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Trust me, I run the house budget, I know that one! I can call him a cunt more often if you'd like. Therapeutic. As for why him and not others, I can only speak for myself. Oppositions are mostly navel gazing debating societies, as useful as a chocolate teapot. (They're also really good at battering themselves to bits, as you may have noticed!) Governments are where power and responsibility lies. A government which promotes damaging policies is much worse than an opposition talking bollocks. Any time someone new becomes PM, they start with a clean sheet for me and rapidly move with their actions in office (because history is full of, for example, Great Chancellors who were shit Prime Ministers and vice versa). If Keir Starmer becomes Prime Minister, he'll start the same, and be judged appropriately. It's the political system we've got. I've no time for the anarchist view that if everyone stops voting we can tear up the system and create Utopia, in the real world we have actual people to help. (And even if you are a own bootstraps kind of person, that is reliant on the government not shooting their own economy in the foot, like Rishi Sunak, who is also a cunt btw () is alleged to have done with his sheer useless incompetence.) Churchill said during WW2, on proposing an alliance with Stalin to the horror of his own benches, that if Hitler invaded Hell, he'd provide a favourable reference for the Devil! That's roughly my view when it comes to crap governments and their only alternative! But that is just me, other views are available. Anyhow, you do know I come here to get AWAY from politics? But that said... If this financial crisis goes on for 2 years the government is FUCKED. More fucked than the people in your recently shagged thread, mate. But for the record, I hope it bloody well doesn't go on for much longer, because I fucking live here.

Just bolding the key part of your statement! Although "slightly less shit than Ian Hislop", christ, what compliments you planning next - "slightly more competent than Diane Abbot"? "slightly younger than David Attenborough?" "Less of a war monger, next to Vlad Putin?" Damned with the faintest of faint praise!

Didn't last that long in the end, given the hope the treatment would slow ALS/MND. Recipient of what is still my favourite DDP description I ever wrote.

I had A.B. Yehoshua on my shortlist for ages because of this post, but in the end it didn't seem that bad. Chalk up another error for me then: Yehoshua dead at 85. Already with a QO too.

Sums up most of the Cabinet, and one of the reasons Johnson is still in power - all the possible Tory replacements are rubbish. They need a John Major, but I don't know if any of them are still around, mostly thanks to Boris Johnson purging the non yes-men.

Jeff Hardy arrested for DUI. Not even doing the DOA Simpsons gag after the last time and this story isn't going to have a happy ending either. A few months ago, he was fired from WWE for refusing to go to rehab. Signs with their competitors, immediately goes into ladder matches and his old ways... AEW's Jeff Hardy Arrested for DUI (comicbook.com)

Phil Bennett very unwell now. BBC obit.

Tom Crawford (Longtime journalist, editor (Atlanta Journal), author, founder/editor of The Georgia Report) According to Sir Creep's notes in 2018. A random find tbh as I have nothing on the 2017 final or 2019 final anymore. He died in July 2018, apparently.

Derek Draper spending considerable time in hospital lately, according to Kate Garraway.

Burns Musharraf was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then transferred to a better hospital where doctors upgraded his condition to "alive".

If anything it sadly shows the flaws in unilateralism, and that the only route to disarmament would be multilateral.

It's only at this exact moment I've twigged I dropped Pat Arrowsmith by accident after 4 years in the DDP. She's totally going to snuff it before January 1st now.

Ah thank goodness. When I saw the last post was in the Shirley Bassey thread by Thatcher, my heart sank momentarily!

Given they now put out much the same as the Evening Times and a few other papers, I suspect a heavy dose of firing the writers and preferring mass produced stuff instead. Shame. Was going to say "add the Daily Record instead", but apparently the Record IS a qualifying obit and I'm the one who added it. Memory's the first to go...

Laugh it off, Rover. For the common good, laugh it off!

Congrates Drol!

