Life Begins at 5 o'clock

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 10,000 Leagues a Kirk Douglas feature? Perhaps it's the start of a trend.

Continuing the McD link, is that warning not about as pointless as the 'Caution: HOT' warning that has to be put on the side of a McCoffee/McApple pie? well TLC, you must be something of a newbie to the forum, as there was a fascinating debate last year about the McDonald's coffee law suit, in which a woman scalded by a cup of McDonald's coffee she had placed between her legs while driving won a fairly hefty payout. Although it was arguable she shouldn't have got a penny due to her own stupidity, the broader point emerged that McDonald's used to serve their coffee at abnormally high, and therefore potentially dangerous, temperatures. The only foodstuff hotter than McDonald's coffee known to man is the McDonald's apple pie, whose delicious sweet centre has been known to reach upwards of 4,000 degrees F. Ergo, the warning labels, presumably to help McDonald's avoid litigation when someone sets fire to their tongue. It's true. Last year, my little sister accidentally melted away most of her tongue. We took the matter to a local lawyer but were told we had no case because the warning lets MacDonalds could sell pie hotter than the core of the sun. I was very disappointed.

I spend all day pushing papers. It's only a matter of time before I too succumb. This sense of my own impending doom, the pain and suffering, has undoubtedly contributed to my grim preoccupations.

Here's a little DDP analysis... I've listed all of the selections of 100 years or older who have not died. It comes out to 32 people. (There were some entries that were listed without a birthyear, so I've omitted them, though some are undoubtedly greater than 100 - the WWI veterans in particular). So, the experiment I'm going to do is track the top 20 remaining centurians to see how many die before the end of the year, keeping a point total. The maximum score that would generate is 84 (20 people x 5 points per person = 100 points - 20 points for everyone being over 80 + 4 points for the joker. Because I'm not doing anything original in terms of finding people I'm not going to assess points for uniqueness. I'm interested to see how that point total will compare with the eventual winner. Since there are several people from 1903 in the pool, the year that correspondes with the 20th pick, I'll use Johannes Heesters as the last pick because that person is first alphabetically. The joker will be Frank Scarrabelloti because he is the oldest man in Australia and I like Australians. DDP Selections 100 yo or older 1. Maria Esther de Capovilla (1889) 2. Elizabeth Bolden (1890) 3. Emiliano Mercado del Toro (1891) 4. Henry Allingham (1896) 5. Frank Scarrabelotti (1896)*Joker 6. Ruby Mohammad (1897) 7. Harry Patch (1898) 8. Leila Denmark (1898) 9. John Campbell Ross (1899) 10. Boris Efimov (1900) 11. William Stone (1900) 12. William Roberts (1900) 13. Fredrica Sagor Maas (1900) 14. Harry Newcombe (1900) 15. Phillip D'arcy Hart (1900) 16. Claude Choules (1901) 17. Helen Gardiner (1901) 18. Hugues Cuenod (1902) 19. Brook Aster (1902) 20. Johannes Heesters (1903) 21. Mykola Kolessa (1903) 22. Arthur Marshall (1903) 23. Edward Upward (1903) 24. Phyllis Whitney (1903) 25. Jock Wilson (1903) 26. Eva Curie (1904) 27. Ruth Bernhard (1905) 28. Mary Glory (1905) 29. Stanley Kunitz (1905) 30. Charles Lane (1905) 31. Albert Hoffman (1906) 32. Kazou Ohno (1906)

I've been wondering something...perhaps someone out there can help me out... When they buried Mr. Lewis, do you think they cut off his head, placed it in the coffin backwards, filled the mouth with garlic, covered the body with white roses, drove a stake through his heart and deposited the coffin in a body of water with a strong current? Seems only prudent given how much of his career success was due to the exploiting his connection to the occult and black arts.

