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In fact when the Irishman was being made, Scorcese and co made it clear it had been very difficult to tempt Pesci back as he was very careful with his money and basically enjoys being retired and relaxing.

Attractive young female singer singing catchy songs with a degree of girl power to a young adult audience. It worked for Joni Mitchell and Dolly Parton in the 70s, Madonna and Kate Bush in the 80s, Alanis Morrisette and Mariah Carey in the 90s, etc. That she overtook all of them into becoming a GDP altering behemoth was a surprise but Swift seemed to get modern pr and social media before a lot of the rest of her peers and used it to create a very loyal fanbase.

Sort of a Dr Who version of Sapphire and Steel. Bert the miner died but his actor lives on. The other miner survived but his actors been dead over forty years!

Plus the American church leaders were very pro-Benny and all of these moves have been about promoting folk on Francis's side of their Vatican dispute so they can hold power when he dies.

The Dr Who actors list, updated. Some previously missing people added, some really obscure extras removed, I swear every few years I remove all the dead people and wind up with a list 50 names bigger than the last time. Have gone to everyone who will be 60 in 2025, given the spate of actors dying in their 60s of late. As usual its not everyone, as some folks ages (hello Young Silurian) are MIA. With most of the "they'll obit anyway" I've tried to give educated guesses (hence circa). All of these people were checked this week and are seemingly alive, though some of the more obscure (hello Ronald Rich) might turn out to be dead months after the fact. Think I caught all the doublers too, though the best way to spot them is to press post, then wait 5 minutes for someone on the DL to immediately spot any errors! ALSO as this is very large, for the benefit of folk on mobile phones, please do not quote the entire list just to make one comment. @ing me or quoting the relevant bit only will suffice. 1. 1920 – Arnold Yarrow 2. 1924 –Donald Pelmear, Laurie Webb 3. 1926 – Barbara Clegg 4. 1927 – Wendy Danvers (circa) 5. 1928 –Peter Cellier, Michael Craig, Raymond Llewellyn 6. 1929 – Colin Jeavons, Steve Machin, John Woodvine, Thelma Barlow 7. 1930 –Shirley Cooklin, Roy Evans. David Garfield, Gary Watson, Maureen Heneghan, Henley Thomas 8. 1931 –June Bland, Claire Bloom, Gordon Faith 9. 1932 –Carmen Munroe, John Gorrie, Jolyon Booth, Edward de Souza, Gabriel Woolf, Antony Carrick, June Hudson, Wendy Gifford, Kenton Moore, Andrew Lodge 10. 1933 – Bernard Lodge, Michael Allaby, Geoffrey Frederick, Patrick Godfrey, Donald Douglas, Michael McStay, Derek Martin, Rhoda Lewis, Sheila Hancock, Sian Philips, Ian Frost, Joan Linder, Helen Dorward 11. 1934 –Mary Peach, Billy Cornelius, Robert Aldous, Jean Marsh, Gilbert Wynne, Vernon Dobtcheff, Christopher Benjamin, Tom Baker, Roy Macready, Annette Crosbie, Leila Hoffman, John Davies, Mitzi McKenzie, Jean Challis 12. 1935 – Tristan de Vere Cole, George Roubicek, Derren Nesbitt, Julian Glover, Michael Imison, Glenn Beck, Wanda Ventham, Susan Engel, Janet Henfrey, Anne Reid, Amanda Walker, Allister Bain, Richard Martin, David Daker, Burnell Tucker, Anna Barry 13. 1936 –Timothy Combe, Douglas Sheldon, David Savile, Tessa Shaw, Brian Blessed, Tony Scoggo, Richard Wilson, Rhys McConnochie, Jon Laurimore, Terence Lodge, Peter Fraser (circa), Malcolm Rogers, Peter Laird, Dick Mills, Jennifer Hill 14. 1937 – Derrick Gilbert, Michael Kilgarriff, Tony Caunter, Eileen Helsby, Hugh Fletcher, Tom Georgeson, Brian Grellis, Davyd Harries, Sheila Reid, Gawn Grainger, William Gaunt, Ian Hogg, Steven Berkoff, David Arlen, Vic Tablian, Viktors Ritelis, Brian Cullingford, Darrol Blake, Anthony Verner 15. 1938 – Tina Packer, Milton Johns, Brian Hodgson, Warris Hussein, Frances White, John Tillinger, David Weston, Tim Goodman, Christopher Dunham, Christopher Robbie, Leslie Schofield, Laurence Harrington, Tim Preece, Julian Fox, Eleanor Bron, Col Farrell, Derek Jacobi, Val McCrimmon, Martin Cort, John Tordorff, Penelope Lee, Marcus Hammond, Martyn Huntley, Roslyn de Winter, George Gallacio, Douglas Ditta 16. 1939 –Geoffrey Kirkland, Ian Thompson, peter Purves, Eric Mival, Rudolph Walker, John Moreno, Paul Grist, Garrick Hagon, Jonathan Newth, John Cleese, Ian McCulloch, Jonathan Burn, Edmund Pegge, Ian McKellen, James Fox, Ronald Rich (circa, if alive) 17. 