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It's fascinating watching people debate who's classed as a must have person on the list and who isn't. I can't quite definitively make up my mind. Senior royals IE Queen and Prince Philip yes and when appropriate in the future Charles and Camilla But less senior royals whilst desirable probably not strictly must haves eg The Duke of Gloucester, Duchess of Kent etc For me the debate isn't really just about who's a must have but rather what percentage of the list should strictly speaking be must haves? I suppose the issue is how we rank and classify people who aren't the must haves. That then leads onto how we decide amongst the non must haves who is desirable for the list and there's no way objectively to keep everyone happy on that because of the subjectivity of it all versus the sheer quantity of possible candidates! I have no answers as such just pondering! I think I'd keep Stan Lee though because his achievements are still afresh and dynamic in popular culture and his marvel universe isn't just something that was big in the past. Arguably though the committee could have afforded to have left him off the 2016 list and made space for someone else but hey ho it's done now.

Even if that one is true, surely the conspiracy nutters skeptics would be able to understand that reporting that she was attempting to commit suicide might have driven her to commit suicide and be more successful rather than get the help she needed and the news would almost certainly have reported had she died. No that story came from 2004.I'm referring to something quite different in 2003. As I recall it the "over Iraq" bit and "tried to kill herself" were hard to verify and it came down to a more plausible possibility that she had a bit of a meltdown in general and more acted out dangerous behaviour than made a serious attempt. Tbh I can't be arsed to dig into it again but the fact she didn't appear on a pile of dead pool teams the following year would suggest the hard evidence was never there in the first place. And, of course, she remains alive to this day. I didn't mention or raise Tony Blair's daughter because I felt that was inappropriate regardless of whether or not it's true. I just responded to another person who raised it and another who commented on it. I was a bit shocked that anyone mentioned it as that is something they had a moral right to keep private.

The tweet hasn't been deleted. The FB post might have been but the tweet hasn't been as I've just looked at it!

What a naughty video title!! Other rumours doing the rounds and gaining traction over the alleged d notice news blackout is Tony Blair.

The media didn't report when Prince Harry went to war so it can be done.

Even if that one is true, surely the conspiracy nutters skeptics would be able to understand that reporting that she was attempting to commit suicide might have driven her to commit suicide and be more successful rather than get the help she needed and the news would almost certainly have reported had she died. No that story came from 2004.I'm referring to something quite different in 2003. With respect it's quite hard to analyse your chosen conspiracy theory properly if you refuse to give information regarding it. I highly doubt the information is still banned from being reported, especially as the likelihood is you acquired it from the internet yourself, so you could easily link that source. Unfortunately I'm unable to engage in any form of meaningful debate about this matter unless you are able to explain to me what it is that I am actually supposed to be having some form of meaningful debate about, so far the only information you have managed to impart is that you believe something important was not reported whilst the Iraq war went on the reasoning for this not being reported is government interference and not the fact we were going to war and that was a bit busy dominating every news network. You also appear to argue that Blair was using the information that was not reported in his discussion of why we needed to go to war and his ultimately proven wrong defence about weapons, I therefore suggest that Blair would not have wanted to keep this information from the public if was that useful to him. In summary you make little sense and impart little information, making this discussion a waste of my time, to return the favour I have written this rather elongated and cumbersome reply in order to repay the favour by wasting some of your time as you feast your eyes upon what could have been a two sentence post. You can send your thanks to Not Arsed, Not Arsedville, Buttfucknowhere. Even if that one is true, surely the conspiracy nutters skeptics would be able to understand that reporting that she was attempting to commit suicide might have driven her to commit suicide and be more successful rather than get the help she needed and the news would almost certainly have reported had she died. No that story came from 2004.I'm referring to something quite different in 2003. With respect it's quite hard to analyse your chosen conspiracy theory properly if you refuse to give information regarding it. I highly doubt the information is still banned from being reported, especially as the likelihood is you acquired it from the internet yourself, so you could easily link that source. Unfortunately I'm unable to engage in any form of meaningful debate about this matter unless you are able to explain to me what it is that I am actually supposed to be having some form of meaningful debate about, so far the only information you have managed to impart is that you believe something important was not reported whilst the Iraq war went on the reasoning for this not being reported is government interference and not the fact we were going to war and that was a bit busy dominating every news network. You also appear to argue that Blair was using the information that was not reported in his discussion of why we needed to go to war and his ultimately proven wrong defence about weapons, I therefore suggest that Blair would not have wanted to keep this information from the public if was that useful to him. In summary you make little sense and impart little information, making this discussion a waste of my time, to return the favour I have written this rather elongated and cumbersome reply in order to repay the favour by wasting some of your time as you feast your eyes upon what could have been a two sentence post. You can send your thanks to Not Arsed, Not Arsedville, Buttfucknowhere. Lose your attitude please and whilst your at it read probably what I wrote which was the suppressed info wasn't about Iraq. Your not being asked by me to analyse anything I haven't asked you to engage in anything I have merely said that Blair is supposed to have issued d notices in 2003 citing the Iraq war as the reason why risking a fall of the government was a national and international security risk. The allegations and information he suppressed using the d notice is not about the Iraq war itself but about something that could in his view have caused the government to collapse at a sensitive time in our history. Think of it as a suppressed scandal within the governing party because many in the media wanted to publish this information and felt Blair used national security as a convient excuse to hide a potential scandal. Think expenses scandal but much more severe. I was just trying to illustrate that d notices and news blackouts are possible. Afterall the media doesn't publish routinely any sensitive classified intelligence they've come across. It's difficult but not as difficult as some think. A news blackout on a royal death for 24 hours is hardly a conspiracy theory.

