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Nichelle Nichols dead. Quick substitutions: M - Mahathir Mohammad N - Nigel Starmer-Smith S - Steve McMichael N was tricky to fill hence the need to move 3, sorry. Thank feck the X person didn't go!

Yeah @gcreptile caught out by a forum gremlin on the original post. Sad news anyhow.

Dead. Forum was blocking Facebook so here's her official Facebook via a Twitter fan.

A – George Alagiah B – Bob Barker C – Jimmy Carter D – Mike Davis E – Eric Lamaze F – Frank Field G – Gaston Glock H- Harry Greenway I – Antonio Inoki J – John Cannan K – Ted Kaczynski L – Lucille Randon M – Steve McMichael N – Nichelle Nichols O – Oliver Sherwood P – Leslie Philips Q – Mary Quant R – Rob Burrow S – Nigel Starmer-Smith T – Michael Tilson Thomas U – Gudrun Ure V – Vicky Phelan W – Don West X – Xi Xi Y – Justin Yerbury Z – Mario Zagallo

Did provide one of Jon Stewart's greatest lines: "Alexander Hamilton was shot in a duel about honour and the values of the nation. Harry Whittington...got mistaken for a duck."

Sums up why I'm skipping this one. If Gooseberry Crumble, who practically invented the modern obscure unique pick, is struggling!

Sure I picked Weakland in a pool 4 or 5 years ago as he had "not long to live".

Lovely Cribbins obit, @Death Impends, especially as since you're American you didn't get as much first hand Bernard as us Brits! Bernard Cribbins - Derby Dead Pool

Well my DDP qo nose is awful. Which is embarrassing for someone who set up the current DDP obits! But at least Windy points are due.

In general I agree about them not being big enough for the DL. On Perez, I hadn't heard of him till he got ill, but then I saw all the comic book fans I know posting about it. And, the wean started telling me about Perez's characters as apparently they are quite big with kids. Cyborg apparently. Anyhow I judged that's just something big that passed me by. Happens a lot! tbh I can't really think of any actual misses this year. A lot of "damn they'd have been a good DL name one day" folk but that's about it.

Go compare Dyall's presence in Secret Army to his spot in Terminus a few years later. iirc he had cancer. And Denis Carey from Timelash died a few months after too. There's probably lots of extras in the same boat too.

Moved from the Cribbins thread. Jean Conroy died before her episode of Dalek Invasion of Earth was shown, yes. She was hit by a car. The baby who subbed for Benton in The Time Minister died days after filming. People who appeared in Dr Who shortly before their deaths are more common - Kevin Lindsay for example. The shortest times between Dr Who appearance and death afaik are (and I've skipped the baby because too depressing): 1. Jean Conroy (minus 1 month) - killed by a car before her episode aired 2. Kevin Lindsay – 1 month - heart issues most of adult life, ill while filming his Sontaran roles 3. Jonathan Battersby – 1 month - cancer iirc, had minor roles in early Matt Smith episodes 4. Roger Delgado – 3 months - Killed in an infamous car crash 5. Peter Evans (3 Doctors, uncredited Time Lord) – 4 months 6. Anton Diffring (Silver Nemesis) – 5 months - Was frail while filming, which was shaped around him 7. Erik Chitty (Deadly Assassin) – 7 months 8. Beatrix Lehmann – 7 months - Dr Who her last role 9. Howard Attfield – 10 months - cancer 10. Henry Gilbert (Torbis, Curse of Peladon) – 11 months 11. Jack Bligh (Gaptooth, Smugglers) – 11 months - oldest actor in show at the time 12. Peter Cartwright (Power of Three) – 14 months 13. Lis Sladen – 15 months - pancreatic cancer, was still filming her spinoff series. 14. Neil FIngleton (Before the Flood) – 16 months - gigantism 15. Lionel Gadsden (extra, Aztecs) – 17 months 16. Rashid Karapiet (God Complex) – 18 months 17. Paul Whitsun-Jones (Mutants) – 20 months - sudden appendicitis 18. Simon Lack (Androids of Tara) – 20 months - heart 19. Hamilton Dyce (General Scobie, Spearhead from Space) – 24 months - took ill filming Unwin Wittering and Zigo 20. Norman Stanley (Master’s disguise, Terror of the Autons) – circa 2 years 21. Michael Peake (Tavius, Romans) – 2 years 2 months - heart attack aged 48 22. William Hartnell (3 Doctors) – 2 years 3 months 23. Valentine Dyall (Black Guardian) – 2 years 3 months - very frail, Black Guardian trilogy filmed around him so he could keep going 24. Rollo Gamble (Winstanley, Daemons) – 2 years 3 months 25. Jack Cunningham (jailer, Reign of Terror) – 2 years 4 months - alcoholic 26. Patrick Moore – 2 years 8 months - well known frail TV star achieved long held ambition of appearance in Dr Who 27. Derek Seaton (Deadly Assassin) - 2 years, 11 months - sudden brain haemorrhage 28. Byrd Wilkins (A Town Called Mercy) - 3 years 1 month - cancer 29. John Hurt – 3 years 2 months - pancreatic cancer 30. Clive Morton (Trenchard, Sea Devils) – 3 years 5 months - Sea Devils his last role, took ill afterwards.