The full nomination list for 2022. Typos my own. If there's doublers (and there shouldn't be), the highest ranking one is the accurate one. I have no idea who a fair number of the lesser picked names are. Someone actually picked a forum poster under their real life name, but I've subbed it for their forum name even though its fairly well known, for politeness! 1. Pele 1271 (NEW) 2. Jimmy Carter 1251 (7th, 4th) 3. Frank Field 1212 (NEW) 4. Leslie Philips 1096 (7th, 6th) 5. Gorbachev 1025 (7th, 8th) 6. Pope Benedict XVI 973 (7th, 5th) 7. George Alagiah 944 (4th, 36th) 8. Bob Barker 915 (4th, 18th) 9. Glynis Johns 896 (6th, 14th) 10. Jean Louis Trintignant 832 (4th, 33rd) 11. Sidney Poitier 816 (6th, 32nd) 12. Jerry Lee Lewis 801 (NEW) 13. Henry Kissinger 756 (3rd, 17th) 14. Betty White 737 DNS 15. James Whale 726 (2nd, 11th) 16. Linda Nolan 707 (3rd, 15th) 17. Angela Lansbury 671 (2nd, 43rd) 18. Harry Belafonte 663 (2nd, 35th) 19. Queen Elizabeth II 598 (3rd, 44th) 20. Olivia Newton John 594 (4th, 19th) 21. Joanne Woodward 575 (5th, 25th) 22. Shannen Doherty 555 (2nd, 26th) 23. Tony Bennett 548 (NEW) 24. Bill Turnbull 519 (3rd, 45th) 25. Tom Smith 497 (3rd, 13th) 26. Monica Vitti 487 (4th, 40th) 27. Milos Zeman 463 (NEW) 28. Rosalynn Carter 460 (4th, 29th) 29. Yoko Ono 449 (3rd, 20th) 30. James Watson 438 (NEW) 31. Tom Parker 433 (2nd, 7th) 32. Barbara Walters 433 (2nd, 38th) 33. Norman Tebbit 427 (NEW) 34. Eva Marie Saint 416 DQ’d 35. Francoise Hardy 411 (NEW) 36. June Brown 400 (NEW) 37. Imelda Marcos 385 DQ’d 38. James Lovelock 381 (NEW) 39. Bobby Charlton 371 (NEW) 40. Nichelle Nichols 371 (NEW) 41. George Perez 367 (NEW) 42. Dick van Dyke 358 (NEW) 43. Norman Lear 348 (NEW) 44. Jiang Zemin 327 (NEW) 45. Douglas Hurd 324 (NEW) 46. Tom Weiskopf 317 (NEW) 47. Prunella Scales 312 DQ’d 48. Jake the Snake 307 (NEW) 49. Jacques Delors 295 (NEW) 50. Jean Marsh 292 (NEW) 51. David Graham 291 (NEW) 52. Vic Elford 273 (NEW) 53. Susie Steiner 272 (NEW) 54. June Spencer 271 DQ’d 55. Noam Chomsky 269 DQ’d 56. Gary Burgess 262 (NEW) --- 57. 262 points - Marsha Hunt 58. 239 points - Nigel Lawson 59. 234 points – Desmond Tutu (DNS) 60. 229 points - Sandra Day O’Connor 61. 226 points - Luis Echeverria 62. 217 points - David Attenborough 63. 201 points - Marianne Faithful 64. 200 points - June Plowright 65. 198 points -Cleo Laine 66. 194 points -Nehemiah Persoff 67. 193 points - Doddie Weir 68. 186 points Buzz Aldrin, Alberto Fujimori 69. 185 points - Robert Durst 70. 184 points - Gudrun Ure, Frankie Valli 71. 181 points - Duke of Kent 72. 180 points - Rob Burrow 73. 174 points - Antonio Inoki 74. 172 points - Sandy Gall 75. 169 points - Stan Bowles, Liza Minnelli 76. 167 points – Gina Lollobrigida, 77. 166 points - Loretta Lynn, Duchess of Kent 78. 165 points – Bob Dole (DNS) 79. 164 points - Joss Ackland 80. 163 points – Ozzy Osbourne 81. 162 points - Gianluca Vialli, Julie Goodyear 82. 153 points – Bob Newhart 83. 151 points - Irene Papas 84. 148 points - Mohammed Al-Fayed 85. 138 points - Michael Gambon, Peter Tobin 86. 134 points – Khaleda Zia 87. 133 points - Estelle Harris, Vanessa Redgrave 88. 130 points – Violeta Chamorro 89. 129 points - Eileen Derbyshire, Sacheen Littlefeather 90. 