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Andy Rourke of The Smiths dead. Pancreatic cancer. Guardian obit

I trusted him on his health like Cary Grant trusted him not to shag his wife!

Runcie, Carey, Rowan Williams, Welby - for an atheist that's not too bad. Oh and obvious Thomas Becket and Cosmo Lang from history. I had to look up Geoffrey Fisher even though he did the coronation for Elizabeth II and famously once beat the shit out of Roald Dahl (in his capacity as headmaster)! I remember after Runcie died, my English teacher used it as a lesson when she was grumpy for years after, how Carey had appeared on the news that night and said he was "literally shattered" to hear the news. "He was not literally shattered, he was in one piece. Do not make similar mistakes in your exams or I shall be cross!"

Bob Backlund the only pre-1983 WWF Champion alive now. He's in ludicrously good shape for a wrestler in his 70s though. Sheik's the oldest, aged 80-something (see previous debates on his inconclusive age). Updating that perennial wrestlers 70 (or about to turn 70 in 2023) and older who are both Names and should QO for certain... 1937 - Jim Breaks (especially now he's a killer), Paul Vachon, Mark Lewin, Eddie Sharkey (as a trainer) 1938 - Ted Turner 1939 - Billy White Wolf (because of his Saddam Hussein impersonations), Bill Watts, Jim Herd 1940 - Baron Van Raschke (here he is last summer), Iron Sheik (age a matter of dispute), Adrian Street (looked like a corpse at Clash at the Castle, Sept 2022), Alan Kilby (WoS alumni) 1941 - Abdullah the Butcher (now seemingly a victim of elder abuse), Dory Funk Jr, Johnny Rodz, Ivan Putski, Thunderbolt Patterson, Kendo Nagasaki (with whatever age he's claiming these days), Johnny Saint Added note - Johnny Rodz survived a heart attack that should have killed him in 2021. 1942 - JJ Dillon, Mil Mascaras, Jimmy Valiant, Afa, Ole Anderson (how is he still alive?) 1943 - Bill Dundee, Ken Patera 1944 - Jimmy Hart, Terry Funk (now in a nursing home), Tiger Jeet Singh, Michael Buffer 1945 - Rugged Ronnie Garvin, Sika, Vince McMahon 1946 - Gerry Brisco, Tony Garea (what does he do?*), David Crockett *It's a wrestling in-joke, don't worry 1947 - Bushwhacker Luke, George Wells (based off one WrestleMania match, he left wrestling in the 90s to become a renowned addiction counselor), Demolition Ax, Teddy Long 1948 - Black Bart (has everything wrong with him), Sgt Slaughter, Linda McMahon, Carlos Colon, Great Kabuki 1949 - Ric Flair (somehow), Earl Hebner, Jerry Lawler (survived a nasty stroke in March), Jim Brunzell, Bob Backlund, Stan Hansen, Don Muraco, Mike Adamle (CTE issues), Kevin Sullivan, Dutch Mantell, Rob Fuller (territories guy plus 90s WWF manager) Additional note - the Class of 1949 are clearly made of stern stuff but the Reapers starting to pick them off with recent Paul Orndorff and Dave Hebner deaths. Mostly they seem in pretty good nick, except poor old Adamle. And how Ric Flair is alive, no one knows. 1950 - Tenryu (indomitable, but frail), Bob Orton Jr, Shahid Khan (who gets a spot now for bankrolling AEW), Bruce Hart (probably the most famous of Bret's surviving brothers), Mando Guerrero (Eddie's brother) 1951 - Jesse Ventura (you know who he is - has health issues now, a result of being poisoned with Agent Orange while in the Navy), Skinner, Dos Caras (relative of Alberto Del Rio), Buck Zumhofe (previously mentioned paedo scum), Greg "the Hammer" Valentine, Keith Hart (another Bret brother), Larry Zbyszko 1952 - Good Old JR, Wayne Hart (another Bret brother), Dan Spivey (AKA Waylon Mercy), Hillbilly Jim, Mr T (he counts), Jimmy Garvin, Dennis Condrey (with his cancer issues, no idea how) 1953 - The Honky Tonk Man, Ricky Steamboat (had an aneurysm in 2010), Tito Santana, Billy Jack Haynes (nutter), Stan Lane, Hulk Hogan, Paul Ellering, Tatsumi Fujinami, Ricky Knight (Paige's dad, no idea how the fuck he's going to see 70), Marty Jones (may have been born in 1945)

Alignment: Cunt. Infamously piggy backed on to a real life sex abuse scandal to claim he had seen people abusing kids himself, which he'd invented to try and get "hush money" (his own words) out of Vince McMahon. It's incredibly difficult to get into a dispute with McMahon and look the lesser man. Also a notorious drug pusher.

