Bibliogryphon

@En Passant I did try and think about the relative levels of fame. At the top you have Prince Philip which I don't think anyone would dispute and I put Kirk Douglas below him because he was a global superstar actor. World leaders scored high and film stars but I tried to rank them in their levels of iconography. Whilst we spend more time discussing Olivia de Havilland I think Doris Day would be more recognisable in the public. Struggled with people like Tina Turner and Vera Lynne trying to think outside the paraochial UK centric box. How famous is Vera outside of the UK? The US stars that have no traction over here I tried to place higher than the equivalent UK TV stars because of your point about global populations but someone like Honor Blackman was Pussy Galore. I did tend to penalise people that I have only heard about because of the Deathlist. Please send me your own version by DM (to avoid clogging the thread with endless lists) and I will try and create and averaged out one.

Because I'm English.....

Following the discussion in the QEII thread about the relative fame of Deathlist picks I thought I would begin to look at this in a bit more depth. As I said the criteria that contributes to a persons inclusion is dependent on three things Age - this is a fact (unless you are Doris Day) and it is easy to rank them on this Fame - There is a fame threshold below which someone would not be considered Deathlist worthy but that is pretty low if you have; Illness/Lifestyle - This is the most important but it is also the most difficult because there are the Clive James approach. "Look guys I am dying,.........still dying.........honestly I could go any day now.........publishes book........wow I am still here........I'll be gone soon......" or there is the Lewis Collins approach. Nothing and then turns up dead one day or the halfway house ala Val Kilmer "there is nothing wrong with me" but appears in public looking awful and there is much speculation However I have tried to address the level of fame and ranked this years picks in fame order. I appreciate this is highly subjective but I have tried to consider worldwide fame and the media reaction to any of these deaths. 1 Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh 2 Kirk Douglas 3 Jimmy Carter 4 Tina Turner 5 Mikhail Gorbachev 6 Robert Mugabe 7 Doris Day 8 Olivia De Havilland 9 Sidney Poitier 10 Vera Lynn 11 Harry Belafonte 12 Dick van Dyke 13 Desmond Tutu 14 Emperor Akihito 15 Little Richard 16 Jacques Chirac 17 Hosni Mubarak 18 Pierre Cardin 19 Betty White 20 Ed Asner 21 Stirling Moss 22 Larry King 23 Nobby Stiles 24 Gordon Banks 25 Murray Walker 26 Clive James 27 Jimmy Greaves 28 Bob Hawke 29 Valery Giscard d'Estaing 30 Herman Wouk 31 Henry Kissinger 32 Bob Dole 33 Alan Greenspan 34 Javier Perez de Cuellar 35 Honor Blackman 36 Vanessa Redgrave 37 Prunella Scales 38 Ginger Baker 39 Loretta Lynn 40 Valerie Harper 41 June Brown 42 Shane MacGowan 43 Bob Barker 44 Barbara Walters 45 Cleo Laine 46 Jerry Stiller 47 Tony Britton 48 John McCririck 49 Leah Bracknell 50 Johnny Clegg If you want to disagree just DM me your fame rankings and I will combine them into a DL overall fame ranking and then I might try to plot age and fame against position on list to determine if there is a correlation.

This is not quite enough to remove Theresa May's working majority and on most issues these three will vote with the Government anyway. If there were another 5 or 6 then that would impact the ability to govern and push towards a General Election. I am cynically thinking this is an attempt to destroy Corbyn rather than form a genuine political movement.

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I have yet to score in any round of the cup I have played in. However as it is still an impasse with myself and @Master Tech I thought I would submit my round two team on the off chance.

Must admit I am a bit shocked by this. I can only assume Sajid Javid is polishing up his callous bastard credentials for the Tory party leadership race.

Eurostar to Brussels fòr the first time this year.

I will (technically) become a pensioner this year.

I would have had more respect for them if they had fully defected to the Lib Dems and said this was about Brexit but it isn't it is about Chuckie U's ego. He had his chance to be leader and bottled it.

I do not see what they are trying to acheive. Surely they have two aims 1. Stop Brexit 2. Remove the Tories from power. I hardly see how either of these will be furthered by their action. On the other side this will not save Theresa's bacon as they are not suddenly going to support her deal.

It will all end in tears

No this happened last time with Gerald Kaufman. The By-Election was called but cancelled when the GE was called. It would end the game though.

No we are all in the same boat. One one by-election since the General election nearly two years ago. If this parliament goes the distance we might have some more. You don't need to worry. You are a joint leader.

Paul Flynn is the first hit for this Parliament giving 9 players 30 points. Points for Bibliogryphon @Sean @msc @GraveDanger @Torva Messor @Sir Creep @Switch @manuel & @RoverAndOut No points for @Joey Russ @YoungWillz & @Deathray Longest gap between the deaths of MPs.

But when will she be in the beech?

As she gets older she will become a massively popular pick especially when she becomes a widow. If there is an algorithms for Deathlist candidates she would max out the fame portion. Age is on her side but ill health eludes her.

The Duke of Kent attended the wedding of Princess Eugenie without her.

Next Round 1920 Fanny Waterman /Arnold Yarrow 1921 Elizabeth Kelly/ Ray Lawler 1922 Betty White/Rex Richards 1923 Gloria Whelan/ Freeman Dyson 1924 Zizi Jeanmaire/Christopher Tolkien 1925 Ysanne Churchman/Pete Murray 1926 Gudrun Ure/Leonard Fenton 1927 Mary Higgins-Clark/Frank Windsor 1928 Estelle Harris/Tommy Docherty 1929 Patricia Routledge/Eric Carle

Lyndon LaRouche is a hit for @Squonk. Is NYT obit good enough?

The source that is being quoted is a message from his (20 years younger) wife.

Apparently there is a lot of coverage in the women's magazine of Judy Finnegan's 'brush with death' last Autumn after she began vomiting blood because she had taken too many SPAM to help with severe knee pain. Is she worth an outside bet?

Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

Radio 4 news last night started with the sombre tones and the words Prince Philip....... They are playing with us!

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