128 points - Jean luc Godard 91. 127 points - Mary Quant, Willie Nelson, Kane Tanaka 92. 126 points - Mel Brooks 93. 120 points – Rolf Harris, Rupert Murdoch 94. 119 points - Shirley Hughes, Tim Keller 95. 117 points – Vera Miles 96. 116 points - Cheng Ning-yang 97. 115 points – Gene Hackman 98. 113 points – Martti Ahtisaari 99. 112 points - Jet Black 100. 111 points - Alice Munro 101. 110 points – Bernard Cribbins, Juan Carlos I 102. 109 points - Clint Eastwood 103. 108 points– Jean Marie le Pen 104. 107 points - Desmond Morris, Tomasz Schafernaker, Al Jaffee, Raul Castro, Shane MacGowan 105. 106 points – Brigitte Bardot 106. 105 points -Shintaro Tsuji, William Russell 107. 102 points – Phil Collins 108. 101 points – Sophia Loren 109. 100 points – Linda Ronstadt 110. 99 points – Alain Delon 111. 98 points – Winnie Ewing, Christos Sartzetakis 112. 96 points – Larry Storch 113. 90 points – Milan Kundera 114. 88 points – Carlos Bilardo 115. 84 points – Isabel Peron, Rosemary Squires 116. 83 points – George Soros 117. 77 points - Doreen Mantle, Raymond Briggs 118. 76 points – Lynne Reid Banks 119. 147 points – Constantine II 120. 136 points – Boris Pahor 121. 125 points – Dick Cheney 122. 117 points – Akihito 123. 112 points – Russell Bishop 124. 110 points – Lee Grant 125. 108 points – Giorgio Napolitano 126. 105 points – Larry Presler 127. 102 points – Billy Connolly 128. 101 points – Jeannette Lee 129. 98 points – Iris Apfel, Dame Clare Marx, Josip Manolic, Bernadette Chirac 130. 96 points – Kat Bjelland 131. 93 points- Joe Exotic 132. 92 points – Billy Bingham, Patricia Routledge 133. 89 points – Bobby Vinton 134. 86 points – Michel Bouquet, Nino Benevenuti 135. 85 points – Connie Francis 136. 78 points – Sidney Cooke 137. 77 points – Dennis Skinner, Joe Biden, David Gulpilil (DNS) 138. 75 points – Ryan O’Neal 139. 73 points – Stanley Baxter 140. 72 points – Donald Trump 141. 71 points- Michael Schumacher 142. 70 points – Philippe de Gaulle 143. 69 points – Stuart Kelly, Alan Greenspan, David Crosby, Ray Illingworth (DNS) 144. 68 points – Maggie Smith 145. 67 points – Dick McTaggart 146. 66 points – Michael Caine, Eleanor Collins 147. 65 points – Chris Rea, Abdullah the Butcher 148. 63 points – Michael J Fox 149. 62 points – Nana Mouskouri, Malcolm Hebden, Kim Novak 150. 61 points – Janis Paige, Pope Francis 151. 60 points – Bill Clinton, AS Byatt 152. 59 points – Elizabeth Kelly, Ted Turner, Armin Mueller-Stahl, Estelle Parsons 153. 58 points – Alejandro Jodorowsky, Zhu Rongli 154. 57 points – Pete Murray, Piers Corbyn 155. 56 points – Brian Wilson 156. 55 points – James Earl Jones, Tom Lehrer 157. 54 points- Jane morgan 158. 53 points – Caren Marsh Doll, Penelope Lively 159. 52 points – Derek Draper, Harvey Weinstein 160. 51 points – Michael Parkinson, Len Deighton, Mette-Marit of Norway 161. 50 points – Kris Kristofferson, Ady Barkan, Ion Illeiscu 162. 49 points – Willie Mays, James Caan, Art Rupe, Lisa Liu, April Ashley (DNS), Johnny Gilbert, Igor Bogdanov, Ysanne Churchman 163. 48 points – Bill Treacher, Tina Turner, Terry Venables, Barry Humphries 164. 47 points – Leonard Fenton, Saturnino de la Fuente Garcia, George Boscawen, Silvia Pinal, Joan Collins, Raquel Welch, Nanda Prusty 165. 