I couldn't tbh. There's hundreds of suitable names. There was only one Bernard Cribbins.

About as sad as it's possible to be for a man in his 90s going. Farewell Mr Cribbins. You were fantastic.

If you have years like 2016 and 2020, where everything happens, you also have years like 2010 and 2022, where not much happens.

I mean, that's just life, really. Did anyone think David Cameron had brilliant amazing ideas? No, for years they thought he was that idiot who wanted to hug hoodies. Then the economy tanked so David Cameron looked like a shiny new toy to the voters, and the Tories have had 12+ years in government so far. (And no one cared that Cameron's ideas pre-economy tanking were "let's deregulate the banks and mortgages" which would have made 2008 much worse, because voters don't care about hindsight/foresight - just events.) Blair papered over a lot of cracks by being a charismatic bastard. His actual election manifesto is one of the fluffiest pamphlets you'll ever read. Lots of standing up for Britain, being fare to Britain, tough on crime tough on the causes of crime, and education education education. Bar a few Gordon Brown plans (minimum wage), not much substance. (This was brought up on TV a lot at the time.) But no one gave a shit because they were fucked off with the Tories by that point. Even if we go back to the 1970s, Callaghan outscored Thatcher on "who'd make the best Prime Minister?" polling but the public were still fed up with the government. (Worth noting that this is the last time a major party leading losing the head to head polling questions on their own qualities has won the general election - Foot, Kinnock, Kinnock, Major, Hague, Howard, Brown, Miliband, Corbyn and Corbyn were all second best in these and lost.) The last time we had anyone knowing what to expect from the opposition was 1974 when the public brought back Harold Wilson who they knew from his last term in office. Mostly life is oppositions looking gormless until the public get fed up with the government and vote them into power. At which point they suddenly have power to do stuff. I'd love an exciting unstoppable force offering transport/infrastructure investment for the 21st Century, a revamp of the energy network and free traction engines for all, but I know its never going to happen.

Sensational work, DI, well done!

LOTM for the DDP, picked last year by LFN!

Now that is sad news. What a wonderful actor. He could do Shakespeare, Amicus horror and Holocaust docudrama with equal skill. He kept so busy in fact, Willz, that he often took roles with one day before filming started at short notice when an emergency vacancy appeared, yet you'd never know he had hours to prepare for the role. So often a bad guy (though not in The Omen where I was first introduced to him) but by all accounts, a lovely man off screen, to colleagues, staff and fans. It was lovely to see him show up in Dr Who and Inside no 9 in the last few years.

I know he was a marmite figure, I know some thought him a zany comedy figure who said controversial things for attention, once upset Andrew Sachs, and who famously got involved in elections he didn't understand, but man, bit disapppointed Chomsky would hurt this reputation by teaming up with Russell Brand here...

.... jammy bastard!

I had a thought to put her maiden name through the Australian news records (non-paywalled) to see if anything came up. And I found this: So this backs up CricketArchive's paywalled bit on her maiden name, Murden. It also confirms that the 1929-32 womens footballer in the shortlived women's football league, and our cricketer are one and the same person. She was playing high school cricket in 1930, which probably confirms the 1911 one can't be the cricketer/football/general sports woman. And here's a newspaper correction provided by her mother (!) in January 1946 that Thelma was now married and Mrs McKenzie, not Miss Murden. George McKenzie married Thelma Norma Meryl McKenzie (our woman) in 1941 in Annandale, Sydney. (via the NSW family history search, which only has data from 50 years ago.) And the mother of Thelma Norma Meryl McKenzie born 1915 is Eva, the same woman who provides the correction in 1946. Hope any of this helps in any small way. The death bit drew a blank - the Sun (Oz version) would surely have mentioned it in their archives though.

They bloody do too, you know. Regular school run parent, some of the stuff you hear kids come out with to their parents, unprompted, about the government (talking 8-12 years old and watching YouTube/Newsround etc, not your pre-school/6 year olds, for the record, obviously) - it makes us lot look positively pro-Johnson by comparison! It's been a complete eyeopener, what they take in and develop views on. Yes, I got woken up on a rare lie in the other week. By the wean. Who'd just seen on the TV that Boris Johnson was leaving and wanted to tell their dad the "wonderful news".

Mark Nye, the politics guy?

This was Thelma McKenzie in the 1940s, where it references her husband George. The McKenzie mentioned before who died in 2018 was widow to a Ken McKenzie. (Yes, she could have married twice, but an official obit like that would mention both.) And here's a reference to her daughter Lesley being born in 1948. I mention this aloud because frankly we have all the details you'd need to solve this case if it were a UK one! Ulitzer, how's the Australian records on Ancestry? They were bloody shit a decade ago when I last looked them up! (See also the Canadian ones.) The two Thelma McKenzies are two different people. And both are (almost certainly) dead now.