Well, having covered the obscure do-nothings of the Nobel Prize, I think it's time to explore the important and famous of the Academy Awards. Starting off: Academy Award Winners for Best Actor 1. Ernest Borgnine 1955 2. Charlton Heston 1959 3. Maximilian Schell 1961 4. Sidney Poitier 1963 5. Paul Scofield 1966 6. Cliff Robertson 1968 7. Gene Hackman 1971 8. Jack Nicholson 1975 9. Richard Dreyfuss 1977 10. Jon Voigt 1978 11. Dustin Hoffman 1979 12. Robert De Niro 1980 13. Ben Kingsley 1982 14. Robert Duvall 1983 15. F. Murray Abraham 1984 16. William Hurt 1985 17. Paul Newman 1986 18. Michael Douglas 1987 19. Daniel Day-Lewis 1989 20. Jeremy Irons 1990 21. Anthony Hopkins 1991 22. Al Pacino 1992 23. Tom Hanks 1993 24. Nicolas Cage 1995 25. Geoffrey Rush 1996 26. Roberto Benigni 1998 27. Kevin Spacey 1999 28. Russell Crowe 2000 29. Denzel Washington 2001 30. Adrien Brody 2002 31. Sean Penn 2003 32. Jamie Foxx 2004 33. Philip Seymour Hoffman 2005

Is it a real award? Did I already post this list? Who knows. Anyway, here are your economics prize winners. I need a bottle of water, I've had a beer too many. Winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics 1. Paul Samuelson 1970 2. Kenneth Arrow 1972 3. Milton Friedman 1976 4. Lawrence Klein 1980 5. James M. Buchanan Jr. 1986 6. Robert Solow 1987 7. Maurice Allais 1988 8. Harry Markowitz 1990 9. William Sharpe 1990 10. Ronald Coase 1991 11. Gary Becker 1992 12. Robert Fogel 1993 13. Douglass North 1993 14. John Nash 1994 15. Reinhard Selten 1994 16. Robert Lucas 1995 17. James Mirrlees 1996 18. Robert Merton 1997 19. Myron Scholes 1997 20. Amartya Sen 1998 21. Robert Mundell 1999 22. James Heckman 2000 23. Daniel McFadden 2000 24. George Akerlof 2001 25. Michael Spence 2001 26. Joseph Stiglitz 2001 27. Daniel Kahneman 2002 28. Vernon Smith 2002 29. Robert Engle 2003 30. Clive Granger 2003 31. Finn Kydland 2004 32. Edward Prescott 2004 33. Robert Aumann 2005 34. Thomas Schelling 2005 Apparently yes. My apologies.

Many artists show a preoccupation with death...goya and poe come to mind, tim burton, Willie the Mall Santa. The strong emotions and whatnot are very condusive to creativity...or something. And, might I add, with few exceptions (Gerald Ford) everybody is going to die. Everyone has a premonition of their own death.

Tonight, Jerome McElroy died. RIP http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/...nment-headlines

As I don't speak British...what is a Scouser?

Here is a somewhat useful site for finding if someone is still alive. It's really kind of shocking to see how many wrestlers die in their 40's. Even the oldest ones are only living into their 60s. I think I might put Dusty Rhodes on my DDP team next year. Fat man, occupation is a wrestler, he's five easy points. http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/decwres.htm

No, I disagree. Isn't it like, um, rain on your wedding day? Or... a free ride when you're already late? Or... I beg to differ with you. I think irony is actually something like the relationship between knives and spoons as they are connected through the desire of an individual. The probabilty of getting a green light when you are already hopelessly behind schedule also provides clues as to the nature of irony. But that is for philosophers.

How many of them are left now? They're starting to get ticked off the register at a fair lick these days... Case in point about the relativity of fame. Apparently this group is famous, however I have no idea who they are or what they do, aside from apparently being musicians. I wouldn't consider them famous though. I'd put them below the most obscure of the Nobel winners. But someone that doesn't care about science or politics the way that I do might find them completely unknown.

Winners of the Nobel Peace Prize 1. Mohamed ElBaradei 2005 2. Wangari Maathai 2004 3. Shirin Ebadi 2003 4. Jimmy Carter 2002 5. Kofi Annan 2001 6. Kim Dae Jung 2000 7. John Hume 1998 8. David Trimble 1998 9. Jody Williams 1997 10. Jose Ramos Horta 1996 11. Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo 1996 12. Shimon Peres 1994 13. Nelson Mandela 1993 14. Frederik Willem de Klerk 1993 15. Rigoberta Menchu 1992 16. Aung San Suu Kyi 1991 17. Mikhail Gorbachev 1990 18. Tenzin Gyatso 1989 19. Oscar Arias 1988 20. Elie Wiesel 1986 21. Desmond Tutu 1984 22. Lech Walesa 1983 23. Adolfo Perez Esquivel 1980 24. Betty Williams 1976 25. Mairead Corrigan 1976 26. Henry Kissinger 1973 27. Norman Borlaug 1970 Here's some more fun for everyone. I note that of all the Nobel winners, this group experiences assassination far more frequently than any other.