1940 –Pauline Collins, Carole Ann Ford, Clive Doig, Neville Smith, Annette Robertson, David Calderisi, Stanley McGeagh, Alec Linstead, Tony Adams, Ben Howard, John Black, Barry Stanton, James Beckett, Judy Cornwell, Angela Douglas, Richard Tate, Paul Joyce, Margot Hayhoe (circa), Gilly Fraser, Nicholas McArdle, William Wilde, Ringo Starr, Nick Evans (circa), Lyn Ashley, Alexander Tynan AKA Sandra Reid (circa), June Murphy, Norman Tipton (circa) 18. 1941 – John Levene, Hannah Gordon, Martin Jarvis, Christopher Tranchell, Kay Patrick, Anneke Wills, Mike Lucas, John Atterbury, Geoffrey Beevers, Michael Walker, Andrew Robertson, David Gooderson, Christopher Hamilton Bidmead, Nerys Hughes, Brian Miller, Polly James, David Ashton, Alan David, Angela Pleasance, Miriam Margoyles, Roy Marsden, Roger Limb, Richard Dawkins, Pamela Greer, Maurice O’Connell, Rachel Davies (circa), Claire Jenkins (circa), David Valla, Carl Rigg, Forbes Collins 19. 1942 – llona Rodgers, Michael E Briant, Prentis Hancock, Ian Talbot, Fernanda Marlowe, Stuart Fell, Patricia Maynard, Stephen Yardley, Brian Croucher, Denis Lill, Paul Shelley, John D Collins, Chloe Ashcroft, Royce Mills, Pam St Clement, David Bradley, David Quilter, Peter Symonds, Caroline Hunt, John Bloomfield, Ernie Vincze, Bernard Lloyd-Jones, John Owens, Paul McCartney, Michael Elwyn, Jo Rowbottom, Wanda Moore, Harriet Philpin (circa), Gillian Brown (circa), Andrew Morgan, Paul Bentley, George Layton 20. 1943 – Donald Sumpter, Kevork Malikyan, Virginia Wetherell, Maureen O’Brien, Valentino Musetti, Delia Lindon, Giles Block, Ian Hines, David Simeon, David Griffin, Gregory de Polnay, John Leeson, Peter Straker, Colin Baker, Edward Peel, Sylvester McCoy, Julia Foster, Leena Dhingra, Alan Wareing, Roger Murray-Leach, Julia Foster, Elliott Cairnes, Sue Pulford, Ellis Jones 21. 1944 – Adam Verney, Frazer Hines, Fiona Walker, Paula Topham, Graham Weston, Pik-Sen Lim, Philip Hinchcliffe, Catherine Schell, Barry Andrews, Eric Saward, Timothy Block, Keith Drinkel, Martin Potter, Isla Blair, Matthew Robinson, Barbara Kinghorn, Faith Brown, Colin Spaull, John Ogwen, Richard Hartley, Patricia Quinn, Julian Holloway, Anne Robinson, Ian Barritt, Judith Paris, David Rowlands, Bernard G High, Petra Markham 22. 1945 – Clive Merrison, Sandra Bryant, John Kane, John Abbott, Andrew McCulloch, John Flanagan, Graeme Harper, Michael Melia, Nicolas Chagrin, Alibe Parsons, Morgan Deare, Michael Bertenshaw, Michael Brandon, Bill Paterson, Bill Lyons, Tariq Anwar, Sarah Hellings, Dave Anderson, Peter Robert Scott, Michael Owen Morris (circa) 23. 1946 –Richard Ireson, Katy Manning, Graham Simpson, Tom Chadbon, Sheila Ruskin, Annie Lambert, Roger Davenport, Martin Cochrane , Dicken Ashworth, Simon Williams, Penelope Wilton, Colin Prockter, Maureen Lipman, Struan Rodger, Togo Igawa, Felicity Kendal, David Suchet, Robin Soans, Timothy Dalton, Brian Cox, Sally Faulkner, James Acheson, Colette Gleeson, Martin Fisk, James Snell, John Gleeson (circa) Sue Jerrard Baker (circa) 24. 1947 – Wendy Padbury, Felicity Gibson, Guy Siner, Brendan Price, Adrienne Burgess, Michael Keating, Paul Seed, Tony Osoba, Michael Osborne, Christopher Neame, Paddy Kingsland, Michael Cochrane, James Warwick, Ann Holloway, Alec Sabin, Peter Burroughs, Terry Molloy, Rula Lenska, John Alkin, Leslie Meadows, Peter van Dissel (circa), Colin Stinton, Ann Widdecombe, George Costigan, Tim Barker, Ken Bones, William Thomas, Ralph Arliss, Jack Galloway, John Tallents, Ralph Arliss, Ozzie Yue, Lois Baxter, Lloyd McGuire 25. 1948 –Matthew Corbett, Gareth Armstrong, David Warwick, David Sibley, Paul Jerricho, Michael J Jackson, Anita Graham, Stephen Wyatt, Joseph Marcell, Ron Cook, Barbara Flynn, Vincent Brimble, Ian McElhinney, Miles Fothergill, Christopher Bailey, Rusty Goffe, Juliet Cadzow, Sharon Duce, Peter Walshe, Mat Irvine, Tony Virgo 26. 1949 – Susan Penhaligon, Andrew Johns, Rob Edwards, Neil Dalglish, Keith Skinner, Martyn Whitby, Cameron Gomez, Jeananne Crowley, Zoe Wannamaker, Simon Callow, Anita Dobson, Bill Nighy, Geoffrey Sax, Mike Elles, Keith Parry, Peter Howell 27. 1950 – David Troughton, Cheryl Hall, Nick Hobbs, Nigel Plaskitt,, Michael Cashman, Liza Goddard, Nitza Saul, Eric Deacon, David Chandler, Christopher Ryan, Rachel Bell, Annette Badland, Jacqueline King (circa), Harriet Walter, Judith Street, Reggie Tsiboe, Lindsay Duncan, Ian McNeice, Elizabeth Parker, Philip McGough, Robert Pugh, Paul Lavers, Jenny McCracken, Jane How, Renu Setna, Jane How 28. 1951 – Helen Worth, Louise Jameson, Primi Townsend, Lalla Ward, David Yip, Lee Cornes, Peter Davison, Simon Rouse, David Banks, Tim Munro, Nigel Humphreys, Jeff Rawle, David Rodigan, Chris Clough, Angela Bruce, Don Warrington, David Schofield 29. 1952 – Nina Thomas, Imogen Bickford-Smith, Jakob Lindberg, Oliver Smith, Alexei Sayle, Patrick Ryecart, Tomek Bork, Art Malik, Nicholas Gecks, Sharon Osborne, Kerry Shale, Clive Clifford, Albert Welling, Celia Imrie, Roderick Smith, Ian Saynor 30. 