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I swear Best Mate's sudden death towards the end of 2005 got more coverage than even George Best or Eddie Guerrero's premature deaths the same month. Folk loved that horse.

Genuine parliamentary heavyweight - none of her successors as Speaker are even close imo. You need to start jinxing the right people like Rolf, Cheney, Sidney Cooke,etc instead!

27 George Michael - Careless Whisper +4 27 Nena — 99 Red Balloons 25 Soft Cell – Tainted Love 24 Pet Shop Boys - It’s A Sin 24 Kraftwerk - The Model/Computer Love 20 Blondie – Atomic 13 Madonna – Into The Groove -6 07 Men at Work – Down Under  06 David Bowie – Ashes To Ashes

BBC doc has a recent interview with BAFTA winning female director Moira Armstrong. Looks well for 93. Sure we've mentioned her before, especially for directing Quiet as a Nun, but search says no. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moira_Armstrong

29 Nena — 99 red balloons 28 Kraftwerk – The Model / Computer Love 28 Blondie – Atomic 25 Madonna – Into The Groove 22 George Michael - Careless Whisper +4 20 Men at Work – Down Under 20 Pet Shop Boys – It’s a Sin  18 David Bowie – Ashes To Ashes 12 Soft Cell – Tainted Love -6 9 Madonna — Like a Prayer 6 The Specials - Ghost Town 

After years of effort to achieve it, has finally got Dilbert axed by going on another tirade, this one about black people. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64775250 Not so much cancel culture as "look at me look at me!" "oh fuck off you cunt people are trying to have a quiet Sunday morning" but your mileage may vary.

Well, Palin was visiting him. Terry wasn't very communicative by then. Willis is likely around 2018 on the Jones timetable. He'll be a good pick next year (as Terry only just saw 2020).

From the DDP website: 1885: In his novel Bel-Ami, the French novelist Guy de Maupassant describes a game known as “Death and the Forty Old Men”. The old men in question are the 40 members of the Académie Française, a committee formed of France’s wisest and most learned people. The game, popular in Parisian society at that time, involved guessing which of them would die next and who would replace him.

Obligatory link: familiar unknown (familiar-unknown.blogspot.com) Latest post on Jean Marsh, one of my all time favourites. Brilliant actress. Sadly in very poor health nowadays though. This forum may have its ups and downs over the years but I think we've always shown the proper respect to old actors and sports people who might fall off the radar elsewhere.

I knew they were coming in the next few weeks on the TOTP repeats, but it arrived sooner than I expected. Dire, dire song.

Sounds like the Carters, Joanne Woodward and friends are in the...

The 90s is my ballpark of knowing songs. After 2003-ish is when I get lost and just instinctively voted for Rihanna. The only Taylor Swift song I know didn't even get to number one, I'll be even more lost than I thought. Looking it up, the only number ones from the last decade I know without listening to them are Get Lucky, Blurred Lines (couldn't avoid it at the time), Wake Me Up (due to Rad and Joey), Wrecking Ball (Masked Singer), Somewhere Only We Know (assuming its a cover), Happy, Uptown Funk, Writing on the Wall (its a crap Bond theme), No Time to Die (ditto Bond), Someone You Loved (the Lewis Capaldi song), Blinding Lights (actually, The Weekend seems decent), We Dont Talk about Bruno (I am a dad), and old stuff like Kate Bush and Whamageddon obviously. Oh and Escapism because Clorox was all "this is amazing you need to listen to it now" and I did, and it was alright. Which is probably high praise from a stick in the mud. Which is more than I thought, but still about 1%. Anyhow, the 90s is where I'm more comfortable. I'll be downvoting Doop like it's on special offer.

Postly them weekly feels less like "here's a form guide for an old bastard not going to die anytime soon" (we can see it already) and more like promoting Le Pen, imo.

Unique DDP pick too, by a non-theme team! Sad news.