46 points – Vin Scully, Ronnie Atkins, Lucia Hiriart (DNS), James Baker, Emerich Jenei, Gary Glitter 166. 45 points – Fay Weldon, Thich Nhat Hanh, Morgan Freeman, Bill Cosby, Choi Yuen, Anouk Aimee, Aung Sun Syu Kyi, Richard Rohmer 167. 44 points - Norman Jewison, Tin Oo, Tippi Hedren, Arnold Ruutel, Superstar Billy Graham, Rebecca Pan, James Buckley, Gaston Glock 168. 43 points – Augie Nieto, Keith Richards, Ray Anthony, Monens Palle 169. 42 points – Ruth Fainlight,,Ernest August of Hannover, Hazel McCallion, Jose Maria Marin, Queen Ratna, Wendy Playfair, Margaret Stuart Barry, 170. 41 points – Terry Funk, Mwai Kibaki, John Gwynne, Lata Mangeshkar, Vic Seixas, Hans Blix, Lee Adams, Terry Medwin, Slavoj Zizek, Ivan Silayev, Joyce Randolph 171. 40 points- Chevy Chase, Norma Waterson, Janko Nilovic, Johnny Mathis, Betty Boothroyd, Woody Allen 172. 39 points – Sunny, Mahathir Mohamad, John Hemingway, Roy Hattersley 173. 38 points – Phylida Law, Abu Al-Qurashi, Rita Tushingham, Gino Paoli, Hwang in-Shik, Joan Copeland 174. 37 points – Don King, David Lodge, Johnny Johnson, Nikocado Acovcado, Rose West, William Labov, Sylvia Sims 175. 36 points – Roman Polanski, Yusuf Qaradawi, Renee Taylor, Tung Chee-hwa, Bernie Ecclestone, Bill Russell (basketball), Madhur Jaffrey, Placio Domingo, Luke Halpin, Richard Hadlee,Daniella Westbrook, Florin Perisic, Engelbert Humperdink 176. 35 points – Song Ping, Miroslav Blazevic Brian Blessed, Stella Stevens, Valentine Strasser, Sheldon Harnick, Gheorge Zamfir, Gordon Pinsent 177. 34 points – Harry Reid (DNS), George Crumb, Ethel Kennedy, Brenda Milner, Quincy Jones, Roger Corman, Peter Blake, Lucille Randon, Dionne Warwick, Cesar Luis Menotti 178. 33 points – Roy Clarke, Jimmy Tarbuck, Timothy Dudley-Smith, Jeff Bridges, The Hong Piow, Terry Jacks 179. 32 points – Nigel Starmer Smith, Wilfred Benitez, Carol Cook, Samu, Kim Yong-nam, Dr Ruth Westheimer, Anne Rice (DNS), Frank Williams (DNS), Lillaina Cavani 180. 31 points – Rudolph Marcus, Jan Svankmajer, Queen Margrethe , John Williams, Rolf Schimpf, John Boorman, Berry Gordy, Amadou Mahatar Mbow, Mamie van Doren, Ted Kotcheff 181. 30 points – Marilyn Horne, Henry Silva, Bobby Caldwell, VS Achuthanadan, Jacquie Beltrao, Alan Dean Foster, Bartholomew I 182. 29 points – Queen Sirkit, Richard Franklin, Antonio Tejero, Marion Ross, Jose Sarney, Marla Gibbs, Colin Jeavons, Miiko Taka, Francisco Bermudez, Julie Walters, Hugh Hudson, Gordon McQueen 183. 28 points – Katherine Jackson, Jack Nicholson, Mario Zagallo, Alan Bennett, Julie Andrews, Dalai Lama, Henry Sandon, Gene Shalit, Robert Kuok 184. 27 points – Silvio Berlusconi, Frank Williams, Phil Read, Katie Price, Edouard Balladur, Ku Feng, Francoise Fabian, Rowshan Ershad 185. 26 points – Bill Tidy, Jack Hanna, Ray Lawler, Cat Stevens, Margaret Keane, OJ Simpson 186. 25 points – Carl Icahn, Kenneth Anger, John McPhee, Rick Davies, Ion Tirac, Kaikala Satyanarayna 187. 24 points – Joni Mitchell, Jorie Graham, Lucille Soong, Elizabeth Dole 188. 23 points – Ian Tyson 189. 22 points – Ray Reardon, James Bolam, Queen Beatrix, Ayatollah Khamenei, Pat Robertson, Vivian Pickles, Donovan, Michiko 190. 