1953 – Jennifer Lonsdale, Victoria Burgoyne, Janet Fielding, Steve Morley, Nabil Shaban, Trevor Cooper, Malcolm Kohll, Gareth Hale, Norman Pace, Marc Platt, Deborah Manship, Christopher Guard, Dona Croll, Gordon Tipple, Ian Hanmore, Paul Anthony-Barber, Nicholas Witchell, Phil Davis, Tim Bentinck, Maureen Beattie, Richard Hope, Stuart Milligan, Christopher Fairbank, Eliza Roberts, Rosalind Lloyd, Lorelei King 31. 1954 – Stephen Gallagher, Anthony Root, Glen McCoy, Chris MacDonell, Anthony Head, Hugh Quarshie, Angela Wynter, Chris Noth, Belinda Mayne, Joseph Long, Ellen Thomas, Clive Wood, Phil Nice, David Bamber 32. 1955 – John Hicks, Hilary Ryan, janet Ellis, david haig, Jeff Stewart, Gillian Taylforth, John Novak, Ellie Haddington, Sallie Aprahamian, Nichola McAuliffe, Ellie Haddington, Kirsty Wark, Clare Higgins, Brid Brennan, Michael Troughton, Mike McShane, Robert Jezek, Annette Woollett 33. 1956 – Joanna Monro, Daniel Hill, Jame Coombes, Jeremy Gittins, Adrian Mills, Mark Straker, Dominic Guard, Lesley Dunlop, Kevin McNally, Chris Jury, Eric Roberts, John Debney, Matthew Jacobs, Ron Donachie, Ellen Thomas, Susan Twist, Phyllis Logan, Tim McInnerny, Kiran Shah, Christopher Good, Richard Curtis, Imelda Staunton 34. 1957 – Debbie Lee London, Suzanne Danielle, Richard Willis, Leee John, Sneh Gupta, Sarah Greene, Christine Kavanagh, Glen Murphy, Ian Reddington, Mal Young, Trisha Goddard, Trevor Laird, Jonathan Watson, Robert Bathurst, Paul Brroughton, Stephen Fry, Phil Cornwell, Paul Clayton, Sheree Folkson, Frank Skinner, Roger Ashton-Griffiths, Tessa Peake-Jones, Richard E Grant, Deep Roy 35. 1958 – William Ilkley, Tracy Louise Ward, Andrew Cartmel, Ian Briggs, Marcus Gilbert, Daniel Peacock, Rupert Vansittart, Simon Greenall, Danny Webb, Jamie Foreman, Rachel Talalay, Sue Jenkins, Lenny Henry, Peter Capaldi, Adrian Rawlins, Simon Nye, Simon Dutton, Frances Barber, Philip Rham, Elizabeth Rider, David Verrey (circa), Bridget Lynch-Blosse 36. 1959 – Anthony Calf, Mark Strickson, Stephen Garlick, Jonathan Caplan, Gary Cady, Adam Blackwood, Rona Munro, Christopher Bowen, Steve McFadden, Paul McGann, Louise Febre, Andrew Marr, Kevin Eldon, Victoria Wicks, Frank Cottrell-Boyce, Nick Hurran, Mark Williams, Jimmy Vee, Simon Slater 37. 1960 – Jonathan Morris, Keith Jayne, Nicola Bryant, Sarah Berger, Dominic Glynn, Mark Greenstreet, Ricco Ross, Lisa Osmond, Pip Torrens, Shirley Ballas, Bradley Walsh, Penelope McGhie, Jemma Churchill, Robert Glenister, Shaheen Khan, Karen Gledhill, Lachele Carl, Lesley Sharp, Lindsey Coulson, Ed Bazalgette, Peter O’Brien, Pete Lee-Wilson, Christopher Villiers, Neil Gaiman, Geraldine Alexander 38. 1961 – Matthew Waterhouse, Sarah Sutton, Martin Clunes, Edward Highmore, Owen Teale, Sean Blowers, Mark Ayres, Shobu Kapoor, Nicholas Briggs, Corey Johnson, Steven Moffat, Jamie Bradley, Huw Edwards, David Charles, Douglas Mackinnon, Colin Salmon, Colin McFarlane, Perry Benson, Paul Wilmshurst, Meera Syal, Iain Glen, Simon Fisher-Becker, Orla Brady, Liam Cunningham 39. 1962 – Gordon Warnecke, Sophie Aldred, Jessica Martin, Philip Segal, Suannah Constantine, Moya Brady, Michelle Collins, Stephen Marcus, Gerard Horan, Pauline McLynn, Nicholas Blane, Soo Drouet, Hettie MacDonald, Keith Boak (circa), Suzanne Packer, Lisa Bowerman, Malorie Blackman, David Benson, Ben Browder, Jason Watkins, Ray Trickitt 40. 1963 – Esther Freud, Jason Connery, Daphne Ashbrook, Russell T Davies, Nigel Whitmey, Adjoa Andoh, Gary Powell,, Joe Aherne, David Westhead, Cory Pulman, Katharine Schlesinger, Tracey Childs, Nigel Hastings, Alex Kingston, Julian Bleach, Jaye Griffiths, John Voce, Sanjeev Bhaskar, Nigel Betts, Hugh Bonneville, Michael Smiley, Rupert Graves 41. 1964 – Bonnie Langford, Ben Aaronovitch, Marcus Hutton, Courtney Pine, Ross Kemp, Christopher Eccleston, Trinny Woodall, Paterson Joseph, Sean Gilder, Duncan Duff, Stephen Greenhorn, Mark Addy, Clive Rowe, Sarah Lancashire, Martin Ball, Rupert Holliday-Evans, David Morrissey, Lee Evans, Teresa Banham, Rebecca Front, Paul Kaye, Mark Sheppard, Graham Duff, Richard Dillane, Sian Williams, Silas Carson David Kinder 42. 1965 – Mark Benton, Camille Coduri, Steve Speirs, Eric Potts, Cheryl Fergison, Sean Gallagher, Shirley Henderson, Ian Porter, Ardal O’Hanlon, Ross Gurney-Randall, Patrick O’Kane, Steve Toussaint, Julie Graham, Alan Cumming, Charles Palmer, Andrew Havill, Ian Beattie, Richard Ashton, Corrado Invernizzi, Roger Griffiths, David Harewood, Joe Dixon, Jemma Redgrave, Stephen North, Andrew Tiernan, Claire Skinner, Bill Bailey, Rob Jarvis, Peter de Jersey, Dougray Scott