Hmm - an update up to 90 then. There's about 40 living possibles from 1934 alone still. Also, the Cmme picks have opened up a few other names.(If anyone else has done a Gerald Harper and changed their public DOB - fuck them, its a ball park, not an exact science...) 1919 - June Spencer (but imo she'd have been on the list by now) 1923 - Glynis Johns (but ditto) 1924 - Eva Marie Saint, William Russell 1925 - Davie Graham, June Lockhart, mayyybe Ysanne Churchman 1926 - Roger Corman, Norman Jewison, Gudrun Ure, Lee Grant (born around then), Glen Michael (based on Cmme's love of 70s TV stars) 1927 - maybe Estelle Parsons or William Daniels 1928 - Tom Lehrer, Hans Blix, James Watson, Peter Cellier, James Ivory, Dr Ruth 1929 - Patricia Routledge, Len Deighton, Winnie Ewing, Thelma Barlow, Stuart Hall, Peter Higgs, John Nettleton, Joan Plowright, Vera Miles, Berry Gordy, Frank Gehry, John Woodvine, Jerry Hardin, Gaston Glock 1930 - Tippi Hedren, Buzz Aldrin, Gene Hackman, John Astin, Clint Eastwood, Gena Rowlands, Bernie Ecclestone, Warren Buffett, James Baker, George Soros, Eileen Derbyshire, Clive Revill, Sandra Day O'Connor, Mary Quant 1931 - Gerald Harper, James Earl Jones, Don King, Rupert Murdoch, William Shatner, Kenneth Cope, Dan Rather, Ken Bates, Virginia McKenna, Claire Bloom, Roger Penrose, Leslie Caron, Rita Moreno 1932 - Piper Laurie, John Williams, Bill Roache, Petula Clark, Roy Hattersley, Quentin Blake, Bernard Ingham, Dabney Coleman, Ray Reardon, Joel Grey, Brian Murphy 1933 - Kim Novak, Duchess of Kent, Michael Caine, Sian Philips, Joan Collins, Joan Bakewell, Cormac McCarthy, Julie Newmar, Roman Polanski, David McCallum, Michael Dukakis, Michael Heseltine, Michael Aspel, Sheila Hancock, Quincy Jones, Derek Martin, Robert Blake, Biddy Baxter, Barbara Knox

Ron Gordon dead.

Kevork Malikyan has a somewhat active Twitter account (till Musk gets rid of the whole show of course), and geeks follow him because of a certain TV show where he was the victim of the Cybermen. Unluckily for him, that episode is one of the only ones from the serial which still exists, so we can all appreciate his OTT death scene to this day. (Yes, I know, he could have just walked out of that room. I thought that when I was eight years old too.)

Oh pissing Benny! 24/50 The Ex Pope Former Pope Benedict has died. Here is a list of all his achievements which made the world a better place... Right, then. With Cardinal Pell also dead days into 2023, I can only assume that Pope Francis prayed really, really, really hard over Christmas.

First up, thanks to Joey for running this for the years I was busy with another popular deadpool. Apparently its the 8th November already, so time to set in motion another Crowdsourced Deathlist. The 2021 version looks set to finish ahead of the official Deathlist (without the use of Roberta McCain). However while it started well, the 2021 list fell to sleep during the Summer months. Will the 2022 edition be able to top our current list? We will see, but for the time being let's go over the rules, shall we? THE RULES Rules 1. Please send a list of celebrities you wish to vote for to msc, during the time period of 8th November to the 31st December 2021. The list must have a minimum of 12 names on it, and a maximum of 50. Yes, this means we are open now, as I'll just forget to officially open it otherwise. For more evidence, note I intended to open this on the same day as the Deathrace thread... Please send them by either PM or the Shadow List thread, not by email, semaphore, Morse code, Deathlist live chat, animated corpses, text messages, or any other means of communication you can think of. And you may only submit via 1 of those two methods above, NOT BOTH METHODS! 2. Your 1st choice will gain 50 points, 2nd 49, etc etc to 50th which will gain 1 point. This is true even if you only send in 12 names, or 13 names, or 49 names. 3. When the deadline passes, all of the points that an individual celebrity gain will be added together, and the top fifty celebrities with the most points overall will go on the Utterly Unofficial Forum List. 4. Feel free to add substitutes at the bottom of the list, which will only be counted if one of your fifty die before January 1st 2022. If for example your number one pick is such a smart one they die before January 1st, then I will give 50 points to your 2nd pick, and so on until 1 point is given to the first substitute. 5. Do try to make the picks as "Deathlisty" as possible. More Jean Claude, less Miguel Van Damme, if you know what I mean. Someone likely to score an obit with one of the major English language news outlets. 6. The deadline for sending in entries is 31st December 2021 at 9 pm GMT. That's 4pm New York Time (31st December) and 8am (1st Jan) Melbourne time to help out non-Brits. This earlier dead line is so there's enough time to complete the list before the new year as well as enjoying some extra time off as well. I am keeping Joey's earlier cut off time for simplicity. 7. This is essentially a forum game without a winner. It does however put the long held notion by some that the combined minds of the forum know better than the Committee to the test. 8. Who picked whom will remain anonymous. Unless the person announces it of course. 9. The paranoid probably shouldn't send in their DDP unique hopefuls. Whilst I do not intend to steal them away, it would make no sense: if the person then showed up on the list, their chances of being unique would be very slim indeed! 9b. If you do wish to send your DDP unique hopefuls, I won't complain! 10. To keep to the Deathlist spirit, only the top 25 ranked celebrites from the current list of Crowdsourced Deathlist 2021 survivors will be used: Bob Dole, Jimmy Carter, Pope Benedict XVI, Leslie Philips, Tom Parker, Mikhail Gorbachev, James Whale, Tom Smith, Glynis Johns, Linda Nolan, Betty White, Henry Kissinger, Bob Barker, Yoko Ono, Joanne Woodward, Shannon Doherty, Clarissa Eden, Olivia Newton-John, Rosalyn Carter, David Gulpilil, Sidney Poitier, Jean Louis Trintignant, Harry Belafonte, George Alagiah, Prunella Scales, Barbara Walters, Monica Vitti, June Spencer, Angela Lansbury, Queen Elizabeth II, Bill Turnbull, Bob Newhart, Eva Marie Saint, Noam Chomsky, Willie Nelson, Imelda Marcos. As usual, this is something for me to worry about, not you. 10a) Our actual collated list will stick to the "25 from the previous year" rule. 10b) As a result, if our top fifty, after all votes have been counted, has more than twenty-five of the 2021 survivors (named for ease in Rule 10), then the lowest ranked excess survivors will be axed from the list in favour of The Fifty-First ranked celebrity and so on... 10c) Since we don't know if that'll be an issue until I actually do the counting, voters don't need to worry about limiting their personal lists to 25 survivors. It'd be nice if they did, but that's life. 11) Please pick living people. Folk do die before 1st January, but there were a few cases of people dead for a number of years chosen last time. Please do not pick animals, or ISIS prisoners, or kids, or any of the usual no go areas. 12) The Deathray Rule. If Deathers is reading this, he is more than welcome to find some way to get his usual 50 points for that bloody weatherman in! Anyhow, enjoy. Or not. "I'm one of the four living men to have appeared on every Crowdsourced list to date, you know!"

