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No-one seems to have picked Sally Farmiloe in their teams but the scores need updating for Dora Bryan. Has The Dead Cow been around recently?

The video version of a Deathlist catalogue.

I'm genuinely quite disturbed by this worrying trend. Why are people assuming that the work of disgraced artists must be suppressed or destroyed? There's plenty of classic art, literature, music, films etc whose creators were dodgy people. By the same token, if say a builder gets done for some infamous crime, they don't go out and knock down all the houses he built, do they? No. Well then. Apparently there was a piece in the Sun the other day saying fans are hoping Kate Bush deletes Rolf's contributions from the forthcoming rereleases of these albums. They had some unattributed quotes from fans saying how disgusting it was. I hope that she doesn't bend to this pressure. No-one says that Eric Clapton shouldn't play Layla any more after Jim Gordon was convicted of murdering his own mother.

So War and Pestilence are pulling their weight but Famine and Death seemed to have kicked back this year - lazy bastards

All Hail to the Guardian who come up with the goods with an obit for Val Biro I claim my points and hopefully climb up the theme team league.

If Gertrude Weaver survives until the end of August all of the 10 oldest people ever will have been women.

Received National Medal of the Arts from Barack Obama Does this mean they think she might be on the way out or did Obama just want to give it to her before he has to go? Even though she was in a wheelchair for most of it, she still looked like she was in reasonably good health (all things considered). I think she has a couple more years left. The photo the BBC used made her look a little confused.

Michael Martin (b.1945) former speaker of the House of Commons is someone who does not have the appearance of one who will make old bones.

Received National Medal of the Arts from Barack Obama Does this mean they think she might be on the way out or did Obama just want to give it to her before he has to go?

Billy Mackenzie Isabella Blow L'Wren Scott Angela Scoular ............ OK two of those had me shrugging "who?" and the other two had more famous husbands. I don't think this invalidates my argument. But we all like a good list..... I think you'll find that they've all "featured on this site". Why would it matter if they had a more famous partner? I am shocked that you had heard of Stuart Adamson but not Billy Mackenzie. Really? I have just wiki'd him and unless this is a Scottish thing Big Country were much bigger than the Associates and he left before their only noteworthy hit. The point about having more famous husbands is that although they were famous in their own right if they had not had such famous husbands their death would have been less noticiable in the media and as nobody had picked L'Wren in the DDP it goes to show suicides are hard to predict. The list I would like to see is how many suicides have actually scored DDP points. Yes, but what you said was: "There are only a small number of celebrities who commit suicide maybe 1 a year who would feature on this site" - and that is what I responded to. Nothing to do with how famous they are in relation to anyone else, how predictable they might be, or whether they have been picked for the DDP. Or whether you personally have heard of them. There are loads of people I've never heard of who get mentioned on here. Doesn't mean they're not famous to those who follow their sport, watch their TV programme, buy their products or whatever. Oh, and The Associates had two hit singles (Club Country and Party Fears Two), both of which Billy Mackenzie sang on. I'm not aware that they ever had another lead singer? I stand corrected on Billy Mackenzie I misread his wiki article. I was thinking of Party Fears Two. I wasn't trying to have an argument but this whole thing developed from the comment about whether theoretical potential suicides should be good picks for general deathlisting. Looking at the list of unnatural deaths on the DDP website only 4 count as suicide and a couple of those were potential picks because of age &/or lifestyle. I am rapidly having to reassess my idea of famous as nobody seems willing to publish an obit for Val Biro.

Not sure that Sheldon Harnick, lyricist for Fiddler on the Roof, will be a good pick based on this BBC website piece but at 90 years old he must be worth a punt of someone's money.

http://www.derbydead...tats_facts.html Scroll down to the unnatural deaths section. I was impessed that someone got Kevin McGhee.

Am loving that bookcase. That is what they should look like. Good for him. Hope he makes it to 100 and I will gladly forego the DDP points. I do like the fitted cupboards at the ends - ideal for concealing literature than one might not wish to have on show Like copies of Peter Wright's book?

Apparently David C will create another 20 peers in the coming days but these are not likely to be at Death's door so shouldn't bother us just yet. I am wondering whether we need a House of Lords Thread (The End of the Peer Show). My fav member of the House of Lords is Baroness Benjamin - awesome.

Billy Mackenzie Isabella Blow L'Wren Scott Angela Scoular ............ OK two of those had me shrugging "who?" and the other two had more famous husbands. I don't think this invalidates my argument. But we all like a good list..... I think you'll find that they've all "featured on this site". Why would it matter if they had a more famous partner? I am shocked that you had heard of Stuart Adamson but not Billy Mackenzie. Really? I have just wiki'd him and unless this is a Scottish thing Big Country were much bigger than the Associates and he left before their only noteworthy hit. The point about having more famous husbands is that although they were famous in their own right if they had not had such famous husbands their death would have been less noticiable in the media and as nobody had picked L'Wren in the DDP it goes to show suicides are hard to predict. The list I would like to see is how many suicides have actually scored DDP points.

A late December date would send everyone scurrying for their reserves.

I read the spoiler so moderated what I was going to say. Assuming he wrote most of this and it did sound very personal this is a man who is aware of his own mortality and the importance of time with loved ones. Thanks for bringing this article to our attention. I won't be holding my breath for KD in 2014.

Am loving that bookcase. That is what they should look like. Good for him. Hope he makes it to 100 and I will gladly forego the DDP points.

Billy Mackenzie Isabella Blow L'Wren Scott Angela Scoular ............ OK two of those had me shrugging "who?" and the other two had more famous husbands. I don't think this invalidates my argument. But we all like a good list.....

Yeah. You're right. Falsely inventing some non-existent "suicide risk" for people seems to be a popular fucktard thing to do at the moment, someone did it in some other thread talkin' about some other non-"candidate" recently that I can't recall atm. There are only a small number of celebrities who commit suicide maybe 1 a year who would feature on this site. I am struggling to come up with more names than Kurt Cobain, Alexander McQueen, Mark Speight, Ian Curtis and Stuart Adamson. I am sure there are more but not that many so from a game playing point of view it would be better to focus on those with documented drug and alcohol problems rather than trying to spot the elusive suicide.

Because it's part of the BBC... I misunderstood the rules, I thought it had to be national BBC, seems a bit too easy to get an obit if local news counts. Surely there's an argument that local BBC shouldn't have any more weight than local council rag or chronicle/echoe/gazette? But national BBC only picks up a percentage of local BBC news. The headlines on the digibox, for example, which can be accessed nationally usually offer 4-5 local stories per region whilst their half hour(ish) local news show uses a lot more, as do the daily news bulletins on local stations. So are we saying this doesn't count for Val Biro? Stamp, curse, fret, sigh. Somebody might pick it up nationally now though.

All this thinking about the House of Lords made me realise it is fertile Deathlist ground and whilst I do not intend to recreate the whole membership here I thought I would throw a few names into the frey. Then you can make your DDP like an English seaside town by including a decrepid old peer. Since 2012 it has become possible for peers to formally renounce their membership of the house and their rights to speak but retain their titles. Four peers have currently exercised this option. Edwin Bramhall (b.1923) Justin Grenfell (b. 1935) 3rd Baron Grenfell John Habgood (b. 1927) Former Archbishop of York Jeremy Hutchinson (b 1915) Former husband of Peggy Ashcroft Should all be obit worthy.

American author Thomas Berger dies at 89

If they put all the convicted celebrities in the same prison would this look like and extended version of celebrity big brother?

I found it quite ironic with the House of Lords discussing assisted dying as I tend to think of the whole institution as a political hospice. Where the old go to die.