Well, the question is: ARE there sources out there who would provide QOs which are otherwise missing? Willz asked for The Stage during the Borusa-Gate issue!

Been in hospice for four months, dies within 24 hours of Drol posting about them. They were probably surfing the DL on their phone, saw that post and thought "Oh shit, forgot to die".

Pam Ayres is on Countdown this week. Looks pretty much like a pensioner version of Pam Ayres tbh, still her usual chatty self.

An excellent peak into my brain at the moment! I'd axed too many people so Buzz got a reprieve, then forgot to take himself off the Drop list. That's my excuse anyway.

Oh, very well. KEEP 1. Jimmy Carter 2. Dick van Dyke 3. Pete Murray 4. Alan Greenspan (very boring but they aren't going to drop him) 5. Francis (too frequently unwell and frail to drop imo) 6. Cleo Laine 7. Sandy Gall 8. Noam Chomsky 9. Robert Wagner (COPD) 10. Mel Brooks 11. Dennis Skinner 12. Nigel Starmer Smith 13. James Whale (with him and Nolan, I agree with people who find them boring and also with Clorox) 14. Stanley Baxter 15. Joanne Woodward 16. Patricia Routledge (would have said drop till I saw her clear signs of decline last month) 17. Clint Eastwood 18. Gene Hackman 19. Jean Marie le Pen 20. Linda Nolan 21. Norman Tebbit 22. Willie Nelson 23. Esther Rantzen 24. Roberta Flack 25. Buzz Aldrin (should be a DL mainstay now even in a disaster.) RETURN 1. David Attenborough (A-list and really really old) 2. Douglas Hurd (big name politician who has been out of the public eye due to ill health for over a decade) 3. Liza Minelli (clearly declining health) 4. Ozzy Osbourne (76 at Christmas if he makes it and slowing down rapidly now) 5. Yoko Ono (frail health, Lewy Body for a decade in 2025) NEW 1. June Spencer (she's really old and famous enough for the list. That's it.) 2. Eva Marie Saint (A list actress) 3. Vera Miles 4. Rupert Murdoch (seems to be slowing down) 5. William Shatner ("I totally beat Stage IV cancer!" "Awesome, Bill, now just pop onto our list.") 6. Joel Grey (said to be in frail health) 7. Jean Marsh (house bound due to stroke/health issues) 8. Alan Bennett (very frail on BBC earlier this year, had the circling the drain look) 9. Julie Goodyear (notably ill) 10. Michael York (has been very ill for over a decade and on prognosis ought to be dead by now. Also, couldn't resist the 3 Cabaret stars together.) 11. Geoff Boycott (cancer, frequent setbacks) 12. Sophie Kinsella (terminal cancer, annoying books, more famous than Genesis Porridge and more sick, too.) 13. Jose Mujica (old, frail and ill) 14. David Irving (old, frail, ill and shit) 15. Charles III (he's the bloody King and he's got cancer) 16. John Prescott (very quiet after massive stroke, recently fully retired, and Labour folk who often blab are keeping his privacy) 17. Joan Plowright (Maggie Smith was concerned about how ill she was...5 years ago.) 18. Frankie Valli (notably frail and frequently unwell) 19. James Watson (the DNA guy this forum tell me is very frail and old) 20. Lady Antonia Fraser (old, frail and sick) DROP 1. Ethel Kennedy 2. Vanessa Redgrave 3. Desmond Morris 4. Hans Blix 5. Julie Walters 6. Tom Brokaw 7. Louis Farrakhan 8. Daniel Barenboim 9. Dick Cheney 10. Prunella Scales 11. Robert Duvall 12. Denis Law 13. Joseph Fritzl 14. Brigitte Bardot 15. Raul Castro 16. Imelda Marcos 17. Ted Turner 18.. Sonny Rollins 19. Joe Bugner 20. Sly Stone 21. Tom Baker