EXILED FROM LIFE 2/50 (What do you mean, it's the wrong guy?) 10th January 2022 When Constantine II was unable, due to health, to make Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral in September, the royal ambulance chasers knew something was amiss. And so he debuted on The Crowdsourced Deathlist, only to decide he didn’t want to stay a mere ten days into the year. Constantine was King of Greece from 1964 until 1973. When the Colonels Coup happened in 1967, Constantine was forced to accept their rule and rush off to exile. In his absence, the junta abolished the monarchy. When they were ousted, Constantine returned, only to find that a referendum backed the continued abolition of his job. To his credit, he publicly supported the new republic, and eventually he returned to Greece for good where he was viewed as a historical curiosity. He suffered from heart issues in later life, and a bout of covid last night didn’t help. He was eighty-two and the second hit from this years selection.

LA DOLCA MORTO 1/50 6th January 2023 Mega-popular football star Gianluca Vialli has died, aged only 58, after a lengthy battle with the dreaded pancreatic cancer. Regarded as a gentleman in the game even by his opponents, he continued to fund his charity for ALS support even as he lay on his own deathbed. Vialli launched his career at Cremonese, but he became internationally known for his time at Sampdoria, where he helped the team win their only Serie A title, and took them to the European Cup final. Again, Sampdoria. In a European Cup final. It was at I Blucerchiati that Vialli formed his partnership with Robert Mancini, first as a formidable team on the pitch, and later as the great bromance of Italian football, with the two friends inseparable for the next near 40 years. Vialli won the Cup Winners Cup with Sampdoria, before a move to Juventus, where he finally got his hands on the Champions League itself. He wound in England, playing for Chelsea and in 1998, the nouveau riche (even before Abramovich) club asked him to be a very rare English top flight player-manager. In those days, Chelsea had only won five trophies in a century. Gianluca Vialli saw that challenge, and proceeded to win five trophies in two years. This was 50% of their entire Cabinet before Russian money took over, for the record. Vialli was sacked, somewhat prematurely, in 2000, but he remained a Chelsea fan favourite for the rest of his life. Vialli slid into a role as an insightful TV pundit, while investing in interests and running his charity, but in 2019 he took a role in best friend Robert Mancini’s Italy coaching team, as Italy won their first European Championship since the 1960s. But even at that point, in summer 2021, he knew he was on borrowed time.