Last summer I was trying to avoid responding to some grumpy work emails and checked the news tracker on my browser. "Bitter court battle over billionaire" or a headline like that. Curiosity piqued, it was about the Hinduja family and after several boring paragraphs about the rich, the telegraph article said it was heating up as Hinduja was now bedridden and in the final stages of dementia. I noted the info down, never saw it on the beeb, not mentioned here so decided to play him as a differential as "presumably Spade and Reptile know but are keeping it quiet just in case." Much to my surprise he was unique. Probably the best thing the telegraph have ever done imo...

Your lack of taste is noted by now.

24 The Animals – House Of The Rising Sun 24 Sonny & Cher – I Got You Babe 24 The Kinks – You Really Got Me 22 Roy Orbison - It's Over +2 22 The Beatles - Help! +2 22 The Rolling Stones – It´s All Over Now 22 The Rolling Stones – (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 22 Tom Jones – It´s Not Unusual 22 The Beatles – A Hard Day´s Night 20 The Dave Clark Five – Glad All Over 20 The Searchers – Needles And Pins 20 The Bachelors – Diane 20 Cilla Black – Anyone Who Had A Heart 20 Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas – Little Children 20 The Beatles – Can´t Buy Me Love 20 Peter & Gordon – A World Without Love 20 The Searchers – Don´t Throw Your Love Away 20 The Four Pennies – Juliet 20 The Honeycombs – Have I The Right 20 Herman´s Hermits – I´m Into Something Good 20 Roy Orbison – Oh Pretty Woman 20 Sandie Shaw – (There´s) Always Something There To Remind Me 20 The Supremes – Baby Love 20 The Rolling Stones – Little Red Rooster 20 The Beatles – I Feel Fine 20 Georgie Fame & The Blue Flames – Yeh Yeh 20 The Moody Blues – Go Now 20 The Righteous Brothers – You´ve Lost That Lovin' Feelin' 20 The Kinks – Tired Of Waiting For You 20 The Seekers – I´ll Never Find Another You 20 The Rolling Stones – The Last Time 20 Unit 4 + 2 – Concrete And Clay 20 Cliff Richard – The Minute You´re Gone 20 The Beatles – Ticket To Ride 20 Roger Miller – King Of The Road 20 Sandie Shaw – Long Live Love 20 Elvis Presley – Crying In The Chapel 20 The Hollies – I´m Alive 20 The Byrds – Mr. Tambourine Man 20 The Walker Brothers – Make It Easy On Yourself 20 The Rolling Stones – Get Off Of My Cloud 20 The Seekers – The Carnival Is Over 20 The Beatles – Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out 16 Ken Dodd – Tears 14 Manfred Mann – Do Wah Diddy Diddy 14 Jackie Trent - Where are you now -6 Suddenly lots of great songs.

Music to watch Bob Hoskins be led to his death to!

I'm afraid you're more charitable to Maggie than I am. I'm aware of how anti-Irish she was even to the end of her tenure and that comes from allies Iike Ingham and Hurd as much as the pro Irish side. Will say as Heritage sec him and Major ok'd the National Lottery, from which I am yet to win even a tenner. The bastards!

He managed to convince Thatcher to allow preliminary talks with Sinn Fein. That's practically walking on water for miracle achievements. EDIT - List of the Missed, last picked in 2014 by a theme team!

Mike Reads show this week brings Peggy Seeger who is probably a future DLer. 88 next month but looks great for it and can still belt out The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.

The public vote was quite anti anything remotely rock this year. Most of them were voted out in the semis and Australia also suffered in the public vote. I thought the German song was a bit halfway (leant into your great heavy tradition but was a bit too safe doing so) but it was just the wrong year for it, apparently.

Mel Giedroyc, Sue Perkins old comedy partner who was one of the Bake Off regulars. Does a lot of TV but not someone whose schtick appeals to me.

Finland won the public vote by over a hundred points but the lead the jury gave Sweden earlier in the week was too high to overcome. Bit dodgy when you're getting people to pay to vote imo.