Even if that one is true, surely the conspiracy nutters skeptics would be able to understand that reporting that she was attempting to commit suicide might have driven her to commit suicide and be more successful rather than get the help she needed and the news would almost certainly have reported had she died. No that story came from 2004. I'm referring to something quite different in 2003.

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death-Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true Simon Cowell is...dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I mean: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS. IF it's true there's a government ordered media blackout and it isn't a wild Internet theory then it's either going to be a prominent member of the royal family, A serving member of the cabinet or an ex PM IE Tony Blair or a notorious criminal like Ian Brady where for public order reasons they don't want to realise the news straight away. I doubt it's Simon Cowell lol! Media blackouts are issued all the time in the United Kingdom, it's why a lot of news articles are posted in the 00.00am to 02.00am period and have clearly been written the day before. I really hope the queen hasn't carked it, we'll have to cancel the New Years football matches. But famous deaths in the UK don't tend to be announced after midnight as a rule. I think you might be confusing media embargoes IE about someone leaving a TV soap or being cast in a show etc with media blackouts which are quite different especially if done by government by d notice I think I may have been. The government tends to embargo a lot of releases of policy decisions then. I tend to read the news in the early hours of the morning which was the only reason I mentioned embargoes. Is a blackout really feasible these days, someones bound to facebook/tweet it? I think their feasible if rarely used. It's not that a leak and speculation isn't a possibility but the MSM won't report or play ball if you like. It's harder than it used to be. Blair apparently issued some d notices in 2003 during or around the time of the Iraq war and the media never reported. I won't mention what their supposed to concern as I don't want to get into bother but the matters concerned have never been put into the public domain only on the fringes of the Internet. Blair is supposed to have cited the risk to national and international security if the UK government collapsed during the Iraq war if these specific pieces of information NOT connected to the Iraq war where published. So in the spirit of staying on topic that's an illustration that d notices or news blackouts can work on a long term basis never mind a short term one but I don't underestimate the difficulties.

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death-Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true Simon Cowell is...dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I mean: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS. IF it's true there's a government ordered media blackout and it isn't a wild Internet theory then it's either going to be a prominent member of the royal family, A serving member of the cabinet or an ex PM IE Tony Blair or a notorious criminal like Ian Brady where for public order reasons they don't want to realise the news straight away. I doubt it's Simon Cowell lol! Media blackouts are issued all the time in the United Kingdom, it's why a lot of news articles are posted in the 00.00am to 02.00am period and have clearly been written the day before. I really hope the queen hasn't carked it, we'll have to cancel the New Years football matches. But famous deaths in the UK don't tend to be announced after midnight as a rule. I think you might be confusing media embargoes IE about someone leaving a TV soap or being cast in a show etc with media blackouts which are quite different especially if done by government by d notice

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death-Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true Could be a Beatle...Possibly -A lot depends on if it's a government mandated d notice news blackout or just a blackout at family's request? But I wouldn't have thought the latter one was likely to hold as someone would want to be the first to break the exclusive news and I can't see the government using a d notice for a famous pop musicians death? Either that or I didn't catch your joke straight away Beatle being a pun on my phrase give legs lol!

