
Because of the relative good health of most of the above, they're not on my DDP list - but some are. There are some excellent suggestions for the DL there & for the DDP, as some, if I don't choose them, will probably be unique picks - the sporting world is under-represented...
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The site cited above is awesome, it also suggests Emmanuel de Graffenried b 18 May 1914 Paris, France is alive and well.Before my time, if we heard rumours of his health failing is he famous enough for our needs?
Firstly, "Toulo" is still doing well health-wise, but he's getting a little more frail. Hardly surprising, I suppose.
He would be famous enough for DL & DDP's needs. He won the 1949 British GP & during the late 1940's, was one of the more successful drivers. He remained in the F1 paddock for years after that, and would get an obituary in at least the Times or Telegraph as Doug Nye often does specialist obits. I know Doug & I know he has a "list of obituaries" as such, which are on tap for usage when the required person dies.
de Graffenried is as famous as Trintignant was, on a global scale. Trintignant's death was well covered by the UK media generally.
Paul Pietsch, now 94, is a possible. However, despite his age, he is doing brilliantly & although he is the last really famous pre-war driver alive in motor racing circles, I'm not sure about his global fame.
The reason I chose Tony Rolt in my DDP is because he's a lot frailer than before, and he would definitely get an obituary in most papers & probably the BBC.
If you really want to take a risk, try John Paul Jr., a US sportscar & Indianapolis 500 driver who's got cancer, Doug Serrurier, now in his mid 80's & ill, a car builder who is famous enough in his field, as two alternative choices.
By the way, as an update the list M.Lawrenson posted on oldest drivers still alive, well, all of those on there are still alive as somewhat amazingly, taking age into account, no GP driver has died since last June.
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What?
From the link:
sometimes seems as if her Golden Girls co-stars Betty White and Rue McClanahan are part of that welding.
"We see each other quite a bit," Arthur says. "We're always meeting somewhere to sign DVDs or participate in some event. Unfortunately, Estelle (Getty, who played the mother) can't be with us because of her health, but we have a good time. I will always remember that show as one of the best parts of my life."
That's what I call 3 of them doing well & the other one not so....
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Peter Osgood Dies
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Not when capping them for England, he didn't.
Indeed, you must remember most of his Leeds show players weren't English like Giles etc.
Only when dear old Joe Mercer took the reins as a caretaker boss that the likes of Osgood etc. got a go. Mercer had nothing to lose so picked the most talented players & just sat back & enjoyed.
I think Revie thought that England & Leeds were too different in importance & perhaps in tactics to have the same outset. Looking back, it looks like he got it badly wrong.