In a normal year Tom would stay on the list as a forum favourite frail nonagenarian. But this year has been an abject disaster for the list so I'd expect most of those (see also Scales and Rollins and maybe even Woodward) to drop.

Sorry it's late. Here is the full masterlist for 2024. As usual, all typos my own, if you see a name twice, the one with the higher points tally is correct, and frankly, this crashed over 20 times this summer so it's just a basic "get the bloody thing on the forum" list without anything else. And back into retirement I go! Crowdsourced Deathlist 2024 - 1704 points – Jimmy Carter - 1333 points – Joanne Woodward - 1230 points – Glynis Johns - 1155 points – Esther Rantzen - 1051 points – Noam Chomsky - 951 points – Roberta Flack - 864 points – Shannen Doherty - 846 points – Linda Nolan, Frank Field - 816 points – Jonnie Irwin - 799 points – Eva Marie Saint - 763 points – James Whale - 703 points – June Spencer - 673 points – Jean Marie le Pen - 655 points – Dick Van Dyke - 651 points – David Attenborough, Nigel Starmer Smith - 611 points – Imelda Marcos - 598 points – Rob Burrow - 546 pints – Alan Greenspan - 522 points – David Graham - 520 points – Yoko Ono - 508 points – Sonny Rollins - 500 points – Mel Brooks - 499 points – Franz Beckenbauer - 494 points – Bruce Willis - 490 points – Steve McMichael - 485 points – Toby Keith - 480 points – Pope Francis - 479 points – Dennis Skinner - 475 points – Stanley Baxter - 472 points – Norman Tebbit - 464 points – Ethel Kennedy - 452 points – Bob Newhart - 431 points – Francoise Hardy - 428 points – Violeta Chamorro - 422 points – William Russell - 385 points – Cleo Laine - 371 points – Patrick Murray - 361 points – Vanessa Redgrave - 355 points – Douglas Hurd - 354 points – Vera Miles - 353 points – Isabel Peron - 351 points – James Watson (was DQ’d) - 344 points – Jim Lovell - 336 points – Denis Law - 327 points – Patricia Routledge - 311 points – Tom Baker - 310 points – Michael Tilson Thomas - 305 points – James Earl Jones (was DQ’d) - 304 points – Julie Goodyear - 298 points – Duke of Kent (was DQ’d) - 296 points – Tom Lehrer --- - 295 points – Sandy Gall - 292 points – Brigitte Bardot - 276 points – Michael Caine - 254 points – Rupert Murdoch - 241 points – Ruth Buzzi - 238 points – Prunella Scales - 230 points – Albert II - 220 points – Buzz Aldrin - 207 points – Mahathir Mohamad - 206 points – Joan Plowright - 197 points – Pete Murray - 196 points – Gene Hackman - 195 points – Liza Minelli - 180 points – Gudrun Ure - 176 points – Daniel Barenboim - 174 points – Raul Castro - 172 points – Ted Turner - 170 points – Alice Munro, Phylida Law - 169 points – June Lockhart - 161 points – Lynne Reid Banks, Sophia Loren - 159 points – Katherine Jackson, Ray Anthony - 157 points – Linda Ronstadt - 152 points – Mario Zagallo - 150 points – Derek Draper, Iris Apfel - 149 points – Ozzy Osbourne, Clint Eastwood - 146 points – Bernadette Chirac - 138 points – Larissa Latynina - 135 points – Dr Ruth - 132 points – Mitch McConnell - 129 points – Philippe de Gaulle - 127 points – Eugenia Cooney - 125 points – Amanda Bynes - 119 points – James Carter Cathcart, Maggie Smith, Janis Paige - 118 points – Simon Cowell, Norman Jewison - 115 points – Marianne Faithful, Dikembe Mutombo - 114 points – Carlos Bilardo - 113 points - Lech Walesa - 111 points – Ysanne Churchman - 109 points – Eileen Derbyshire, Sam Neill, Robert Wagner - 108 points – Abdullah the Butcher - 107 points – Desmond Morris - 104 points – Robert Kuok - 102 points – Seiji Ozawa - 101 points – Lee Grant - 100 points – Jean Marsh - 99 points – Jeannette Lee - 98 points – Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - 97 points – Jose Mujica, Duchess of Kent - 96 points – Zhu Rongii, George Lazenby, Manmohan Singh - 95 points – Nana Mouskouri, Roy Hattersley - 94 points – Mahmoud Abbas - 93 points – Willie Nelson - 92 points – Leontyne Price, Cesar Luis Menotti - 91 points – Ugo Mifsud Bonnici - 90 points – Phil Collins - 89 points – Alberto Fujimori, Paul Hogan, Valerie Perrine - 88 points – Alan Bergman - 87 points – Jack Hanna, Jane Rossington - 86 