21 points – Robert Solow, Hershel Woody Williams, Wilfredo Gomez, Anthony Sher (DNS), Gwyneth Ho, Rhoda Wurtele, Jordan Peterson 191. 20 points – Ebrahim Golestan, Ringo Starr, Marv Levy, Larry Niven, Alec Baldwin, Doyle Brunson, Liz Sheridan 192. 19 points – Jacob Zuma, John Ashton, Akira Suzuki, Helen Langevin Joilot, Iron Sheik, Bert Gordon, Chubby Checker, Derek Jacobi, David musugari, Mable John, Hariet Anderson, Dick Vitale 193. 18 points – Ghislaine Maxwell, Nancy Pelosi, Fernanda Montenegro, Michael Heseltine, Luis Aparacio, Mustafa al Kadhimi, Bill Hayden, Joseph Fritzl, Martin Cooper, Angelo Sodano, Marilyn Bergman 194. 17 points – Kenneth Cope, Yang Hyong-Sop, Edna O’Brien, Gerald Harper, Smokey Robinson, Aja Kong, Tom Baker, Princess Alexandria, Piper Laurie 195. 16 points – Just Fontaine, Mick Jagger, Vince McMahon, Graeme Garden, John Prescott, Bill Wyman, Burt Bacharach, Carrol Baker 196. 15 points – Amanda Lear, Tim Curry, Guy LaFleur, Carleton Carpenter, Frank Borman, Paul Gascoigne, Rachid Mekhoufli, Tommy Chong, Tom Courtenay, June Squibb, Mina, Shirley Bassey, 197. 14 points – Jana Bennett, Dick Groat, Parnelli Jones, Neils Olsen, William Shatner, Richard M Sherman, Berniece Baker Miracle, Ornella Vannoni, Pamela Sharples 198. 13 points – Pat Boone, Iggy Pop, Michel Pornaeff, Ismaele Laguna, Ellen Burstyn 199. 12 points – Patrick Murray Albert II, Leonor Oyarzun, Johnny Ruffo, Alfonso Aaru, Michael Crawford, Rae Allen, Ann Blyth 200. 11 points – Janet Baker, Salman, Geoffrey Boycott, Christiane F, George Lazenby, Clarissa Eden (DNS), Bam Margera, Butch Miller, Lee Montague, Paul Dooley 201. 10 points – Farah Dilha, Philippe Bouvard, Princess Mikasa, June Lockhart, Gary Hart, Cesar Virata, William Daniels, Barry Cryer, Jack Higgins, Sonia Collins, Paul Sorvino 202. 9 points – Meg Wynn Owen, Mihai Sora, Julia Reichert, Julian Pettifer, Peter Schickle, Manghistu Mariam 203. 8 points – Liliana Cavani, Mike Yarwood, Qin Yi, Anastasia Zavortoynuk, Jacques Detronc 204. 7 points – Sammy Chung, Orlando Cepeda, Jane Berbie, Michael Craig, Peter Marshall, Jane Elliot, Arnaldo Forlani, Phyliss Dalton, John Savident, Carmen Silvera, Barry Gibb, Jane Goodall, Roger Angell 205. 6 points – Kathryn Crosby, Virginia Zeani, King Harold, Freda Payne, Jesy Nelson, Maribritt Morrison, Roger Donlon, Caterina Valente, Anita Pointer, Roy Chubby Brown, Dennis Haskins, Seiji Ozawa 206. 5 points – Felicia Farr, Boris Johnson, Brigitte Auber, Kalpana Kartik, Ilie Nastase, Joe Benton, 6ix9ine 207. 4 points – Gena Rowlands, Gwyneth Jones, Toni Basel, Su Pollard, Sally Ann Howes (DNS), Thelma Barlow, Patricia Shakesby, Dennis Hastert, Nguyen Thi Binh, Eric Idle, Ella Jenkins, Richard Ingrams, Chor Yeun 208. 3 points – Adriano Celentano, Charles Njongo, Rosemary Harris, Frank O’Farrell, Frank Price, Alison Hammond, Hardy Kruger, Judi Dench, Teri Garr 209. 2 points – Maryportfuncity, Michael Dukakis, Clive Barker, Lindsay Ellis, Prince Charles, Albert Eschemoser, Joan D Vinge, Irma P Ball, Scarlett Moffat, Lars Hogh (DNS), Dick Groat, Robert Wagner, Slavisa Zungul, Terry Gilliam 210. 1 point - Emilio Eede, Tomicchi Murayama, Eugenie Cooney, Kurt Hamrin, Nia Jax, Bill Oddie, Catherine Wybourne, Grace Slick, George Mitchell

