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Wendy Wasserstein's mother and source of inspiration Lola S. Wasserstein has died at age 89.

Vilma Espin Guillos has died and received a UK obit already - a unique pick for MPFC I believe. Meanwhile, neither Rudolf Arnheim nor Frank Scarrabelotti have received proper UK obits... or any UK obits for that matter.

Updated to reflect the death of Bernard Manning, which bumps Windsor the Troll up a couple places.

French Veteran Louis Lagaurnadie died all the way back in October 2006, but no one had noticed until now. Brings France total of verified veterans back down to four and the world totals to twenty-six.

I'm glad I've finally found someone who agrees with me that this movie is sh*t. Every time I criticize this movie, I get the "Well you didn't like it because you didn't get it" line. No, I got it. Stanley Kubrick dropped his pants, shat on a film reel and, because you couldn't interpret it easily, you thought it was a masterpiece. Not everything vague and pointless is a f*****g work of art. While I think that it's often important for a movie to have a message or a meaning, it's chief purpose is to entertain. If a book had a great message, but was written like sh*t, no one would defend it. If a film has a message of sorts, but doesn't entertain, people will attack you for being for being uncultured if it bores you to tears. The worst part is, Kubrick can make some damn good films for his era, like Spartacus, Dr. Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket. But most film majors are taught that everything he produces is gold. What are your thoughts on 2001: A Space Odyssey BHB?

The oldest former NHL player, Lorne Carr, has died.

I knew that he'd been in the hospital for the while, so I staked an RDP bet on him, but I thought he'd linger for a while ala Bulent Ecevit or Raymond Barre.

I think Woods is still around, I'll even get suckered in and by the 2007 interview. The easy MIA targets for this thread would be Afghan Mullah Omar or Tohir Yo'Idosh. Since pictures were rarely taken of these people, it's easy for them to vanish. Since they're in the middle of a country at war, it's probably equally as easy for them to die without anyone finding out right away.

Charles Lane. Graham, Messner and Melly are the most obvious choices, but I think the DL may be due for a centenarian hit.

Congrats to DL, as CR said, the type of hit the DL was made for! And I won't object to taking my first point on my new RDP either.

Eunice Kennedy is far exceeding expectations after a series of strokes. Apparently she's bounced back quite well after this round, but she's had so many, one wonders when the next one will come... each one weakens you more than the last.

Don Herbert, best known as T.V.'s "Mr. Wizard" has died, aged 89, of bone cancer. And while I can do it without post whoring, 40s and 50s film actress Mala Powers has died.

Australia's oldest man has died, aged 109, and so has Haiti's oldest claimant: Guillaume Sanon. And if you really want a stretch, the United States oldest licensed pilot has died at age 105.

Well on one hand, he's not available as a choice on the Ameri-centric RDP. On the other hand, Red Auerbach got an obit, so it's probably a 50-50, depending on how many other famous people die around the same time.

Witarina Harris, New Zealand's oldest film star, has died, aged 101.

How interesting... Maybe I will check via Polish wiki before I go for any obscure ex-sportsmen. Strange they would have it & not German Wiki, but seems a reliable date - they even have a birthplace for one.... Maybe we should start a new thread for this, but I've got one that's even older: Thoralf Strømstad. No Polish wikipedia on this one. Granted, he'd be among the world's oldest men if he were still alive, but it's not quite past the realm of impossibility... thought I'd imagine someone who's even slightly famous would apply for the title of one of the world's oldest if he had the chance.

Author Rudolf Arnheim, selected by two teams on the DDP, has died. Haven't seen an English obit, much less an acceptable one, but give it time.

British poet, critic and translator Michael Hamburger has died at age 83. Perhaps a miss for DDT's men with fine names?

Call me surprised then. Point taken, he's probably dead then. If you trust the Polish wikipedia (which, as my Polish friends and relatives have proven, is far more accurate than you might think) then he died on November 8, 1979.