points – Dick Cheney, Caren Marsh Doll - 83 points – Estelle Parsons, Ron Jeremy - 81 points – Alain Delon - 80 points – Indarjit Singh - 78 points – Jiri Ono, George Soros - 77 points – Alejandro Jodorowsky - 76 points – Christina Crawford - 75 points – Song Ping, Valdas Adamkus, Sidney Cooke, Joni Mitchell - 74 points - Ratna - 73 points – Chris Rea - 72 points – Roger Corman, Frank Caprio - 71 points – Mina, John Prescott, Joyce Randolph, Larry Pressler, Dick Button - 70 points – Gene Shalit, Amartya Sen, Salman - 69 points – Paolo Conte, Tom Stafford - 68 points – Renee Taylor - 67 points – Dario G, Edna O’Brien - 66 points – Princess Alexandra - 65 points – Kenneth Cope, Fernando Montengro, Tom Brokaw - 64 points – Petula Clark, Norma Major - 63 points – Dolph Lundgren, Tenryu, Gena Rowlands - 62 points – John Ashton, Virginia Halas McCaskey, Judi Dench - 61 points – Theo Burrell, Timothy West - 60 points – Leslie Caron - 59 points – Joseph Estrada - 58 points – Richard Wilson, Edie McClurg - 57 points – Ian McMillan, Kenneth Baker, Fauja Singh, Clint Hill, Josip Manolic - 55 points – Dalai Lama, Dick McTaggart - 54 points – Roberto Duran, Kris Kristofferson, Claudia Cardinale - 53 points – Jesse Jackson, Richard M Sherman, John Astin, Kim Novak, Harald V - 52 points – Rita Moreno - 51 points – Zubin Mehta, Andy Taylor, Grace Slick, Johnny Gilbert, Jose Sarney - 50 points – Bas de Gaay Fortman, Lisa Lu, Janey Godley, Bobby Vinton, Wilson Fittipaldi Jr - 49 points – Juan Mora, Alex Delvecchio, Johnny Mathis, Adriano Celetano, Edouard Balladur - 48 points – Peter Proctor, Gwyneth Jones, Maria Branyas, Zhang Lixiong, Ken Waters - 47 points – Orlando Brown, Edie Ceccareli, Nino Benevenuti, Lloyd Geering, Marlyne Barrett, Charly Garcia, Walter Bingham, Rosie Gaines - 46 points – Line Renaud, Rebecca Pan, Ethel Caterham, Charles Burrell, Lee Adams, Maryse Conde, Bob Cousy - 45 points – Terry Medwin, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Sirikit, Shecky Greene, Milan Kucan, Alex Ferguson, Christoph Daum, Earl Holliman - 44 points – Michael Polnareff, Cissy Houston, June Squibb, Pam St Clement, George J Mitchell - 43 points – Timothy Dudley Smith, Yoshiro Nakamatsu, Cheef Keef, Roy Chubby Brown - 42 points – Lucille Soong, VS Achuthananadan, George Eastham, William H Webster - 41 points – Prince Edward, Marla Gibbs, Ray Lawler, Clarence Thomas, Ann Blyth, Stacy Stover - 40 points – Joe Bugner, Yayoi Kusama, Francoise Fabian, Steve Wochy, Robert Solow, Jan Svankmaier - 39 points – Chubby Checker, Ismael Laguna, Vic Seixas, Noddy Holder, Gavin Robertson, Kim Weston, Eileen Atkins, Jean Charles Tacchella, Richard Franklin (DNS), Chuwit Kamolvisit, Brian Barczyk, Sister Jean, Tippi Hedren - 38 points – Yang Chen-ning, Rachel Robinson, Robert Duvall - 37 points – George Carey, Suge Knight, Rosemary Harris - 36 points – Robert Redford, Alexander Ristic, Paul Biya, Harriet Andersson - 35 points – Chi Chi Rodriguez, Scotty Bowman, Mika Immonen, Lou Donaldson, John Cruikshank, Yuriko, James Tolkan - 34 points – Lindsay Buckingham, Ken Rosewall, Vivian Pickles, Art Shallock, Dave Goda, Bajrakkityhabha, Sir Patrick Duffy, Peter Marshall, Susan Sullivan, Jose Marie Marin - 33 points – Nannette Newman, Julie Andrews, Roland Dumas, Hans Blix, William Gaunt, Saalumarada Thimmakka, Juan Ponce Enrile, Judy Parfitt, Vigdis Finbogadottir - 32 points – Peter Ackroyd, Margaret Stuart Barry, Tim Curry - 31 points – James Clayton Flowers, Louis Farrakhan, Kris Kristofferson, David Hope, Renaud, Charlie Bird, Ron Ely, Young Chop, Paul Auster, Dave Meyers - 30 points – Jeff Hardy, Tsai Chin, Whang od-Oggay, Agnes Keleti, Julie Walters, Mamie van Doren, Jess Conrad, Valentino, Black Bart - 29 points – Frank J Guarini, Akihito, Lou Carnesca, Dick Vitale, Zvi Zamir, Rolf Schimpf, Queen Paola, Jean-Pierre Laud - 28 points – Hal Linden, Nicholas Brendon, Brian Murphy, Robert Ito, Willie Mays, Marilyn Horne, John Kander, Frank Gehry, Wanda Jackson - 27 points – Ma Shitu, Charles Strouse, Muazzes Cig, Margrethe II, Justaminx, Willie Stevenson, Bill Wyman, Bill Hayes, Dump Matsumoto - 26 points – Edgar Morin, David Jason, Fiona Apple, Ray Reardon, James Ivory, Michael Flatley, John Hemingway, Peter Angelos - 25 points – Shin Joohng-hyun, Roy Clarke, Anouk Aimee, Kat Bjelland, Giorgio Forattini, Shirley Jones, Janet Baker, Dickie Bird, Marv Levy - 24 points – Linda Perhacs, Chris Evert, Khamtai Siphandon, Shdridrath Ramphal, Ski Mask the Slumo God, Thomas Schafernaker, Frankie Valli, Russell M Nelson, Derek Jacobi, Maria Menounos, Sid Krofft - 23 points – Silvia Pinal, Foolio, Riaf Dizdarevcic, Arnold Yarrow - 22 points – Anna Ofelia Mirquia, Michael York, Lynn Hamilton, Keith Richrds, Abdoulaye Wade - 21 points – Martia Camacho Quiros, Pierre Richard, Michael Schumacher, Jane Fonda - 20 points – Caterina Valente, Ron Atkinson, Iris Apatow, Hans Hermann, Humpy Wheeler - 19 points – Tinto Brass, Bridgette Wilson, Rudolph Marcus, Micheline Presle, Julio Duarte Lange, Van Morrison, Terry Paine - 18 points – Masahiro Shinoda, Dario Argento, Michael Aspel, Bruce Cockburn, Yury Solomin, Tomiichi Murayama, William R Lucas, Ricky Knight, Miriam Margoyles, Eric Idle, Rachid Mekhloufi, Michael J Fox - 17 points – John Gurdon, Dominique Fernandez, Bai Ling, Ronnie Atkins, Dries van Agt, Rachel Ames, Asha Boshle, Charley Garcia, Barry Corbin, Margaret Drabble, Olga Fikotova, Long Dong Silver, Michael Heseltine - 16 points – Joe Don Baker, Chevy Chase, Alexander Mitta, Bill Dundee, Marion Ross, Cale Yarborough, Kim Yong-Nam, Alan Garner, John Wakeham - 15 points – Janko Nilovic, Chi Haoitian, Ray Marshall, Stuart Hall, Raoni, Polly perkins, Ram Jam Holder, Berry Gordy - 14 points – Than Shwe, Edgar Eger, Dominic Chianese, George Johnny Johnson, Vince McMahon, Ivan Martnushkin, Shirley Bassey, Jordi Pujol, Lady Antonia Fraser, Joe Biden, Michael Drucker, Mina Gregori, Sian Philips, Martia Chamacho Quiros, Clio Maria Bittoni - 13 points – Tin Oo, Kathy Brown, Carl Erskine, Sly Stone, Helen Merrill, Val Kilmer, Amadou Mahatar mbow , Sonia Gandhi, Lois Smith, David Steele, Mark Steel, Leonid Roshal, John Amos, Christiane F - 12 points – Jamila Massey, Elizabeth Kirkby, Thanin Kraivichien, Larry Niven, Ellen Burstyn, Celine Dion, William Daniels, Frank Bowling, Amanda Lear - 11 points – David Musugari, Rhod Gilbert, Shirley Eaton, Hossein Wahid Khorasani, Alan Oppenheimer, Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, Ion Illiescu, Barbara Barrie, John Cale, Jamshid bin Abdullah, Roy Anderson, Thelma Barlow, Constance Towers - 10 points – Bobby Shantz, Alexandre do Nascimento, Jerry Lawler, Emilio Fede, Madonna, Hu Jintao, JJ Barrie, Doris Johnson, Joel Grey - 9 points – Paul Vachon, Peter Cellier, Shintaro Tsuji, Lloyd Geering, Emile Dequenne, Sally Jesse Raphael, Frankie Avalon - 8 points – Gran Hamada, Philip Zambardo, Peter Bonerz, Juan Carlos I - 7 points – Elaine May, Bridget Riley, Kyoko Kagawa, Julie Newmar, Claire Maurier, Michiko, Anne Briggs, Hunter Biden, Jim Dale, Ringo Starr - 6 points – Tatum O’Neill, Paul Dooley, Nikolai Ryzhkov, Judy Martin, Julie Somers, Quincy Jones, Alexandra Pakhmutova, Clarence Frogman Henry, Wilfredo Gomez, Martha Johnson, Fabian Forte - 5 points – Dick Eklund, Giorgio Moroder, Su Pollard, Illuminaughtii, Penelope Lively, Carmen de Lavallae, Jerry Lawler, Stan Bowles - 4 points – Valerie Taylor, Paulo Mahuf, Princess Elizabeth di Toro, Silvio Santos, Jake Roberts, Alison Hammond, Jean Chretien, David Hockney, Hans Hermann, Mark Patton, Maude Apatow, Bill Clinton, Barbara Eden, Pat Boone - 3 points – Donald Trump Jr, Marcel Oohula, Thomas Noguchi, Scarlett Moffat, Andrea Gibson, Shridath Ramphal, Ornela Vanoni, Kate Keltie, Vladimir Putin, Angie Dickinson, Donald Sterling, Margaret Atwood, Mary Costa, James Baker - 2 points – Dick Pound, Jan Englert, Tina Louise, Scott Thorson, Devil Masami, Bernie Ecclestone, Edward Furlong ,Boris Johnson, Michael Epstein, Virgil, Vijayakanth, Salman Rushdie, Connie Francis, Louis Gossett Jr, Joan Collins - 1 point – Lil Pump, Art Schallock, Arek Hersh, Steve Lawrence, Neil Nixon, John McVie, Brian Blessed, Jordan Peterson, John Cleese, Juan Marichal, Joan Langsford, Alan Brazil, Rylan Clarke, Toni Basil