It was based on the idea the government would cling on to the bitter end, so December 2024 then a month for campaigning. An early January election sounds like a completely idiotic move, though. Apparently folk have seen the government's election briefing stuff and its all marked 2024. Take that for what its worth.

About 44% for ids in 2003. He was never that popular again!

And she's only in parliament because her (now ex) husband (whom she supported publicly through his trial) got jailed for sexually assaulting a few women.

Oh he'll almost certainly "win" this vote, but as a famous person once said, he who wins shall lose. Which feels apt here. I say famous person, I mean Jon Pertwee's Doctor Who.

What Rover says. If he gets.. 180 or more, he's safe in the job, but I doubt it's going to get any better for him tbh.

Btw, am told by someone who understands these things better than I do, that a Prime Minister who lost a VoC like tonights vote would not have the parliamentary power to call an early election as speculated earlier. I bow to those with better knowledge of the process!

I named my (B-team but not really a B-team) after Bullseye then completely missed in every game with Jim Bowen, for shame!

Yes! It's been a long day but I wont edit it due to it being an amusing typo. I've bored everyone on Scottish politics before not that long ago but in short, I still think there's a fairly decent pragmatic voter block here would be open to voting to boot out the Westminster Tories, so to speak! (Not a vast number of seats, maybe 10 at the uppermost, but in that situation, every vote counts. Plus the Tories currently have about 20 seats in Scotland and Wales which they might struggle without...)