BARBARA WALTERS 1 MOST FASCINATING DEATHS 23/50 30th December 2022 Heavyweight American broadcaster Barbara Walters has died after a long period of ill health. Best known for her work on 20/20 and The View, Walter’s TV career stretched nearly 65 years. She interviewed everyone from Jiang Zemin (déjà vu), to Fidel Castro, to Sean Connery, in a famous interview where Connery doubled down on his views on domestic violence. She remained loyal to her ex, the McCarthy supporting AIDS denialist Roy Cohn, until his death from the disease he denied existed in 1986. She won a GLAAD award, among many others for her longevity in the business. Barbara Walters was the 23rd hit for the 2022 Crowdsourced Deathlist, breaking the record for most hits in one year. Thus concludes the 2022 Crowdsourced Deathlist. Well done everyone.

PELE ESCAPES TO VICTORY 22/50 29 December 2022 Widely regarded as the greatest footballer of all time by all bar Maradona and Robin Friday fans, Brazilian footballer Pele has died to give The Crowdsourced list a melancholic success. Pele burst on the scene as a fifteen year old boy playing for Santos in the Brazilian top flight. Before he was eighteen, he was the league top scorer, and over the course of eighteen years with the football giants, he scored a ludicrous 618 goals. In that time he won six league titles, and two Copa Liberatadores (the South American version of the European Cup). Eventually he retired, only to unretire and join the New York Cosmos. But I’m assuming you know him best for his international career. It’s that, or his advocacy for SPAM. Pele tormented the Welsh and the Swedes on his way to his first World Cup, still a teenager in 1958. In 1962, he made it two World Cup trophies from two World Cups, even though he was injured for the final. In 1966, he was infamously hacked out of the tournament, and his international career seemed done, until, in 1970, the Brazil junta decided to court favour with the Brazilian public, and entice Pele back into the squad. Their manager Saldanha was ordered to pick Pele, and told the dictator he wanted to pick their Cabinet! Mysteriously, Saldanha was soon out of a job, and Pele’s mate Mario Zagallo was in. Pele’s 1970 World Cup is what sporting myth is made of. They played fluid attacking Total Football, with an added degree of pragmatism born from four years previously. Brazil beat England in an oft-repeated game, the highlight remaining Gordon Banks expert save from Pele’s almost certain goal. Almost goals were his tournament trademark. Pele swung round the Uruguayan keeper, tried to shoot from an impossible angle, and the ball so nearly went into the net. Earlier, against the Czechs, Pele had attempted to lob the keeper from the halfway line with one of the heavy old school balls, and the TV cameras caught Czech keeper Viktor scrambling backwards in panic to try and clear, as the ball fell just inches short of the net. But don’t dwell on the goals that never happened. There was six scored in 1958, another one in 1962 and 1966 each, and four in 1970. This still comfortably has Pele in the top ten scorers in World Cup history, with only Klose, Ronaldo (the original one), Der Bomber Gerd Muller, Just Fontaine and some guy called Leo Messi having surpassed him. After football, there was Escape to Victory, the WW2 film. He hobnobbed with Queens and actors, won honorary knighthoods, shrugged off financial issues while at the same time proposing corruption laws in Brazilian politics, and was the face of countless charities. His lingering ill health and death saw world wide mourning, as shown during the Word Cup itself, but there are worse ways to go than, surrounded by your family, fully aware of best wishes being broadcast from all over the world. After all, when Muhammad Ali calls you the Greatest, you know you’re pretty damn good at what you do. Pele was also almost captured during a military coup in Nigeria in the 1970s, but somehow, the most famous person in the entire word was able to successfully disguise himself as an air pilot and escape the country! Pele was the 22nd hit for the 2022 Crowdsourced Deathlist. (Note – while he was never picked for TCD, the man who coined “The Pele Kick” in tribute to the footballer, commentator Don West, died within hours of Pele himself. A larger than life excitable man, he’ll be missed.)

Let's catch up, somewhat. ZEMIN CONGRESSES TO THE OTHER SIDE 21/50 30th November 2022 Former Chinese President Jiang Zemin has died to provide another Drol assist for the list. Zemin was the compromise candidate of the Chinese communist upper brass to become General Secretary in 1989, who wanted a friendlier headliner after the Tiananmen Square massacre. Under his tenure as President, China gained Hong Kong, and entered the World Trade Organisation. He also grew into the other roles of President, such as cracking down on the human rights of various minority groups. He stood down from the Presidency in 2003, but remained a powerful figure in Chinese politics until near the end. Zemin, who was 96, was the 21st hit for the 2022 Crowdsourced Deathlist.

Doesn't even need to be cancer. Kidney failure is a common one at that age, and comes to mind as something he could have treated if he wished. Pancreatic cancer is a bit too fatal. This news strikes me as Carter deciding at his age it's time to take something he could have fought a decade ago as the sign its time to go.