Nobel Prize Winners in Literature 1. Harold Pinter 2005 2. Elfriede Jelinek 2004 3. J.M. Coetzee 2003 4. Imre Kertesz 2002 5. V.S. Naipaul 2001 6. Gao Xingjian 2000 7. Gunter Grass 1999 8. Jose Saramago 1998 9. Dario Fo 1997 10. Wislawa Szymborska 1996 11. Seamus Heaney 1995 12. Kenzaburo Oe 1994 13. Toni Morrison 1993 14. Derek Walcott 1992 15. Nadine Gordimer 1991 16. Naguib Mahfouz* 1988 17. Wole Soyinka 1986 18. Gabriel Garcia Marquez 1982 19. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1970 The least hardy of any category.

Barmy, completely barmy.

Winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics 1. Paul Samuelson 1970 2. Kenneth Arrow 1972 3. Milton Friedman 1976 4. Lawrence Klein 1980 5. James M. Buchanan Jr. 1986 6. Robert Solow 1987 7. Maurice Allais 1988 8. Harry Markowitz 1990 9. William Sharpe 1990 10. Ronald Coase 1991 11. Gary Becker 1992 12. Robert Fogel 1993 13. Douglass North 1993 14. John Nash 1994 15. Reinhard Selten 1994 16. Robert Lucas 1995 17. James Mirrlees 1996 18. Robert Merton 1997 19. Myron Scholes 1997 20. Amartya Sen 1998 21. Robert Mundell 1999 22. James Heckman 2000 23. Daniel McFadden 2000 24. George Akerlof 2001 25. Michael Spence 2001 26. Joseph Stiglitz 2001 27. Daniel Kahneman 2002 28. Vernon Smith 2002 29. Robert Engle 2003 30. Clive Granger 2003 31. Finn Kydland 2004 32. Edward Prescott 2004 33. Robert Aumann 2005 34. Thomas Schelling 2005 Well, we're in the right thread this time.

To paraphrase, "science is either Physics or Stamp collecting." I play the game of DDP standards, to steal a phrase from paleontology, there are some real fossils among the ranks of the Nobel Prize winners. Everyone seems like they're pushing 80.

I've got to disagree. When someone wins an award of this type, they get an automatic international obit. Honestly, I've only heard of a handful of the people that are winners, dead or alive. Honestly, is famous Lauren Hester (I'm not even sure that's her name, I'm talking about the HIV positive Gay activist police officer from New Jersey.) She still apparently got a UK obit, points were awarded.

Nobel Prize Winners in Chemistry 1. Yves Chauvin 2005 2. Richard R. Schrock 2005 3. Robert Grubbs 2005 4. Irwin Rose 2004 5. Avram Hershko 2004 6. Aaron Ciechanover 2004 7. Roderick MacKinnon 2003 8. Peter Agre 2003 9. Koichi Tanaka 2002 10. John Fenn 2002 11. Kurt Wuthrich 2002 12. K. Barry Sharpless 2001 13. Ryoji Noyori 2001 14. William S. Knowles 2001 15. Hideki Shirakawa 2000 16. Alan MacDiarmid 2000 17. Alan J. Heeger 2000 18. Ahmed Zewail 1999 19. Walter Kohn 1998 20. Jens Christian Skou 1997 21. John Walker 1997 22. Paul D. Boyer 1997 23. Harold Kroto 1996 24. Robert Curl 1996 25. Frank Sherwood Rowland 1995 26. Mario Molina 1995 27. Paul Crutzen 1995 28. George Andrew Olah 1994 29. Kary Mullis 1993 30. Rudolph Marcus 1992 31. Richard Ernst 1991 32. Elias Corey 1990 33. Thomas Cech 1989 34. Sidney Altman 1989 35. Hartmut Michel 1988 36. Robert Huber 1988 37. Johann Deisnhofer 1988 38. Jean-Marie Lehn 1987 39. John Charles Polanyi 1986 40. Yuan T. Lee 1986 41. Dudley R. Herschbach 1986 42. Jerome Karle 1985 43. Herbert Hauptman 1985 44. Robert Bruce Merrifield 1984 45. Aaron Klug 1982 46. Roald Hoffmann 1981 47. Frederick Sanger 1980 48. Walter Gilbert 1980 49. Paul Berg 1980 50. Georg Wittig 1979 51. William Lipscomb 1976 52. John Cornforth 1975 53. Ernst Fischer 1973 54. Manfred Eigen 1967 Well, that's the last of the hard sciences. Only three more categories to go. Too late I've realized that this should be on the other thread. My apologies.