The link says I got 69 stations which is 11.9%. Not bad for someone who hasn't been in London this century. Though the need for exact names scuppers guessing!

My living family's intact despite several 2024 close calls (cross fingers) but in general this has been a crap year off forum here and I've been distracted from dead pools, apologies. My genuine sympathies for your loss.

You probably now know far too much about the 154th largest country on the planet.

Well actually I did research Mauritius for a DDP obit once and I came away with a deep respect for the country. Crems stance on it is deeply inaccurate and in many ways they actually put us to shame. Mauritius frequently ranks among the highest African countries on the UN civil rights list, ahead of several European countries (in 2017 a similar watchdog ranked it 17th strongest democracy on the planet). It is a parliamentary democracy based on Westminster but which has used the system to promote universal health care AND transport for the old and disabled as a basic right. It's also one of the richer African countries based on thirty years of diplomatic treaties and exports leading it to being currently one of the most peaceful countries on the planet. Under former DDP pick Anerood Jugnauth they went from a newly independent IMF backed country to a booming economy while pursuing progressive policies, converting to the green technology economy before most anyone else, and have zero tolerance for corruption. It's also a multi faith country with various freedoms including the right to be atheist even though that is a minority position. They have had diplomatic arrangements with China since 1972 when Richard Nixon began to push for that and 20 years before their full independence. They also have diplomatic relations with the EU, India, Russia, the UK and USA, on the principle that if everyone values you no one will invade. They've also been asking the West for these islands for decades but at no point have elected a nutter strongman or started a war like so many other places. Basically it's an amazing country and if people are worried about Chinese influence then the answer is stronger friendship and deals with one of the few non tinderboxes on a pretty important continent.

All this shagging talk will make young Gooseberry Crumble swoon.

Mauritius is a cool country and we should have been more diplomatic with them over this years ago. Too many shitheads out there to keep agro with a friendly country. My opinion.

I recognise it. My wife and father in law had an uncle they adored and it was mutual. It was also a rare bond in that side of the family where vendettas and grudges prevail. (I should point out that he lived a fair distance away and didn't cope well with modern technology so we usually contacted each other with visits and hadn't visited that summer as he was recovering from chemo and needed the rest.) He was suffering from cancer when he took a sudden illness and died in 2022. His wife was older and quite frail so another aunt told her she would let the rest of the family know. The widow contacted us by letter two months later, to say how sorry she was we'd missed the funeral. I then had to tell my father in law that the father figure in his life (his own dad ran out on the family to shack up with a teenager back in the sixties and refuses to have anything to do with his blood relations) had died. The aforementioned aunt had deliberately blocked us from knowing. And that's how one of the nicest, genuinely class acts I've met had neither of the two people in his family he was closest to at his funeral. Frankly, I will never forgive this.

He and Trump have detested each other for decades. Ventura is a believer in unions, universal health care and wealth redistribution towards the poor, and personally dislikes anti-vaxxers (even though he is usually pro-conspiracy theories!) and chicken hawks. He is also a good friend of Tim Walz. I watched a recent interview with him. His mind is sharp but he's looking a lot frailer than he used to, and his lung problems have been getting worse. There's a strong chance this is his last Presidential election to vote in.

In that case, Janey Godley, thanks!

Still one of the best threads on the forum and worth seeking out if bored.

In last years stat crunching (yes, I know, there's no way to make it sound un-nerdy) Burrell's prognosis seemed likely to take her into 2025 but not 2026, so if she does go before January 1st that'd be a deserved title winning hit imo. Unless of course the only 2 top 20 hits left are George Beattie and PJ Hammond (20 unique points for Pan Breed)!

It's on the to do list, this has been a busy year.

Via a mutual friend, Richardson Morgan (Web of Fear, Ark in Space but also Grange Hill and other BBC shows) has died.