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  1. Octopus of Odstock

    This Is Your Life

    Nice idea for a thread, but why not include those from the BBC years? I haven't gone through all the names but Tommy Steele, Petula Clark and Olivia de Havilland are all in there and alive.
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    Time Added

    Star? The poor lad never played first team football for Forest, let alone was one of their star players. Hasnt even got a Wiki page. Tragic ending though.
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    The Chequered Flag

    Zanardi: Update of sorts, none of it particularly positive. https://www.motorsport.com/general/news/zanardi-undergoes-second-neurological-operation-/4814128/?utm_source=home-page-widget&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=widget-1
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Jaroslav Pollak of Czechoslovakia (1970) is dead, link is in Czech. Older than LFN and Toast, younger than Prince Phillip.
  5. Octopus of Odstock

    Political Frailty

    I've been mightily impressed with Rishi Sunak during all this turbulence. Not least as he didn't even have time to prepare or plan due to Javid seemingly doing a Cameron and bailing out early.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Zaire's Kilasu Massamba played against Petkovic et al in 1974 and he also died last week. Sorry about font size as I'm on the phone and haven't the foggiest how to amend it. Obit - https://actualite.cd/2020/06/25/rdc-champion-dafrique-1974-et-mondialiste-la-meme-annee-victor-kilasu-massamba-est
  7. Octopus of Odstock

    The Chequered Flag

    I think that's the crux of it. Zanardi's heart and body will keep going, naturally or artificially. But if he's brain dead, I feel that Daniela will let nature do is course and let him go. But they will only do that if that's the only option. Schumi is not brain dead and whilst he isn't who he was, he can function to some limited degree. Here's hoping for a better outcome but I doubt it will occur.
  8. Octopus of Odstock

    The Chequered Flag

    Not sure why you think that. Here's a bit more from the hospital that very much says death is a possibility. https://www.motorsport.com/general/news/alex-zanardi-hospital-prognosis-surgeon/4809765/
  9. Octopus of Odstock