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death-Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true And we're meant to believe some random on twitter with a couple of hundred followers, this is shameless self-publicity. The queens death would be blacked out until the morning after under traditional protocol if I remember correctly - but the idea that this bloke would know seems nutty. Although if someone could pinpoint the queens last photo op before she took ill it might help us determine whether she was likely to go anywhere. Show me where I said your meant to do anything? I'm just sharing the fact a rumour has taken hold and I'm letting people speculate, ponder, consider and make up their own mind. I havent decided myself How credible I find the claim to be.

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death-Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true Simon Cowell is...dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I mean: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS. IF it's true there's a government ordered media blackout and it isn't a wild Internet theory then it's either going to be a prominent member of the royal family, A serving member of the cabinet or an ex PM IE Tony Blair or a notorious criminal like Ian Brady where for public order reasons they don't want to realise the news straight away. I doubt it's Simon Cowell lol!

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/18133926-24-hour-media-blackout-in-uk-re-prominent-death- Actually this rumour is gaining ground online as talk about a UK media blackout for 24 hours on a high profile death swirls and there's speculation that if true it's the big one. Rumour seems to have been given legs by a DJ in Ireland Hope it's not true

I get what your saying because I love to read obituaries in the various broadsheets or to look down the deaths in year whatever list on Wikipedia.Why? Because you can learn so much about life, culture, people, history -just a wide range of lots and lots of topics. Especially if you make yourself read the obituary or information on somebody who you hadn't really heard of rather than just reading about the famous or notable people you like and are interested in. Often on Wikipedia looking through the profiles of the recently deceased has been a way of leapfrogging onto other new subjects and spheres I know little about. It can be a real exercise in broadening the mind. I like reading obituaries etc basically not because I'm morbid and love the subject of death but actually because I love and I'm interested in life and people. It's the life affirming aspect of it that draws me in. Not sure If I've articulated that as best I could but I think most of us on here are like that and on that spectrum rather than being just morbid souls interested in people dying!

I suspect that's how it will end up playing out. However I also feel the same but obviously to a lesser extent about the Queen's ex brother in law former hubby of Princess Margaret -Lord Snowden. He's 86 and doesn't seem to be great condition when you research it. I think he's an obvious contender especially given how famous he used to be in the 1960s and 70s and would be a real "shame"deathlist wise if he was absent and died too. Although obviously we have to draw the line somewhere as we don't want the deathlist to become over royal!

Thank you mate Cheers.

So forum veterans -Was the "Who will be the 12th death of 2016" thread the quickest /briefest ever of these list name thread's to have existed? Less than 24 hours.

Likely returnees: Dick Van Dyke, Charles Aznavour, Mugabe, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lewis Better returnees: Queen, Sean Connery, Hosni Mubarak, Helmut Kohl, Ian Brady Other potential returnees: Doris Day, Valerie Harper, Nigel Lawson, Pierre Cardin, Angela Lansbury, Frank Bough Recently in news for frailty/ill health: Sidney Poitier, Former Pope Benedict XVI, Tony Booth, Ian St John, Joanne Woodward, Mario Soares, Terry Jones, Akihito, Estelle Parsons, Desmond Carrington, Carrie Fisher Really Old: Ennio Morricone, Glynis Johns, Brian Cant, Mel Brooks, Gorbachev, Honor Blackman, David Attenborough, Mikis Theodorakis, Roger Moore, Ken Dodd, Patricia Routledge *Dead Certs: Leah Bracknell, King Michael, Gord Downie, Colin Meads, Peter Skellern, Sara Coward Random Ill Wrestler: Jimmy Snuka Off the top of my head, but within that group of folk you'll probably find a good 10-15 of them. *I don't expect this lot on the list, however, one or two (tops) might sneak on and surprise us. That's a pretty good mix of names although I'm not too sure about Dick Van Dyke who has just signed up for a new film or Doris Day because I'm a big fan of hers and want her to do an Olivia please IE reach 100! Alternative Hollywood names I'd throw into the mix are Joan Plowright and Robert Duvall

Would just like to draw to the committee's attention as they will be making their decisions very soon that Bullseye presenter Jim Bowen has had three strokes in five years. Also if their wanting to keep a good assortment /variety of people on the list and are maybe "wanting" an author now that sadly Richard Adams has died then for your consideration.... Mary Higgins Clarke, Joan Didion, Wilbur Smith.

Bruce Forsyth for me

No worries mate -I will try to remember to do a list in April and hope I don't have a senior moment or two and forget!

Awe I'd have quite liked to join this game too next month as I assumed it was starting afresh on the 1St January as per the Opening post.

George Michael has died according to SKY NEWS

I can tell that GC Reptile is quite a handsome chappy underneath the colourful artistry!

Good suggestion