HARRY’S ODDS AGAINST TOMORROW GRIM 5/50 25th April 2023 Film, music and civil rights icon Harry Belafonte has died to give a heavyweight success to The Crowdsourced Deathlist. Belafonte’s legendary career began in the 1940s as a New York club singer, but a friendship with Miles Davis and Charlie Parker launched his pop career. It wasn’t until Calypso in 1956 that he achieved world wide fame, selling more than 1 million copies that year, and launching Day-O and Jamaica Farewell on the public conscience. His musical career stretched over seventy years, during which time he worked with Dylan, Sinatra, the Beatles, and, most importantly of all, Kermit the Frog. He also sang during the inauguration of President Kennedy. His film career was equally important. Carmen Jones was one of the first American films co-starred by two lead black actors. In 1950s America, he took on interracial romance in Island in the Sun, and racism and crime in Odds Against Tomorrow. But while he became a favourite of Hollywood subversives like Otto Preminger, Belafonte was not afraid to call out his friends – he turned down Preminger’s offer of Porgy and Bess, citing it being a racial stereotype. In recent years he appeared in BlackKkKlansman, the Spike Lee film. Yet his humanitarian career dwarfed even those solid legacies. An protégé at an early age of Paul Robeson, Harry Belafonte had already been blacklisted by the McCarthy witch hunts in the 1950s, before he became friends and allies with Martin Luther King. He raised money for King’s marches, he bailed King out of jail, he promoted civil rights on every platform he stood. He was an early public voice against South African apartheid, a lifelong promoter of UNICEF, and a frequent critic of hawk government policies. When told his views on the Bush government were unpatriotic, he said that dissent is crucial to democracy. Harry Belafonte was ninety-six.

MERRY FUNERAL, MR LAWRENCE 4/50 28th March 2023 Japanese composer Ryuichi Sakamoto has sadly died after a long battle with cancer, to give The Crowdsourced Deathlist a melancholic success. Sakamoto made his career as part of the Yellow Magic Orchestra, the 70s electronic band. He died weeks after his fellow bandmate Yukihiro Takahashi. He moved equally free in classical and film composing circles, and his opus, the score for Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence, won him the Oscar. In David Bowie’s iconoclastic World War Two tale of forbidden gay love in a prisoner of war camp, Sakamoto, in his acting debut, played the role of Bowie’s romantic interest with a noble gravitas, while refusing to whitewash the Japanese war experience. It was a complex role vastly more experienced actors would have struggled with. From there, Sakamoto was the composer for the opening ceremony of the Barcelona Olympics, gained the first Japanese number one instrumental track, and his film work included The Last Emperor and The Revenant. He was also an outspoken defender of musicians getting proper royalties for their work, and a renowned anti-nuclear activist in his homeland. Even as he slowly lost a lengthy battle with cancer, he continued his life long environmentalism campaigning from his own bedroom, sending letters in support of various movements. A winner of the Oscar, the Grammy, the Golden Globe, the BAFTA, as well as having acting acclaim, and international chart success, the widely popular Ryuichi Sakamoto packed a lot into his 71 years on the planet, and we mourn his loss.

CHAIM TOPOLS 3/50 8th March 2023 Popular Israeli heavyweight actor Topol has died, after a period of ill health, to provide The Crowdsourced Deathlist with another success. Topol had gained a stellar reputation as a theatre and musicals actor in the 1960s, touring with with the Batzal Yarok, before moving to cinema in the mid-60s. His breakthrough role was that of Tevye, star of Fiddler on the Roof, which he played on Broadway and in the 1971 film. His musical background allowed the full baritone of If I Was a Rich Man to liven the screen. This gave him international recognition and he would take on important roles in Flash Gordon and the James Bond flick For Your Eyes Only. Although, in the latter, the reveal Topol is actually the good guy all along would work better if the reveal wasn’t just him telling us! He remained a TV and film regular, but it was the stage that he loved most, playing at all the great theatres in a variety of roles, from Tevye to Shakespeare, until his health declined. This was his first appearance on the list.

I note the irony here that the only one of those I'm not is enthusiastic about fucking haggis! (I love Scottish food, obviously, but haggis is minging. And primarily a posh thing...)

One thing about Ruby Mohammad, whom I'd only heard of thanks to this forum, and even as she was picked, there was a degree of barrel scrapping. When she died, I mentioned it to Mrs msc, with the phrase "She claimed to be 111 years old, but was only 103." That only was hysterically funny, apparently!

This forum: Person 1 - Asks a one line question about old movie/rock stars/etc Person 2 - Here is a 300 person list to answer you, carefully annotated with dates and information. I am fully aware I resemble this remark!

"Well, a dire performance at Eurovision tonight, but on a lighter note in news from Berkshire..."

He's written a book about how Rolf is actually innocent. Take that for what it's worth!

There's a number of Beatles songs I like but they come later in the decade. Help and Eleanor Rigby were number ones I presume. Cliff is weird. His CV alternates between the Shadows, some good pop and his Christian stuff which is blatantly not for me. I can usually find something likable by most artists if I try, within reason, but Cliff Richard has the biggest jump between "actually that's quite good" and "I never want to hear this again"...

Heh same about the conversation details (no longer being in the cmme) but I recall her name coming up probably because she was a DDP regular already.