    The Chequered Flag

    Alex is one of my very few genuine heroes. I fear the worst simply as his body went through such trauma all those years ago. This reminds me more of Andrea de Cesaris' fatal accident.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Updated lists. Numbers going down relatively rapidly from a few years ago. People highlighted in red are those I'm 99% certain are still alive. 1950 World Cup – 6 survivors MexicoPlayerDoB/Age 1Antonio Carbajal(1929-06-07)7 June 1929 (aged 21) ChilePlayerDoB/ Age 9Manuel Muñoz(1928-04-28)28 April 1928 (aged 22) 12Andrés Prieto(1928-12-19)19 December 1928 (aged 21) ItalyPlayerDoB/Age 8Giampiero Boniperti(1928-07-04)4 July 1928 (aged 21) -2Attilio Giovannini(1924-07-30)30 July 1924 (aged 25) ParaguayPlayerDoB/Age 9Darío Saguier(1926-09-11)11 September 1926 (aged 23) Definitely all dead: Brazil, Uruguay, Spain, Sweden, England, USA Believed all dead (but no information to confirm); Bolivia, Switzerland, Yugoslavia 1954 survivors – 32 Definitely all dead: Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Brazil France No......Pos......Player...........................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 1........1GK.....François Remetter.......(1928-08-08)8 August 1928 (aged 25)..........4..............FC Metz Mexico No......Pos......Player.....................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 1........1GK.....Antonio Carbajal....(1929-06-07)7 June 1929 (aged 25)..............11...........FC León 7........4FW....Alfredo Torres.........(1931-05-31)31 May 1931 (aged 23)............3.............Atlas 9........4FW....José Luis Lamadrid.(1930-07-03)3 July 1930 (aged 23)..............5.............Necaxa 16......3MF.....Pedro Nájera...........(1929-02-03)3 February 1929 (aged 25)......0............Club América West Germany No......Pos......Player..................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 6........3MF......Horst Eckel..........(1932-02-08)8 February 1932 (aged 22)......8.............1. FC Kaiserslautern Turkey No......Pos......Player...................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 2.......2DF......Rıdvan Bolatlı........(1928-12-02)2 December 1928 (aged 25).....2............MKE Ankaragücü SK 10.....4FW.....Burhan Sargun.....(1929-02-11)11 February 1929 (aged 25).....5............Fenerbahçe SK 12.....1GK.....Şükrü Ersoy..........(1934-01-14)14 January 1934 (aged 20).......3............Vefa SK 15.....3MF.....Mehmet Dinçer......(1933-02-20)20 February 1933 (aged 21).....0...........Fenerbahçe SK 17.....2DF.....Naci Erdem............(1931-01-28)28 January 1931 (aged 23).......0...........Fenerbahçe SK 18.....2DF.....Kaçmaz Akgün.......(1935-02-19)19 February 1935 (aged 19).....1..........MKE Ankaragücü SK 22.....4FW....Coşkun Taş............(1935-04-23)23 April 1935 (aged 19)............2..........MKE Ankaragücü SK Korea Republic 3.......2DF.......Park Jae-Seung....(1923-04-01)1 April 1923 (aged 31).............0.............Seoul Army Club Uruguay No......Pos......Player...................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 2........2DF.....José Santamaría...(1929-07-31)31 July 1929 (aged 24)............3.............Nacional 6........3MF....Roberto Leopardi...(1933-07-19)19 July 1933 (aged 20)............3.............Nacional 18......4FW...Rafael Souto..........(1930-10-24)24 October 1930 (aged 23).......4...........Nacional 20......4FW...Omar Méndez.........(1934-08-07)7 August 1934 (aged 19)..........3...........Nacional Austria No......Pos......Player...................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 17.....3MF.....Alfred Teinitzer........(1929-07-29)29 July 1929 (aged 24).............0...........Linzer ASK Scotland No......Pos......Player.......................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 3.......2DF.....Jock Aird.....................(1926-02-18)18 February 1926 (aged 28)....2.............Burnley 5.......2DF.....Tommy Docherty.........(1928-08-24)24 August 1928 (aged 25)........5.............Preston North End 7.......3MF.....Doug Cowie................