Since this is the actual Deathlist Forum, I'll preface the following comments by saying that my forthcoming inquiries are not meant in a suggestive fashion, but rather as a byproduct of curiosity. Hopefully this warning shall be sufficient. Having said that, after finding out about old cricketer Horace Wass, I wondered if there was any other sport that might have an old timer still alive and undiscovered. Admittedly, it's been a slow couple of days. Anyhow, maybe someone with a little more background in the subject can tell me if centenarian candidate H G Tyrell Smith is still with us? A one time Isle of Man TT champion and frequent competitor, it would surprise me to here that he died without making any notice. I'm not interested in putting him on any list or anything, just plain old curiosity here.

So today I found out that a person whom I had a noted dispassion for was in a near-fatal car accident over the holidays. Although I can't think of much that I actually liked about her (but a lot that I dislike comes to mind), I still feel sad that she was in such a terrible accident. This is natural. She wasn't out molesting children, she wasn't out murdering puppies, she didn't even rob liquor stores. In my opinion, however, she was not a very good person, doing some things that I absolutely don't agree with to get her way, acting smugly and undercutting the nature and morals of student council. Though in my angrier moments, I had said that she deserved to be hit by a bus, in reality of course she'd done nothing so horrible that she'd deserve that, or what actually happened to her. I'm not going to go around telling everyone what a wonderful person she is, but I still feel sad. This reminded me of something that happened a year ago, however, that was much more of a quandary. The story basically goes like this. So there was this girl that I had met a few times who was driving drunk down the wrong side of the road and hit a truck. She was killed, but so were both the people in the oncoming truck, burned beyond recognition. There's no question that she killed two people. Yet because she died in the accident as well, everyone was talking about what a wonderful person she was. So I thought, what if the other two had died, but she had lived? She'd be hated, loathed, despised, for being so irresponsible that she cost two innocent young people their lives. So does death absolve us? We feel sorry for people who died, and rightly so, but where do we draw the line? We don't feel bad that Pinochet, Botha or Hitler are gone. We don't weep for suicide bombers; though we may be saddened by their circumstances, it's not something we can easily justify. Is it a legal definition? A suicide bomber intends to commit murder, a drunk driver has no intention to kill people, so it's only manslaughter. Is that the difference? One might argue, however, that the average drunk driver knows (at least before consuming) that driving drunk could easily lead to fatalities. Intent seems to be the key. If instead she had knifed two people and then had been hit by a truck, there'd be no sympathy. I'm not saying that people should go around telling people what a terrible person she was for driving drunk, but what about the families of the two people who died? How come their grief and upsetness are never covered? Would we have felt grief for the driver if she had killed two innocents and lived? Probably not. Yet her death seems to absolve her. Of course, I keep my mouth shut to avoid being insensitive, but a person who killed two innocent people does not sit in my good book.

Sorted. Once we get to the half way point, I'm going to do something with this list... maybe prune it, maybe organize it somehow... but in one way or another, make it more manageable so that the DL team at least has a reference point for our suggestions... maybe move the ones who are unlikely to get obits or who don't fit the DL criteria to one section and then organize the rest by reason for listing...

Sorry gents, there is exactly zero percent chance of this nobody making the 2008 list. Even his kids or grandkids probably won't even know when he goes. Remember, we're looking for famous people likely to die Hey hey hey, direct it elsewhere mister. I've never complained about this year's DL (well, at least not as a whole ) Besides, this is the off topic forum I thought? I wasn't even suggesting that we add him to DL. I thought we were allowed to discuss related topics on this dark side of the board. I'll make my suggestions that you will ignore in the proper thread thank you very much.

He/she's been (hopefully) banned for posting complete crap. I wonder if that has something to do with this strange message I received on Wikipedia? In any case, with a new video, it seems that only die hard fans of the "Castro is dying" theory in the U.S. are sticking to their guns.

I came across this fellow, Horace Wass, whom Cricket Info seems to think is still alive at the ripe old age of 103. I couldn't find notice of his death anywhere, or a mention on Deathlist, I wonder if anyone more into cricket knows if he's still around? Also, he even has a Wikipedia article.