"that it doesn't even resemble imitative imitational imaginary imitation truth" Amen.

It'd be fun to be burned as a heretic or fighting a lion. Most likely though I'll probably wind up being cut loose from my space craft (because of my terminal disease I'll be willing to sacrifice myself for others, probably the only time in my life) while my comrades continue their journey back to Earth without me. Either that or somebody will through a bunch of fifty cent pieces at me while I laugh manacially at them as they desperately cling to a girder to avoid being impaled on the scrap metal below. Said fifty cent pieces will cause me to lose my balance, and in a cruel twist of fate, it will be I who am impaled on the aforementioned scrap metal.

My dear Godot, it pains me to say this, but that last post was below the standards of a Deathlist forum. I'm afraid that it cannot count towards your post total. Regretfully, Life Begins

Before I retire for the night, one last submission to obsession... Nobel Prize Winners in Physics 1. Willis Lamb 1955 2. Tsung-Dao Lee 1957 3. Chen Ning Yang 1957 4. Donald Glaser 1960 5. Rudolf Mossbauer 1961 6. Charles Townes 1964 7. Murray Gell-Mann 1969 8. John Robert Schrieffer 1972 9. Leon Cooper 1972 10. Brian David Josephson 1973 11. Ivar Giaever 1973 12. Leo Esaki 1973 13. Antony Hewish 1974 14. Ben Roy Mottelson 1975 15. Aage Bohr 1975 16. Samuel Ting 1976 17. Burton Richter 1976 18. Philip Anderson 1977 19. Arno Allan Penzias 1978 20. Robert Wilson 1978 21. Steven Weinberg 1979 22. Sheldon Lee Glashow 1979 23. Val Fitch 1980 24. James Cronin 1980 25. Kai Siegbahn 1981 26. Nicolaas Bloembergen 1981 27. Kenneth Wilson 1982 28. Carlo Rubbia 1984 29. Simon van der Meer 1984 30. Klaus von Klitzing 1985 31. Heinrich Rohrer 1986 32. Gerd Binnig 1986 33. Karl Muller 1987 34. Johannes Georg Bednorz 1987 35. Jack Steinberger 1988 36. Melvin Schwartz 1988 37. Leon Lederman 1988 38. Hans Dehmelt 1989 39. Norman Ramsey 1989 40. Richard Taylor 1990 41. Jerome Friedman 1990 42. Pierre-Gilles de Gennes 1991 43. Georges Charpak 1992 44. Joseph Hooton Taylor Jr. 1993 45. Russell Alan Hulse 1993 46. Martin Perl 1995 47. Robert Coleman Richardson 1996 48. Douglas D. Osheroff 1996 49. David Lee 1996 50. William Phillips 1997 51. Claude Cohen-Tannoudji 1997 52. Steven Chu 1997 53. Daniel Tsui 1998 54. Horst Ludwig Stormer 1998 55. Robert Laughlin 1998 56. Martinus Veltman 1999 57. Gerardus ‘t Hooft 1999 58. Herbert Kroemer 2000 59. Zhores Alferov 2000 60. Carl Wieman 2001 61. Wolfgang Ketterle 2001 62. Eric Allin Cornell 2001 63. Riccardo Giacconni 2002 64. Masatoshi Koshiba 2002 65. Raymond Davis 2002 66. Anthony James Leggett 2003 67. Vitaly Ginzburg 2003 68. Alexei Alexeyevich Abrikosov 2003 69. Frank Wilczek 2004 70. H. David Politzer 2004 71. David Gross 2004 72. Theodor Hansch 2005 73. John Hall 2005 74. Roy Glauber 2005

Yea...Arum sounds more defeated then Ali. I'd put him on the list before I put Ali on.