(1926-05-01)1 May 1926 (aged 28)..............6.............Dundee 19.....4FW....Jimmy Binning*............(1927-07-25)25 July 1927 (aged 26)............0............Queen of the South 22.....4FW....Ian McMillan*...............(1931-03-18)18 March 1931 (aged 23)........3............Airdrieonians Only 13 members of the squad actually travelled. Binning & McMillan were not required to travel and stayed at home. England No......Pos......Player.......................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 16.....3MF.....Albert Quixall.............(1933-08-09)9 August 1933 (aged 20)..........3...........Sheffield Wednesday 22.....4FW....Harry Hooper*...........(1933-06-14)14 June 1933 (aged 21)............0...........West Ham United Only 17 of the 22 official squad members actually travelled. Hooper stayed at home awaiting a call if the need arose. It did not Switzerland 19....4FW.....Marcel Mauron..........(1929-03-25)25 March 1929 (aged 25)...........0............FC La Chaux-de-Fonds 22....4FW.....Roger Vonlanthen.....(1929-02-13)13 February 1929 (aged 25)......0............Grasshopper-Club Zürich Italy No......Pos......Player.......................DoB/Age........................................................Caps.......Club 9........4FW....Carlo Galli.................(1931-03-06)6 March 1931 (aged 23)...........2.............Roma 13......2DF....Ardico Magnini...........(1928-10-21)21 October 1928 (aged 25)......4.............Fiorentina 18......3MF....Gino Pivatelli.............(1933-03-27)27 March 1933 (aged 21)..........0............Bologna 19......4FW...Giampiero Boniperti..(1928-07-04)4 July 1928 (aged 25)................22..........Juventus 1958 –70 survivors West Germany No......Pos.......Player..............................DoB/Age 4........3MF.......Horst Eckel.....................(1932-02-08)8 February 1932 (aged 26) 12......4FW......Uwe Seeler.....................(1936-11-05)5 November 1936 (aged 21) 17......2DF.......Karl-Heinz Schnellinger...(1939-03-31)31 March 1939 (aged 19) 18......3MF.......Rudi Hoffmann*...............(1935-02-11)11 February 1935 (aged 23) 20......2DF.......Hermann Nuber*.............(1935-10-10)10 October 1935 (aged 22) 21......1GK......Günter Sawitzki*..............(1932-11-22)22 November 1932 (aged 25) Players no. 18-21 did not travel to Sweden. Northern Ireland No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 7.........4FW.....Billy Bingham................(1931-08-05)5 August 1931 (aged 26) 11.......4FW.....Peter McParland...........(1934-04-25)25 April 1934 (aged 24) 22.......4FW.....Bobby Trainor*..............Unknown Czechoslovakia No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 2.........2DF.......Gustav Mráz.................(1934-09-11)11 September 1934 (aged 23) 3.........3MF......Jiří Čadek......................(1935-12-07)7 December 1935 (aged 22) 8.........4FW.....Milan Dvořák.................(1934-11-19)19 November 1934 (aged 23) 9.........4FW.....Pavol Molnár.................(1936-02-13)13 February 1936 (aged 22) 14.......4FW.....Jiří Feureisl...................(1931-10-03)3 October 1931 (aged 26) 17.......2DF.....Titus Buberník................(1933-10-12)12 October 1933 (aged 24) 18.......3MF.....Adolf Scherer..................(1938-05-05)5 May 1938 (aged 20) Argentina No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 10......4FW......Alfredo Rojas................(1937-02-20)20 February 1937 (aged 21) 15......2DF.......David Acevedo..............(1937-02-20)20 February 1937 (aged 21) 18......4FW......Norberto Boggio............(1931-08-11)11 August 1931 (aged 26) 21......4FW......José Sanfilippo..............(1935-05-04)4 May 1935 (aged 23) 22......4FW......Osvaldo Cruz.................(1931-05-29)29 May 1931 (aged 27) France No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 2........1GK.......Dominique Colonna......(1928-09-04)4 September 1928 (aged 29) 3........1GK.......François Remetter........(1928-08-08)8 August 1928 (aged 29) 7........2DF.......Robert Mouynet.............(1930-03-25)25 March 1930 (aged 28) 8........3MF.......Bernard Chiarelli............(1934-02-24)24 February 1934 (aged 24) 16......4FW......Yvon Douis.....................(1935-05-16)16 May 1935 (aged 23) 17......4FW.....Just Fontaine...................(1933-07-18)18 July 1933 (aged 24) 22......4FW.....Maryan Wisnieski.............(1937-02-01)1 February 1937 (aged 21) Yugoslavia No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 11.......2DF......Vladimir Popović............(1935-03-17)17 March 1935 (aged 23)) 19......4FW.....Radivoje Ognjanović.......(1933-07-01)1 July 1933 (aged 24) Paraguay No.......Pos.......Player..........................................DoB/Age 13.......2DF.......Luis Gini......................................(1935-10-31)31 October 1935 (aged 22) 18.......4FW......Gilberto Penayo...........................(1933-04-03)3 April 1933 (aged 25) 120.......4FW......José Raúl Aveiro..........................(1936-07-18)18 July 1936 (aged 21) Scotland No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 2.........2DF......Tommy Docherty...........(1928-08-24)24 August 1928 (aged 29) 10.......3MF......Doug Cowie..................(1926-05-01)1 May 1926 (aged 32) Sweden No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 7.........4FW.....Kurt Hamrin...................(1934-11-19)19 November 1934 (aged 23) 9.........4FW.....Agne Simonsson...........(1935-10-19)19 October 1935 (aged 22) 15.......3MF.....Reino Börjesson............(1929-02-04)4 February 1929 (aged 29) 22.......4FW....Ove Olsson....................(1938-08-19)19 August 1938 (aged 19) Wales No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 7.........4FW......Terry Medwin...............(1932-09-25)25 September 1932 (aged 25) 11.......4FW......Cliff Jones....................(1935-02-07)7 February 1935 (aged 23) 14.......2DF.......Trevor Edwards...........(1937-01-24)24 January 1937 (aged 21) 15.......2DF.......Colin Baker..................(1934-12-18)18 December 1934 (aged 23) 22.......3MF.......George Baker..............(1934-04-06)6 April 1934 (aged 24) Hungary No.......Pos.......Player...........................DoB/Age 17.......4FW.....Mihály Vasas.................1933 19.......4FW.....Zoltán Friedmanszky......Unknown 20.......4FW.....József Bencsics.............(1933-08-06)6 August 1933 (aged 24) 21.......4FW.....Máté Fenyvesi...............(1933-09-20)20 September 1933 (aged 24) Mexico No.......Pos.......Player..................................DoB/Age 1.........1GK.....Antonio Carbajal (captain)...(1929-06-07)7 June 1929 (aged 29) 2.........2DF.....Jesús del Muro.....................(1937-11-30)30 November 1937 (aged 20) #4.........2DF.....José Villegas........................(1934-06-20)20 June 1934 (aged 23) 10.......4FW....Crescencio Gutiérrez............(1933-10-26)26 October 1933 (aged 24) 15......3MF......Guillermo Sepúlveda............(1934-02-28)28 February 1934 (aged 24) Brazil No.......Pos.......Player......................................DoB/Age 5.........3MF.....Dino Sani...................................(1932-05-23)23 May 1932 (aged 26) 7.........4FW....Mário Zagallo.............................(1931-08-09)9 August 1931 (aged 26) 10.......4FW....Pelé...........................................(1940-10-23)23 October 1940 (aged 17) 13.......3MF.....Moacir.........................................(1936-05-18)18 May 1936 (aged 22) 18.......4FW....Mazzola.......................................(1938-07-24)24 July 1938 (aged 19) 22.......4FW....Pepe............................................(1935-02-25)25 February 1935 (aged 23) Soviet Union No.......Pos.......Player......................................DoB/Age 7.........4FW......German Apukhtin....................(1936-06-12)12 June 1936 (aged 21) 9.........4FW......Nikita Simonyan (captain)........(1926-10-12)12 October 1926 (aged 31) England No.......Pos.......Player......................................DoB/Age 1.........1GK......Colin McDonald.......................(1930-10-15)15 October 1930 (aged 27) 3.........2DF.......Tommy Banks..........................(1929-11-10)10 November 1929 (aged 28) 7.........4FW......Bryan Douglas........................(1934-05-27)27 May 1934 (aged 24) 16.......2DF......Maurice Norman.......................(1934-05-08)8 May 1934 (aged 24) 20.......3MF......Bobby Charlton........................(1937-10-11)11 October 1937 (aged 20) 22.......4FW.....Maurice Setters*.......................(1936-12-16)16 December 1936 (aged 21) Austria No.......Pos.......Player......................................DoB/Age 9.........4FW.....Hans Buzek..............................(1938-05-22)22 May 1938 (aged 20) 17.......3MF......Ernst Kozlicek..........................(1931-01-27)27 January 1931 (aged 27) 21.......3MF......Ignaz Puschnik.........................(1934-02-05)5 February 1934 (aged 24) 1962 – 127 survivors Soviet Union 9 MF Nikolai Manoshin 6 March 1938 (aged 24) 11 MF Yozhef Sabo 1 March 1940 (aged 22) 19 FW Viktor Ponedelnik 22 May 1937 (aged 25) Yugoslavia 1 GK Milutin Šoškić 31 December 1937 (aged 24) 6 DF Vladica Popović 17 March 1935 (aged 27) 11 FW Josip Skoblar 12 March 1941 (aged 21) 15 MF Željko Matuš 9 August 1935 (aged 26) 19 GK Mirko Stojanović 11 June 1939 (aged 22) 21 FW Nikola Stipić 18 December 1937 (aged 24) 22 MF Aleksandar Ivoš 28 June 1931 (aged 30) Uruguay 4 DF Omar Méndez 11 May 1938 (aged 24) 7 FW Domingo Pérez 7 June 1936 (aged 25) 8 MF Julio César Cortés 29 March 1941 (aged 21) 12 GK Luis Maidana 24 February 1934 (aged 28) 14 DF Rubén Soria 23 January 1935 (aged 27) 16 DF Rubén González 17 July 1939 (aged 22) 18 MF Ronald Langón 6 August 1939 (aged 22) 22 FW Guillermo Escalada 24 April 1936 (aged 26) Colombia 2 GK Achito Vivas 1 March 1934 (aged 28) 10 MF Rolando Serrano 13 November 1938 (aged 23) 12 MF Hernando Tovar 7 June 1938 (aged 23) 18 FW Eusebio Escobar 2 July 1936 (aged 25) 22 FW Jairo Arias 2 November 1938 (aged 23) West Germany 3 DF Karl-Heinz Schnellinger 31 March 1939 (aged 23) 4 DF Willi Schulz 4 October 1938 (aged 23) 5 DF Leo Wilden 3 July 1936 (aged 25) 7 MF Willi Koslowski 17 February 1937 (aged 25) 9 FW Uwe Seeler 5 November 1936 (aged 25) 15 MF Willi Giesemann 2 September 1937 (aged 24) 18 MF Günther Herrmann 1 September 1939 (aged 22) 21 GK Günter Sawitzki 22 November 1932 (aged 29) 22 GK Wolfgang Fahrian 31 May 1941 (aged 20) Chile 2 DF Luis Eyzaguirre 22 June 1939 (aged 22) 4 DF Sergio Navarro 20 November 1936 (aged 25) 8 MF Jorge Toro 10 January 1939 (aged 23) 11 FW Leonel Sánchez 25 April 1936 (aged 26) 12 GK Adán Godoy 26 November 1936 (aged 25) 16 DF Humberto Cruz 6 December 1934 (aged 27) 19 FW Braulio Musso 24 May 1937 (aged 25) 22 GK Manuel Astorga 16 March 1943 (aged 19) Italy 1 GK Lorenzo Buffon (captain) 19 December 1929 (aged 32) 2 DF Giacomo Losi 9 November 1935 (aged 26) 6 MF Giovanni Trapattoni 17 March 1939 (aged 23) 8 FW Humberto Maschio 20 February 1933 (aged 29) 9 FW José Altafini 24 July 1938 (aged 23) 11 FW Giampaolo Menichelli 29 June 1938 (aged 23) 13 GK Enrico Albertosi 2 November 1939 (aged 22) 14 FW Gianni Rivera 18 August 1943 (aged 18) 15 FW Angelo Sormani 3 July 1939 (aged 22) 16 DF Enzo Robotti 13 June 1935 (aged 26) Switzerland 9 FW Roberto Frigerio 16 May 1938 (aged 24) 10 DF Fritz Kehl 12 July 1937 (aged 24) 12 FW Marcel Vonlanthen 8 September 1933 (aged 28) 19 FW Gilbert Rey 30 October 1930 (aged 31) 20 MF Roger Vonlanthen 5 December 1930 (aged 31) 22 GK Kurt Stettler 21 August 1932 (aged 29) Brazil 10 FW Pelé 23 October 1940 (aged 21) 11 FW Pepe 25 February 1935 (aged 27) 17 MF Mengálvio 17 December 1939 (aged 22) 18 FW Jair da Costa 9 July 1940 (aged 21) 20 FW Amarildo 29 June 1939 (aged 22) 21 FW Zagallo 9 August 1931 (aged 30) Czechoslovakia 2 DF Jan Lála 10 September 1936 (aged 25) 7 MF Jozef Štibrányi 11 April 1940 (aged 22) 8 FW Adolf Scherer 5 May 1938 (aged 24) 9 FW Pavol Molnár 13 February 1936 (aged 26) 11 FW Josef Jelínek 9 January 1941 (aged 21) 14 FW Václav Mašek 21 March 1941 (aged 21) 16 DF Titus Buberník 12 October 1933 (aged 28) Mexico 1 GK Antonio Carbajal (captain) 7 June 1929 (aged 32) 2 DF Jesús del Muro 30 November 1937 (aged 24) 3 DF Guillermo Sepúlveda 28 February 1934 (aged 28) 4 DF José Villegas 20 June 1934 (aged 27) 11 FW Isidoro Díaz 14 March 1940 (aged 22) 14 MF Pedro Romero 12 April 1937 (aged 25) 15 DF Ignacio Jáuregui 31 July 1938 (aged 23) 16 MF Salvador Farfán 22 June 1932 (aged 29) 18 FW Alfredo Hernández 18 June 1935 (aged 26) 21 FW Alberto Baeza 6 December 1938 (aged 23) Spain 1 GK José Araquistáin 4 March 1937 (aged 25) 2 GK Salvador Sadurní 3 April 1941 (aged 21) 3 GK Carmelo 6 December 1930 (aged 31) 4 FW Enrique Collar 2 November 1934 (aged 27) 5 MF Luis del Sol 6 April 1935 (aged 27) FW Francisco Gento 21 October 1933 (aged 28) 13 DF Pachín 28 December 1938 (aged 23) 16 DF Severino Reija 25 November 1938 (aged 23) 17 DF Rodri 8 March 1934 (aged 28) 0 18 MF Adelardo 26 September 1939 (aged 22) 19 DF José Santamaría 31 July 1929 (aged 32) 21 FW Luis Suárez 2 May 1935 (aged 27) 22 MF Martí Vergés 8 March 1934 (aged 28) Hungary 3 DF Kálmán Mészöly 16 July 1941 (aged 20) 11 FW Máté Fenyvesi 20 September 1933 (aged 28) 12 DF Kálmán Sóvári 21 December 1940 (aged 21) 17 FW Gyula Rákosi 9 October 1938 (aged 23)) 20 FW László Bödör 17 August 1933 (aged 28) 21 GK Antal Szentmihályi 3 June 1937 (aged 24) England 5 DF Peter Swan 8 October 1936 (aged 25) . 6 MF Ron Flowers 28 July 1934 (aged 27) 8 FW Jimmy Greaves 20 February 1940 (aged 22) 1 FW Bobby Charlton 11 October 1937 (aged 24) 15 DF Maurice Norman 8 May 1934 (aged 28) 17 MF Bryan Douglas 27 May 1934 (aged 28) 18 FW Roger Hunt 20 July 1938 (aged 23) 19 FW Alan Peacock 29 October 1937 (aged 24). 20 MF George Eastham 23 September 1936 (aged 25) Argentina 3 DF Silvio Marzolini 4 October 1940 (aged 21) 5 MF Federico Sacchi 9 August 1936 (aged 25) 6 DF Raúl Páez 26 May 1937 (aged 25) 8 FW Martín Pando 26 December 1934 (aged 27) 9 FW Marcelo Pagani 19 August 1941 (aged 20) 10 FW José Sanfilippo 4 May 1935 (aged 27) 14 DF Alberto Mariotti 23 August 1935 (aged 26) 16 MF Antonio Rattín 16 May 1937 (aged 25) 17 DF Rafael Albrecht 28 August 1941 (aged 20) 20 FW Juan Carlos Oleniak 4 March 1942 (aged 20) 21 MF Ramón Abeledo 29 April 1937 (aged 25) 22 FW Alberto González 21 August 1941 (aged 20) Bulgaria 4 MF Stoyan Kitov 27 August 1938 (aged 23) 5 DF Dimitar Kostov 26 July 1936 (aged 25) 8 DF Dimitar Dimov 13 December 1937 (aged 24) 1 FW Dimitar Yakimov 12 July 1941 (aged 20) 12 DF Dobromir Zhechev 12 November 1942 (aged 19) 22 FW Georgi Nikolov 1 May 1931 (aged 31)
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    I've always been doubtful about some of the alleged surviving 1950's footballers but never been able to find anything concrete. Until now. Luis Mayanes, 'alive' at 95 - died in 1979, aged just 54. https://www.partidosdelaroja.com/1970/01/lindorfo-mayanes.html However, the two other Chileans listed as alive - Andres Prieto and Manuel Munoz are still with us according to the same site which is quite comprehensive and updated often. I am now pretty confident that the 6 listed alive: Carbajal (Mexico), Prieto and Munoz (Chile), Saguier (Paraguay) and Boniperti and Giovannini (Italy) are very much with us. There is some doubt whether there are Bolivian, Yugoslav or Swiss survivors, due to records not being as good, but the majority of them are definitely dead.
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    Political Frailty

    Willz, Miracle Aligner did the very same list as you did about a month ago. In fact, MA went a little bit further, doing anybody over the age of 70. I can only presume you've blocked MA's posts and hate to think you spent hours on something already just a few posts up.
  13. Octopus of Odstock

    Political Frailty

    I'm confused why we now have two identical lists of former MP's? Great research both of you but surely better just to have one list.
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    FIFA World Cup Players

    Hans Cieslarczyk, German player in 1958, has died. Obit in German. https://www.badische-zeitung.de/trauer-um-den-ehemaligen-fussballnationalspieler-hans-cissy-cieslarczyk--186265584.html
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    The Chequered Flag

    Two for the price of one. Former F1 driver Eppie Wietzes has died of heart failure https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/149922/obituary-eppie-wietzes--19382020 Also gone is Porsche engine design guru Hans Mezger at the age of 90. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/legendary-porsche-engineer-hans-mezger-has-died
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